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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:50 AM
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Did Moon try to bribe Bush through Moonie Times?
VERY curious transfers of funds.

Three received grants totaling $9,000.

The New York headquarters of Moon's Unification Church received $11,200.

Another of Moon's organizations, the American Family Coalition Inc., received a grant of $254,500.

Then came the grabber: a whopping $1 million to the Greater Houston Community Foundation.

Why would Moon's Washington Times Foundation give a million bucks to Houston?

Zilliox said he figured I'd have a better chance of finding out than he would.

Maybe he was right.

I decided to take the direct approach.

I called the Washington Times Foundation, but the number listed on its tax form was no longer working.


The Bush connection
I called the Washington Times and asked for the foundation. I reached the voice mail of a separate foundation, but my call was not returned.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/casey/3953506.html
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:53 AM
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1. BLM kick!
This one is right up your alley, BLM>
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 12:41 PM
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2. shameless kick
This is a great read about the blatant corruption of the right wing.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 12:42 PM
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3. I'll give you a little kick.. nt
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 12:48 PM
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4. Kicked and Recommended. what a lovely little SCANDAL! n/t
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 12:51 PM
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5. Kick for blm and because I absolutely
detest that snake, Moonie, and detest Little Boots even more.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 12:53 PM
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6. Moon is part of the bushmilhousegang - they are in cahoots
nt
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:52 PM
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7. You don't have to "try" to bribe Bush
it doesn't take much effort. They have a huge laundering scheme of PACs and fraudulent charities. You'll be getting no-bid contracts in no time.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:14 PM
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8. Moon is untouchable...by the press by anyone. Stories surface and
are ignored or ho hummed away. What IS that weird connection between Poppy and Moon? What favors were done? Poppy is an old New England WASP...and I've never gotten how a Korean Religious Cult figure could wield so much power in DC and yet most Americans never heard of him. It's said he owns most of the fishing fleets in the US...Alot is rumoured about what he does.
But, what gave him his power originally. :shrug:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:11 PM
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9. Because Moon has photos
I speculate.

-Hoot
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 02:02 PM
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13. yes...of little boys...n/t
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 02:13 PM
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14. Griffin Bell failed to do his job and then Reagan BOWED to Moon
Edited on Sat Jun-10-06 02:24 PM by Cell Whitman
He has been at this a long time as you know. IMO...Moon named his organization a "church" after his advance-man Bo Hi Pak came here in the 60s ten years before Moon and found that the best way to protect their manipulation of our government was to use the First Amendment protection of religion.

His main tool is getting famous people and politicians in particular to be seen with him or help his organization. Then it makes it impossible for them to criticize the Moon organization.

The sad thing is that Moon has taken his game to the planet. He knew he had us heading right and theocratic by the mid 90s. Now, more and more democrats are sending his planet gigging fronts proclamations. Corzine just sent his front a welcome note. I have tried calling and asking why they do that but get no answer because mixed in all this is the belief that Moon is just a nut. I've talked to people Dean's office, they are blind. Getting proclamations and photos is actually a huge part of the routine. Long story. Moon spends millions on his image has a flotilla of spinners and people buy that he is just another player with some bad things in his past. Many black ministers have been convinced he has been persecuted like MLK. I don't think MLK swindled billions targeting widows. The story has so many twists and turns you have to spend the time to learn it, most don't want to do that. One of those ministers helped Moon's organization get a meeting recently between a Moon front and Bill Clinton. Seriously. To my knowledge nothing became out of it but BC did it out of courtesy to the minister, I am sure. See, Moon uses other's credibility to open doors. People don't understand how that works and no one realizes the level, the size of Moon's efforts in that regard. He is a master at it.

...the Fraser committee did not have the authority to charge Moon with anything. They felt there were plenty of laws to deal with him and so they just made recommendations that every major government agency investigate Moon in a coordinated manner because Moon was assaulting so many institutions at the same time. Shit, Moon controls the New York Symphony it goes one and on...they wanted him to fall under FARA which would have meant his organization would have had to register as a foreign agent which it most certainly is - then they would have had to have reported where the money came from and what they were doing with it...

