Greg Palast must read on the stolen 2004 election

[debbierlus]

FUCKERS

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/06/06/con06219.html

And, make no mistake.

2006 is up for grabs.

Bush stands to be impeached and mass Republican crimes exposed.

They are going to be WORSE this year.

[MissWaverly]

1. isn't it ironic

they are trying to have the poor and the middle class pay for everything and go and fight
their wars for oil but they are staying awake at night trying to cheat them out of a right to vote.

[debbierlus]

2. What we are to them:

1. A means of profit

2. A means of labor

3. Obstacles

4. Fodder for war

We are NOT human beings to these madmen. We are the vehicle for profit. We are consumers. We are dollar signs.

They DETEST us.

[MissWaverly]

13. they are strip mining our country

it's not visible to the naked eye, it's like an electronic strip mining, they turn votes into
lies and our tax dollars into liquid assets that they can disburse at will.

[Dover]

3. Isn't it curious.....

I am all for uncovering the stolen election. In fact ALL of the stolen elections.
But I'm just curious why RFK Jr. (with Palast's assistance) hasn't gone after the even more blatant and provable election scam surrounding 2000/Gore. Why not Gore? Why Kerry? I mean besides the fact that Kennedys are good friends of Kerry.

My thinking is that Kerry is the fave among the DLC insiders and Gore is not their guy. They did not support him or the Blacks in Congress when they wanted to challenge that election. In fact if you remember that scene from Michael Moore's movie, they shamefully left the Black members of Congress to stand alone.

Why is this important? Well, if in fact they 'prove' beyond a shadow of a doubt that Kerry's election was stolen and the mainstream press follows suit, then there may be some Congressional move to support his stepping into office without running again. Or, more likely, they could use it as an excuse to back Kerry as their candidate again in the next election cycle. Perhaps a slim chance, but still a curious thing that now they are beginning to look into fraud around Kerry only.

[debbierlus]

4. It has already been PROVEN that Gore won

But, people actually believe that Bush beat Kerry. People believe 2000 was an aberration of strange events. Not a planned coup.

It is essential that the election fraud be exposed. I don't think it will happen in time for 2006. I am expecting 2006 to be the national wake up call.

[Dover]

7. Proven? In what court of law? In what media coverage?

Or are you referring to public opinion polls?

If it were "proven" in a public forum and/or in the courts that Gore's election was stolen, then we wouldn't be dealing with that question again regarding Kerry's election. People wouldn't assume Bush won.

[johnaries]

19. It was proven by recounts done by the Miami Herald.

Where have you been? :shrug:

edit to add link: http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=181

[LSparkle]

6. Palast DID do an expose of the 2000 election -- see "F9/11"

He was the major source for Michael Moore on that film. He broke the Katherine Harris/ChoicePoint story a LOOOOOONG time ago.

[Dover]

8. I KNOW Palast exposed it. But there was no RFK Jr. by his side then.

We'll see how it all plays out, but I'm guessing that now that a politico is involved, the media will begin to cover it and Kerry will eventually be vindicated.

Thankfully Palast and Michael Moore exposed the Gore election theft by placing it before the public (unlike the MSM). But when will the courts or MSM vindicate GORE?

[LSparkle]

10. Lots of the coverage of "Inconvenient Truth" mentions popular vote

win by Gore and that he came "this close" to being president. I think that's about as good as we're going to get from the MSM slugs (at least until we take back control of Congress and they come calling with hat in hand).

[donheld]

5. Until the theft is brought to light and dealt with

All elections from here on out are up for grabs too.

[mod mom]

9. His forthcoming book "Armed Madhouse" will be out on June 6th. I would

love to see him on Jon Stewart or the Colbert Report!

[LSparkle]

11. He's starting to do the media rounds now

Starting with leftwing (Pacifica, Air America); hopefully will expand to KO, TDS and Colbert soon.

[debbierlus]

12. I wonder when the MSM will be FORCED to cover this issue

Given that they have been altering the exit poll data to match the fixed outcome, I bet it would take a leaked video of Bush & Cheney getting a personal demonstration on how the machines are hacked....

The lie of American democracy.

Please.

[mod mom]

15. KO did not cover RFK Jr on Countdown either last nite or tonight. I doubt

if Palast will get much air time.

It will be up to us to keep this story alive. We neeed to demand that our elected leadership, besides the CBC cover this story. We have gotten this far but must keep our eyes on the prize: fair, transparent and verifiable elections that represent the will of the people!

[Peace Patriot]

14. It's funny, Palast says it's all being done with voter purges and

and suppression--mostly of black and other minority voters because they have very high rates of voting for Dems. But he says nothing about Bushite corporations controlling the tabulation of all of our votes, in the new NON-TRANSPARENT electronic voting systems, run on 'TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code, with virtually no audit/recount controls--a voting system deliberately designed by Tom Delay and Bob Ney (and Bilderberg 'Democrat' Christopher Dodd) for non-transparency and control by partisan rightwing corporations, who were given a $4 billion boondoggle to implement it.

With this system, they can easily switch/flip/disappear small percentages of votes, here and there, throughout the nation, or a state, and produce any outcome they want. One hacker, a couple of minutes--a few lines of self-erasing code--leaving no trace.

I puzzled over 2004, wondering why, with this untraceable fraud capability, they bothered to stir up anger with blatant, visible, illegal vote suppression in Ohio and other places. My deduction: the new electronic voting systems--probably the central tabulators--had to be pre-programmed to certain formulae/percentages and were not that easily changed on election day. Kerry's win was bigger than expected. They needed EXTRA effort to beat him--thus the Ohio and other suppression at the polling place. (This doesn't account for the pre-election voter purges, though--maybe that was technophobia; the old pols didn't trust the promises of the new techies.)

Now, today, we are seeing more and more challenges of these election theft machines--lawsuits, grass roots movements in many states, election officials rebelling against the corporations or getting pummeled with questions and trouble; many failures, much insecurity in the machines--really crapass machines--and a serious movement to throw them out. Lots and lots of people (50% in Calif) opting for Absentee Ballot voting--they don't trust the machines. Maybe THAT's why the fascists are concentrating so hard now on voter purge capabilities. Maybe they're way ahead of us--and knew all along that their election theft machines would be mothballed, so they'd better have other ways of stealing elections.

Anyway, the interaction between these two methods of fascist control--non-transparent, electronic voting systems, and purging voter rolls/overt vote suppression--needs to be analyzed and understood.

What this says to me is that the solution will not be easy. It will require complex, activist vigilance--by citizens and candidates--of many aspects of the voting system, over a long period of time, and many other reforms besides just dumping the election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor'--in order to have fair, transparent elections.

[rman]

17. What Palast talks about is backed up by hard evidence

As of yet there's no hard evidence of "switch/flip/disappear small percentages of votes".

Other articles by Palast make it clear he's no friend of big corporations.

[Kurovski]

Theresa lePore is "Not the brightest bulb in the vote-fix biz!"

:D "Vote-fix biz", that sounds so chummy.

[Kurovski]

16. Self-edit. Accidental double post

(As if to prove I'm not the brightest bulb either!)

Damn you poetic justice!

[snot]

18. KICKING

I read this last night, woke this morning worrying that we MUST DO MORE, and fast, to prevent another theft this year.