Someone tell Lou Dobbs that his horse is dead.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

Quit beating it, you pompous jack-ass.

[napi21]

1. Because I don't think it is dead. I don't like the Senate bill, and

I suspect I'm not alone!

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

2. I love 'ya Napi21, but....

Yawn.

[BlueStater]

3. You're not alone

I do not support illegal immigrants being here. At all.

[Daphne08]

4. No, you are not alone.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

5. Come on... Is this the most important thing in the world right now?

Those evil brown people taking our jobs?

(while we are killing tens of thousands in the ME and tousands of Americans are getting killed in an unjust war?)

[joemurphy]

8. And the idea that the "evil brown people"

are "destroying the middle class" is a joke. It's those at the bottom of the ladder whose jobs are being lost for one thing. Another is that since the 1970s the Republicans have masterminded the biggest redistribution of wealth in our nation's history through tax policy, curtailment of unions, elimination of social programs, and elimination of skilled manufacturing jobs. Blaming miserable Hispanics, tagging them as lawbreakers, and making a permanent underclass out of them is hardly an answer. It's scapegoating.

Lou is hardly qualified to be a middle-class champion. He makes millions bashing Mexicans. He typically says nothing about the Republican policies that have really detrimentally impacted the middle class.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

9. We very much agree...

It's not the immigrants that are causing the problems. it's our policies.

Let's fix the real problem: Capitalism

[MrTriumph]

15. Yeah and Mexico's economic system is NOT the problem, right?

x

[PublicWrath]

21. Another sleazy oil grab.

Pemex, the national oil company of Mexico, is one of the world's largest oil producers and has billions of barrels in untapped oil supplies. Pemex is under the sole proprietorship of the Mexican government and allows no foreign investment. So far, that is.

Certain parties would like to persuade the Mexican government to open Pemex. The new director of Pemex, Luis Ramirez-Corso, was interviewed for Bloomberg not long ago and spoke of a "window of opportunity" after the July 2nd Mexican election, (and before the new legislature is seated), to persuade the Mexican legislature to open Pemex to foreign development.

Now, what do you suppose bushco is trying to trade the Mexican government in return for getting US oil companies into Pemex?

[leesa]

31. Can we change the Mexican economic system? We CAN enforce OUR laws

[unlawflcombatnt]

39. Yes

And you're not convincing anyone with your nonsensical attempts to portray this as a racial issue. It's all about the number of illegals coming here, not their ethnicity, and you're completely aware of that. We couldn't tolerate 12 million illegal British immigrants any more than we can tolerate 12 million illegal Hispanic immigrants.

It IS the most important issue of the day, because the Senate wants to permanently open up the flood gates to an unlimited flow of foreign workers and suppress American wages to those of 3rd world countries. And if they get their treasonous amnesty plan through, we'll be permanently stuck with 12 million more people, 7 million of whom have already taken jobs from Americans, as well as the permanent wage suppression that will result.

Yes, this is THE most important issue of the day, because it is one we will not be able undo. At least we can impeach Bush. But we can't do anything once we've given amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants.

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[ny_liberal]

26. I'm with you. I don't like the Senate bill either. You are not alone

however, most people won't dare to speak up against the "DU group think"

[bigluckyfeet]

30. The Senate Bill Sucks

The Dems sold out the working people of America for Mexican votes.

[unlawflcombatnt]

60. Mexican votes & Corporate campaign contributions

You're right. Senate Dems sold out the American worker for Hispanic votes as well as Corporate and big business campaign contributions.

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[unlawflcombatnt]

32. You're not alone

I don't like the Senate bill either, and I hope the House kills it. The Senate has done nothing but craft a proposal to amnestisize as many illegal aliens as possible, to maintain the flood of cheap illegal labor that Corporate American so desperately yearns for.

The Senate is far more beholden to rich Corporate interests, and their voting records proves that. House members answer to smaller group of voters, and are less swayed by the rich donors of the Corporate "cheap labor lobby."

Dobbs is right on target again, standing up for middle America and the American worker.

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[Little Star]

57. U R not alone and I think

anyone who would support the slavery of 'any people' by US corporations is themselves racist. In reality this race baiting and name calling is done only when you can't defend your own argument. We are a nation of laws....why are some so against enforcing our laws. Yes, that enforcement should begin with the employers first. Why can't we put our energy into helping the people of mexico improve their own country. This horse poop about being racist just does not fly. If this problem were on the northern border, Lou and the rest of us, would still feel the same way even with the Canadian's mostly lily white skin! Give up the race baiting those of you who insist on the name calling.

[unlawflcombatnt]

61. It's their only argument

They don't want to give up the "race" card because it's their only argument. As soon as you defuse their "race" argument it turns to "xenophobe."