Fraser was released in October of 1978. Carter dropped the ball...Griffin Bell said some insane thing like "well, some people think Baptists are a cult." The fool didn't act ... then Reagan openly invited Moon to help the right. He welcomed Moon and he certainly didn't try to investigate him because he knew they needed someone like Moon and his billions if they were going to deceive the nation into falling for their right wing bullshit. Reagan tried to stop the tax case. It was NY prosecuters who kept it alive.

many people like Reagan fell for Moon's claim to be anti communist...in fact he believes democracy doesn't get the job done either.

excerpts from Robert B. Boettcher's -
Gifts of Deceit - Sun Myung Moon, Tongsun Park and the Korean Scandal. (1980)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0030445760/qid%3D978915705/102-8084025-1605754

The American system is ill-equipped to deal with Moon. He knows this and benefits from it. He can break some laws and use others for protection. By perverting freedom of religion, he can keep thousands in brainwashed captivity while he intimidates and manipulates the non-moon world. He hurls lawsuits at those who offend him, whether parents of cult members or The New York Times. He has Nobel laureates feeding his ego and prestige by attending his conferences. He has high-principled civil libertarians and churchmen rallying to his defense.

Moon also has held the Department of Justice cautiously at bay for years. In 1976, Undersecretary of State Habib had asked for an investigation of the Moonies under the Foreign Agents Registrations Act. Justice refused to even look, because the Moonies called themselves a church.

It was still hands off in 1977. On July 29, Assistant Attorney General Civiletti, in a letter to a Congressman, wrote, "It has been our experience that members of these religious sects are apparently competent, consenting adults." He decided to do nothing because to take brainwashing seriously "would seem to require finding that the members' religious beliefs were false." The United States government believed brainwashing was real enough in the Korean War. Apparently that was different because Communists were doing it to American soldiers. When Moon does it the name of God he gets away with it.

Attorney General Griffin Bell added confusion to his department’s caution. After the deaths in Guyana, he said, "I don't know what a cult is. I'm a Baptist. Maybe that makes me a member of a cult." Two months later, on February 2, 1979, he said he believed Patty Hearst had been brainwashed.

An open society must let totalitarians have their say. If the Nazis are allowed to march down the street, and the Communists can publish their Daily World, then Moon has the right to tell people God wants him to take over the world. Likewise, others are entitled to criticize what he says. Not so, says Moon.

Hundreds from his cult were shipped to Washington to protest Senator Dole's information meeting on the cult phenomenon. Outside the Senate Office Building, they waved signs proclaiming "Senator Dole, this is a witch hunt." Inside, Neil Salonen took the stand and told Senators and Congressman what the Moonies thought about the meeting.

"This very proceeding itself violates the spirit of the First Amendment and violates the rights of believers which the First Amendment was designed to protect. It will have a chilling effect on the free exercise of those beliefs."

George Swope, a Baptist minister, gave a different view of congressional inquiry into church activities:

"Members of the congress I tell you frankly, if you receive hundreds of accusing letters from parents of young adults who have joined the Baptist denomination, and if you receive hundreds of statements from young adults who have left the Baptists alleging mind control, the potential for suicide and murder, illegal immigration and financial practices, and other destructive physical and psychological activities, I feel it would be your duty to establish a task force to investigate those allegations against my own denomination."


if you haven't ever read Boettcher's "Gift of Deceit" you can get it at Amazon for like 5 cents.

