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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:08 AM
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Marriage Ban is against Sep of Church and State!
This rant is directed at those who think this Marriage Ban thing is okay -- not all of us cool people here at DU. :)

Heres the thing. The only reason and I mean the ONLY reason to oppose gay marriage is basically because you feel that being gay is somehow immoral. Is it immoral like killing or stealing? No, because there are victims in those cases. Homosexuality is about being attracted to and loving another human being. No harm, no foul. So, why would it be considered immoral? Because a book that some people believe is the word of their god supposedly sort of says it is. Im not going to debate that, since it has been done by others to a better degree than I could, but lets just accept that for a moment.

Okay, so what? Thats totally arbitrary. Its fine for those who believe, but there is no intrinsic reason why homosexuality should be seen as wrong. I know thats hard for some bigoted people or those who have simply never thought about it to get, but its true. So, this book that you personally choose to believe is the word of a god that you choose to believe in, as is your basic human right, tells you that something that two other consenting adults do is wrong. Therefore, the constitution of this nation consisting of a WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE, some of whom are gay, some of whom are not, some of whom believe in this book and this god and some of whom dont is supposed to be changed to fit in with YOUR BELIEFS.

That is legislating religion. That is against the Separation of Church and State. That is against the doctrine of the government not establishing religion.

Now, the fundies arent going to care. As Ive been telling people for a long time, they want a theocracy and they have no respect for our nation or our constitution. They want to do away with the Separation of Church and State and start legislating their own brand of morality, which seems to have nothing to do with actual morals and everything to do with dirty, dirty sex. Jesusland was a joke, but these people want to make it a reality. So, they dont care, but Im hoping that the independents and the more centrist conservatives can see that this is wrong.

And Ill tell you what is immoral: purposely making an entire group of people second class citizens and denying them a basic right that most of us have.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:15 AM
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1. It's also against the equal protection clause
which is why they need an AMENDMENT to the constitution to specifically restrict the rights of a group of citizens.

The whole thing is obscene.

It makes me want to start visiting fundie churches and slapping some sense into these cretins.

Oh, don't worry, I'm nonviolent and the pain meds will kick in soon...
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:34 AM
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6. It is obscene. nt
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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:18 AM
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2. Yes-This is the very reason the founders put up that wall!
My church, 2 blocks away from where that constitution was written, has Gay marriage. This amendment imposes the theology of the right and would interfere with our right to practice our religion.

The right must understand that this is just as wrong as if the government ordered them to marry gays at their churches.

Our country was founded on the principle that it is wrong to impose religious beliefs on others.
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:34 AM
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5. That is an excellent point.
They never seem to be able to see that, if they care about nothing else, some of the stuff they want enacted could be turned AGAINST them! I'm sure if they did succeed in getting the government to adopt some form of Christianity as law, there would be things about that form of Christianity that they wouldn't like or accept.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:19 AM
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3. Agreed. This definately goes against the Constitution.
Until it's changed...it is a downward spiral.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:22 AM
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4. kick!
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:52 AM
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7. I am going to K & R for clear thinking and ....
doing a good job of expressing my feelings.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:55 AM
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8. Are there any gay congregations out there that can pursue this
attack on their religious freedom? If their church declares gay marriage to be a sacrament, just as straight marriages are usually thought to be, can the government contravene the first amendment with a ban? It is, in effect, deciding that one religious viewpoint is more valid than another - which is a direct violation. This isn't a squishy 14th amendment, equal rights thing. Even if the theocrats disbelieve in the separation of church and state, they don't want to grant the government the right to decide what is valid theology and what is not (actually, a false statement -- they believe they will be the ones deciding, therefore they are all in favor of it, which should terrify the non-fundegelicals).
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:56 AM
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9. They need to understand: legal marriage is NOT religious marriage.
That line has been blurred too badly by those who want to make our government a fundamentalist Christian one. We need to completely separate the two once and for all. Then, we should allow ANY two consenting adults to become legally married, and let people believe whatever they want about religion on their own time.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:57 AM
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10. I always tell people that what the Bible says is irrelevant in US law
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:07 AM
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12. That is a clear way of stating it.
I'm going to start using that as my first reply (and I'll tip my hat to you when I do). :)
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:58 AM
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11. marriage is just a contract
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