The problem the "race" and "xenophobe" screamers have is that there is no good argument in favor of open borders. We don't need any more workers. There are no jobs an American won't do if paid enough. Increasing the number of workers in this country unquestionable suppresses wages.

They simply have no real arguments in their favor. All they can do is rant and rave and call everyone a racist who disagrees with them.

And many of them are arguing because they actually employ illegal aliens themselves, and want to falsely claim that opposition to their own illegal activity is racist.

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[earthside]

6. Alive and Growing

I didn't see Lou today, but if you're saying the illegal immigration issue is a "dead horse" ... what are you smoking?

Personally, I think this is an emerging issue because of another underlying problem of tremendous proportions: over-population.

Imagine the standard of living in this country when the population is 400 million-plus. Imagine the strain on the infrastucture. You think healthcare is a problem now, wait until we increase our population by 25 percent! You think suburban sprawl and traffic is hard to deal with now ... !

Over-population is the root cause of Peak Oil - too many people burning fossil fuels ... it is therefore the root cause of global warming. Ecologically, this planet simply cannot sustain 7, 8, or 9 BILLION people; the U.S. probably cannot sustain 400 million-plus humans.

In the best interests of the environment here, we need to stop illegal immigration and try and help Mexico (the biggest contributor to the probelm) reduce its birthrate and create its own environmentally sustainable economy.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

7. So, you're saying that Dobbs spending his hour of prime time news

every fucking day telling us how evil the brown people are for wanting to dry wall your house is more important than what we are trying to do to the ME?

[Berserker]

23. YES I Fucking do

it's my family and my income they are fucking with. If you worked construction for living maybe you would see the problem instead of all the hate you are provoking. You are the one calling them brown people we don't what the hell do you call that racist bullshit? I call them ILLEGAL. Do you think you are immune to people calling your bluff because you have been here a long time?

[PublicWrath]

24. A couple of days ago I was looking for articles about the "real estate

bubble" and I was struck by the news that one of the areas already slowing down is new construction. Apparently sales are down and inventory is up for this year. The article mentioned the hundreds of thousands of jobs dependent on the new homes construction industry and I couldn't help but think of the number of immigrants who are going to be competing in a tighter job market. We haven't begun to feel the crippling economic effects from the bush years, I don't think this is the best time to take on new workers.

I don't think this is a racial issue, either. If millions of poor French Canadians were streaming across the border, I think people would see this very clearly as an economic drain on US workers.

[solinvictus]

28. Exactly..

it's easy to take the "you're a racist" stance if it illegal aliens aren't taking you're particular job or killing your neighborhood due to criminal behavior, streetcorner soliciting, and leaving human waste behind the shrubbery. Tom, if Mexico is more important than your own countrymen, then move there and start initiating political change within their borders.

[unlawflcombatnt]

35. Right On

It's the open-border maniacs that are spreading all the hate, calling everyone who disagrees with them a "racist" or a "xenophobe." Half the people on this board advocating amnesty for illegals are hiring them to do the jobs they're unwilling to pay Americans enough to do, or jobs they're too lazy to do themselves, like their own yard work.

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[NNN0LHI]

11. Mexico’s birth rate is about even with the United States

I can see you have been listening to and believing the BS from ignorant racists like Lou Dobbs.

Don


http://www.qctimes.net/articles/2006/04/05/news/nation_world/doc443363ec7665f174167089.txt

Mexican birthrate plummets
By The Arizona Republic | Comments(0)


MEXICO CITY — Swaddled in a pale green blanket, 3-day-old Luis Ernesto Gomez dozed away in his mother’s arms, unaware that his birth was part of the end of an era.

“My father came from a family of 11 children. I came from a family of four children,” said Luis’ mother, Maria Elena Cervantes. “Me, I’m having two. That’s it.”

Therein lies a major historic shift: Mexico, a predominantly Roman Catholic country where huge families were once the norm, is sending the stork packing after just two children.

It’s a development that could affect U.S. immigration as Mexico’s population growth slows to a crawl and the trend toward smaller families leads to more disposable income.

After decades of decline, the national fertility rate dropped to a milestone 2.1 children per woman last year, according to Mexico’s National Population Council. That puts Mexico’s rate about even with the United States (2.08), lower than most Latin American countries, and it means more couples are using birth control and straying from Catholic teachings.

Census experts refer to 2.1 children as the “natural replacement rate,” meaning Mexico is just barely replacing the generations who will die in coming years.

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. I wonder why.

I would think this would be a little more obvious to people. A significant segment of the population has the opportunity and recognize the value of having their children born in the US.