Also-- check out this Fraser excerpt..


http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/fraser-report/index.html
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 07:49 PM
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15. One main reason Why TV won't cover Moon.
They would have to admit they helped him.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/15/221015/62
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:26 PM
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10. this is an OLD, OLD, ever-repeating story....
17 articles on the subject of Moon corruption, including links to Bush

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon.html

Archive
Dark Side of Rev. Moon

Kerry Attacker Protected Rev. Moon
The producer of an anti-John Kerry video, which will be aired on stations across the United States before the Nov. 2 election, also attacked federal investigators who were cracking down on Rev. Sun Myung Moon's mysterious money flows in the 1980s. A book by Carlton Sherwood helped silence Moon's critics and enabled the South Korean theocrat to continue funneling hundreds of millions of dollars into the U.S. political process. October 15, 2004

Mysterious Republican Money
House Speaker Dennis Hastert implied, without evidence, that liberal funder George Soros funnels drug money into the U.S. political process. But Republican administrations have looked the other way when facing evidence that conservative benefactor Sun Myung Moon has ties to overseas drug lords and has engaged in a long-running conspiracy to launder money. September 7, 2004

The Bush-Kim-Moon Triangle of Money
At odds over North Korea, George W. Bush and South Korean President Kim Dae Jung have one thing in common: behind the scenes, both have benefited from Rev. Sun Myung Moon's largesse. March 10, 2001

Rev. Moon, the Bushes & Donald Rumsfeld
Defense Secretary-designate Donald Rumsfeld criticizes President Clinton for not blocking North Korea's missile program, but Rev. Sun Myung Moon -- a Bush family benefactor -- allegedly was giving the communist leaders hard currency they needed. By Robert Parry. January 3, 2001.

Rev. Moon, North Korea & the Bushes
New documents reveal that U.S. intelligence tracked secret payments from Rev. Sun Myung Moon to North Korean leaders, a development that could embarrass the Bush family. By Robert Parry. October 11, 2000

Rev. Moon’s Bank Scam
The right-wing theocrat ‘craters’ a bank. November 6, 1998

Sidebar: Moon has bank troubles in Uruguay
October 1, 1998

Rev. Moon’s Dark Shadow
Rev. Sun Myung Moon’s ex-daughter-in-law, Nansook Hong, has given first-person evidence of the Unification Church’s practice of violating U.S. currency laws. In a new book, she exposes Moon’s money-laundering and reveals the hypocrisy at the core of this right-wing powerhouse. October 1, 1998

Rev. Moon's Uruguayan Money-Laundry
Rev. Sun Myung Moon, a major right-wing benefactor, is facing allegations in Uruguay that his bank is a money-laundering center, accepting major deposits of smuggled cash. Moon's Washington Times was President Reagan's favorite paper. August 19, 1998

Rev. Moon & His 'Green Card'
Newly released federal documents reveal that Rev. Sun Myung Moon, a principal funder of the conservative movement, gained U.S. residency status 25 years ago, under President Nixon.

Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Buying the Right
Rev. Sun Myung Moon calls America "Satan's harvest" and vows to subjugate its people under a Korea-based theocracy. Normally, this anti-Americanism would not sit well. But Moon has spread around billions of dollars from mysterious sources to Washington conservatives. The money has helped key allies, such as Jerry Falwell and Oliver North. It's the real Asian money scandal -- and the Washington media is missing it. (8/11/97)

Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Legend & Lies
Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Washington Times is demanding that other media play up hearings on how Asians bought influence with Democrats. In its outraged stance, the Times calls itself "America's Newspaper." But it conceals its own role as a secret purveyor of Asian money and its control by the Korean-based Unification Church. Left off the masthead are its publisher, Dong Moon Joo, and its founder, Moon himself. (8/25/97)

Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Generation Next
In 1982, Rev. Sun Myung Moon went to jail for tax fraud. Yet, new testimony suggests that Moon's organization did not change its ways. Questionable practices continue, with church money supporting a decadent lifestyle for Moon's family and with bags of cash arriving from overseas for laundering through church-connected firms, such as the Manhattan Center. (9/8/97)

Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Drug Allies
Washington is obsessed with interpretations of arcane fund-raising laws. But a more serious question -- the political influence-buying of Rev. Sun Myung Moon -- remains unasked. The issue is particularly important because of Moon's free-spending ways and his past alliances with anti-communist crime figures connected to the Japanese yakuza of Ryoichi Sasakawa and the U.S. drug mob of Santo Trafficante Jr. (10/13/97)

Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Moon's Billions & Washington's Blind Eye
Newly released Justice Department files show how the Reagan-Bush administrations cited the Constitution to protect Rev. Sun Myung Moon from investigation as a foreign agent -- while using his organization to spy on American critics of Reagan policies. Moon apparently earned his political protection the old-fashioned way: he bought it with lots of money. (12/22/97)

One Mother's Tale: Rev. Moon & a College Freshman
Rev. Moon may devote much energy wooing power-brokers, but his theocratic movement continues to waylay unsuspecting young people -- and wreak havoc on their families. (7-28-97)

Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Hooking Bush
Despite his virulent anti-Americanism, Rev. Sun Myung Moon still relies on friends in Washington to help him expand his political-and-media power base. Moon's latest reach into South America had the helping hand of former U.S. President George Bush. But the Moon-Bush alliance dates back years and could reach into the future, as Bush lines up conservative backing for the expected White House bid of his eldest son. (7/28/97)
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 01:17 PM
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11. notice the HILARIOUS LINE IN THE ARTICLE??
Edited on Sat Jun-10-06 01:19 PM by Cell Whitman
And did $1 million come from the Washington Times Foundation?

"We're in an uncomfortable position," he said. "If a donor doesn't want to be identified we need to honor their privacy."

I asked him about another part of Zilliox's theory: that the donation was made to help persuade Bush's son, the current president, to grant Moon a pardon for a 1982 felony tax evasion conviction that had put him in prison for 13 months.

Moon had applied for a pardon from the elder president Bush, but withdrew the request.

"If that's why he gave the grant, he's throwing his money away," said McGrath.

"That's not the way the Bushes operate."



He added, "President Bush has been very grateful for the friendship shown to him by the Washington Times Foundation, and the Washington Times serves a vital role in Washington. But there can't be any connection to any kind of a pardon."


That just cracks me up. What's great is that this is sort of a pre-emptive strike. Bush 43 may pardon the old devil but people will know why if he does. :7

Larry Zilliox, who is quoted in the article, keeps the most accurate and up to date database of Moon fronts. You can find it here - don't be fooled by imitations!!

Moon fronts:
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/front_groups.htm

btw. The man who heads most of Moon's fronts was at Bush 41's 80th birthday in Houston. Moon gave 250 grand to the Bush Cheney inaugural also...

Moon has more to do with the direction of our nation than ANYONE! He said his job as Messiah was to "restore" Christianity, to bring the religious right to power in America and HE DID IT!!

Moon is conservatism and the Republican Party's savior, without his billions and fronts they do NOT control our government.

Think about that for minute.



http://www.cellwhitman.blogspot.com/

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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 01:32 PM
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12. Pleeeeeeeeease don't fall for the BS that the Washington Times
isn't major cog in Moon's intentions to manipulate our nation right and theocratic. Please.

Read this if you think that. It just scratches the surface, but be assured the WT is part of Moon's plans.

Moon
http://www.cellwhitman.blogspot.com/

The "independence" of the Washington Times.

http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/2004/10/independent-washington-times.html

also -- when do you think our nation will add 2 + 2 and see who it was that tipped the balance of our fragile democracy right and theocratic?

http://www.freedomofmind.com/stevehassan/presskit/articles/parry1.htm

By the mid-1980s, Moon’s Unification Church had carved out a niche as an acceptable part of the American right. In one speech to his followers, Moon boasted that “without knowing it, even President Reagan is being guided by Father(Moon).”

Yet, Moon also made clear that his longer-range goal was the destruction of the U.S. Constitution and America’s democratic form of government.

“History will make the position of Reverend Moon clear, and his enemies, the American population and government will bow down to him.” Moon said, speaking of himself in the third person. “That is Father’s tactic, the natural subjugation of the American government and population.”


There is a reason all this is happening to our nation and it is not the product of the free market of ideas nor any democratic process.


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