The Mexican birth rate is declining in an inverse proportion to the rate that immigrant birth rates are increasing in the US. Hmm... maybe we oughta look into that.

[PublicWrath]

49. Mexico's fertility rate is down, but its actual birth rate is still much

higher than the US birth rate. Fertility rates (such as Mexico's 2.1 quoted in the article) are derived from complex calculations involving data like the age structure of the female population, how many daughters they might have who will in turn have more babies, levels of poverty, etc. There are different types of fertility rates, they vary according to the factors considered by the researchers and can be valuable in terms of analyzing future growth or decline in a population. Birth rates are simply the number of births per thousand members of a given population.

Mexico is expected to have about 20 births per thousand in 2006.
The US will have a bit over 14 births per thousand in 2006.

[RB TexLa]

10. You honestly think he is going to put the Klan robe away?

But of course it's all done in "tha name of tha middle class"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Rich, white, capitalist is really concerned about the working class.

Sure he is.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

14. Why wouldn't he be?

He's not a CEO or a capitalist fat-cat anymore, although he may look like one. He doesn't run a corporation or a hedge fund. He writes columns and hosts a television show.

His populist schtick is actually more reality-based than that of someone like Bill O'Reilly.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. Excuuse me. Rich white racist is concerned about the working class.

Hitler was a populist defending the middle class also.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

48. So Lou Dobbs is Hitler now..

I'm guessing Wolf Blitzer is ... Stalin?

[unlawflcombatnt]

41. You Should Try Watching the Show before you post

He definitely is concerned about American workers. Apparently you've never watched his show, or you wouldn't make such an uninformed statement. You clearly don't let facts get in the way of making your argument, do you.

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[gizmo1979]

55. I'm with you I Like LOU!NT

[jerry611]

43. Anyone that favors illegal immigration is anti-worker

If you favor illegal immigration, that means you are in favor of a slave-worker class and you pro-corporate profits.

Because that is what's happening. These mega-corporations are saving more money then you can imagine by hiring illegal aliens to do jobs they refuse to pay fair wages for. Which is why Americans dont take those jobs.

We also cannot afford to take in another nation's poverty problems. We arn't are rich as we used to be. By 2008, we will be $10 TRILLION dollars in debt. 40 million Americans don't have healthcare. Our schools are overcrowed.

We just can't take these people in anymore...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. The immigrants stole $10 TRILLION?

I don't favor illegal immigration. I favor making immigration legal.

BTW If the "illegals" are made "legal", they won't settle for slave wages and the capitalists won't be able to refuse to pay them.

Further - most of the immigrants ARE workers.

[jerry611]

47. Last I checked...immigration is legal

But you have to follow the process. If you can't even respect that aspect of our laws, how am I supposed to believe that person will follow any other law? Just because you sneak past the border patrol doesn't make you an American.

No country on this planet lets you just walk in without permission. You apparently favor open borders, and that's insanity in our current era of civilization.

I didn't blame them for the $10 trillion dollars. I said that because we are that far in debt, we cannot take care of another nation's entire poverty class. We have people roaming our streets who are homeless. People in New Orleans still don't have a place to live.

I feel for the poor people not just in Mexico but all over the world. But there comes a time when I want to know when our own people come first? If the quality of my life or my children's life begins to decline because we are letting in too many people...guess what, I want to let less in. That's how this world has worked for thousands of years.

[unlawflcombatnt]

59. Exactly Right

Nothing could be more anti-worker than allowing illegal immigrants to flood the labor market and suppress wages due to their sheer number.

Increasing the supply of labor drives wages down. Increasing the supply of labor a lot drives wages down a lot. The result of illegal immigration is wage suppression. The more illegals that are let in, the greater the suppression will become.

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[mdmc]

13. he should get off those poor immigrants

perhaps he could rally against the drug war!

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. Nah let him solve the Natalee Holloway murder

[MrTriumph]

18. Half of the Mexicans quit jobs in Mex. to come here.

According to Pew Research about half of the Mexicans coming here illegally quit jobs in Mexico to come here. Agreed they don't pay as well as US jobs that are pd in US dollars.

[PublicWrath]

20. And send about 10 billion of those US dollars home to Mexico annually

according to other sources. It's a major part of the Mexican economy. Is it any wonder the Mexican government wants "guest worker" programs?

[Elwood P Dowd]

22. That 10 billion costs the USA about 170,000 jobs each year

If that money were to stay in the country, it would recirculate and create 170,000 new jobs here. Instead, it goes south of the border.

[PublicWrath]

27. 170,000 jobs?!!! That's a very sobering statistic.

I think we're being sold out so that Exxon can get a piece of Mexico's oil industry. Immigration for Oil. And it's going to bad for us and bad for the people of Mexico.

[mdmc]

34. working here reduces poverty there

Open immigration for all!

[Elwood P Dowd]

37. Wrong!

The number of people living below the poverty line in Mexico has increased by over 20 million the past 12 years. And, we certainly cannot afford to absorb more poor people. We already have increasing poverty and increasing numbers who have no access to health care. We do not need a growing immigrant population to help increase urban sprawl, pollution, and continued stagnant wages due to an excess supply of people willing to work for minimum wage or less.

All illegal immigration is doing is making a ton of money for republican contractors, restaurant owners, and other fat cats. These fat cats are paying immigrants less than they were paying US workers in the 1990's.

[mdmc]

51. I value and respect your opinion on this issue

peace.

[mdmc]

33. God bless them for improving their lives

Open it up , America.

[jerry611]

38. Are you completely out of your mind? nm

[mdmc]

52. no

peace

[MrTriumph]

54. There is no peace when American workers have their jobs stolen

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

16. Only If You In Turn Tell Others That TheBeating Up Lou Dobbs Horse Is Dead

as well. :)

[WhollyHeretic]

19. He has the 6 P.M. slot on a news channel

it should be about US and world news not his personal bigotries.

[solinvictus]

25. The horse is still running on the track...

no, it's not dead at all. What part of "illegal" confuses you? If they will break the law to get into the country, do you really believe these will be model citizens when it comes to other statutes?

[w4rma]

29. That horse isn't dead until the Senate bill is. That bill should die. (nt)

[jerry611]

36. On the contrary...this horse is VERY FAR from dead

The bill in the Senate needs to die.

[magellan]

42. I do wish Lou would show the same passion over law-breaking

...and any of the skillion ways BushCo has 'reinterpreted' the law.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. The horse he is beating is named Racism and it's (alas) not dead.

The Mexican bogeymen are coming to steal your jobs. Just like the freed slaves were going to rape your women, and the sneaky asians were going make you smoke opium.

[Elwood P Dowd]

50. Another knee jerk, emotional response

Everything is racism, racism, racism.

We have 12-20 million people who have entered this country illegally. We know nothing about their medical history, nothing about their criminal history, and nothing about their family history. Oh well, the republicans who employ them love it.

[unlawflcombatnt]

58. Exactly

Elwood P Dowd,

You're right on target.

When the open-border/amnesty advocates (who are just pawns for Corporate America's "cheap labor lobby") run out of arguments, they start wailing "racist" and "xenophobes" and "why do you hate brown people?" This is all they have left, when all other arguments fail.

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[BlueStater]

53. Everyone in this topic who has accused Dobbs of being a racist...

...hasn't the slightest idea what he/she is talking about and is obviously not interested in a serious discussion about illegal immigration.

Deny it all you want but it IS a serious issue and is becoming a major problem in this country.

[RB TexLa]

56. No I have a very good idea

Wow.

The man has never met a non-WASP group he wants anything done for except for being arrested. These people have been here throughout the history of this country. You change centuries and you just change what non-WASP group it is that is going to destroy the American culture or economy. Bottom line is there are people in the world who would like to come to America the land that has always taken in the poor who are willing to come and work and build a life for themselves and help build our country. And then there are those who have the mentality of them coming here might hurt what I make a little, I mean I'm not going to be like third world or anything but I do not want to miss out on one dime to allow those people to better themselves, I want them out! And then there have always been those who look at people and think, they don't look like us, they don't talk like us, they don't worship like us, we don't want them here.

[unlawflcombatnt]

62. "Alas," the FALSE claims of racism are not dead, either

Illegal immigration has nothing to do with race and everything to do with wage suppression.

All the open-borders advocates can do is keep barfing up their talking points about "racism" and "xenophobia." And those arguments are just as meritless as they were the 1st time they were falsely used. And they're the favorite arguments of Corporate America, big business, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and Corporatists throughout the country.

I think those calling illegal immigration a racist issue are closet Corporatists, and closet Bush supporters. They're just claiming to be otherwise.

Do they really care about the fact that illegal immigration is suppressing the wages of Black Americans, Asian-Americans, and legal Hispanic Americans? Of course not. They're really just soldiers of the Bush Corporatocracy. Their false claims of "racism" are just a cover for their Corporatocracy-promoting motivations.

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[AzDar]

63. I'm glad Lou speaks out. I don't agree with him 100 %, but on the issue

of illegal immigration being a tremendous threat to the 'middle class', he's spot-on.
What part of "ILLEGAL" do people not understand???

[WHAT]

64. Sure, blame it on the horse...