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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 05:04 PM
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26 million 'undocumented workers' now have verifiable SSNs
Edited on Mon May-22-06 05:08 PM by TahitiNut
How conveeenient! Full name. Date of birth. Social security account number. The Social Security Administration's "burden" of matching the SSN to the correct DOB and full name has been alleviated. Employers no longer need to mess up their records with those nuisance letters from the SSA. They can even make sure they're not reporting income for people on disability.

Whew! Sure is nice to know that all those businesses won't have to incur the administrative expenses of cleaning up their records. That ought to take some of the pressure off the stock market!

Aren't those all "good things"?? We should all be relieved. Just another service to my country. :shrug:



Note: I called the VA to attempt to determine whether my name, service number, date of birth, and social security number were included in the data given to Coyotes'R'Us ... and they refused to answer the question and then hung up on me. (I was polite.) Clearly, they will NOT assist any veteran in determining whether his or her privacy was compromised - obviously precluding the formation of a class for a class action suit. Convenient, huh?

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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 05:17 PM
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1. Did you get the name & dept. of the person? Write to your congresspeople.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:02 PM
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2. (Hmmm) DUers must be partying.
Go figure. :shrug: :dunce:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:44 PM
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3. Given the Building/Restaurant /Hospital Boom I'm seeing here in my
Southeastern part of the USA then I'm thinking that those "Illegals" have made our "Social Security" SOLVENT for DECADES ...WAY Decades into our Future. :shrug:

Why is the Chimp screeching about "SS" being insolvent when all these "Illegals" have been contributing to MY RETIREMENT?

Whaaaaaaaaaaa? Surely all that Condo/McMansion/Mansion/Shopping Center City Growth...means that those "brown people" have kept my retirement save until I live to a HUNDRED...

No? Gasp....
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:36 PM
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8. Really? And I thought it was the smokers who died before collecting.
Edited on Mon May-22-06 09:54 PM by TahitiNut
Like my father. He kicked at 64. :shrug:


"Undocumented workers" are currently estimated to be responsible for about 1.5% of total wages reported to the SSA, higher than ever before.

As of October 2004, SSAs Earnings Suspense File (ESF) an accounting repository for unmatched wages, not taxes contained approximately 246 million wage items totaling about $463 billion in wages related to Tax Years (TY) 1937 through 2002. At the absolute maximum, that represents less than $72 billion in payroll taxes (OASDI and HI), and likely to be far less. Compared to the trillions in payroll taxes over that same 65-year period, it's almost trivial. Only somewhat recently, in the last ten years or so, has it exploded.

Read http://www.ssa.gov/oig/ADOBEPDF/A-03-05-15087.pdf

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:14 PM
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12. The last sentence there in your reply might be the key..."Exploded"
"Only somewhat recently, in the last ten years or so, has it exploded."

From "72 Billion" to whaaaaa???
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:25 PM
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14. NOT "from 72 billion"
Edited on Mon May-22-06 10:27 PM by TahitiNut
I tried REALLY hard to make it clear. I failed. (sigh)

$72 billion would be the MAXIMUM TOTAL contributions made by 'undocumented workers' OVER THE ENTIRE 65-year history of SS. Currently, it's about 1.5% of all wages/contributions. (I guess bolding it wasn't enough, huh?)

Again, despite the insane hype, their payroll taxes are very small in comparison to all the ("legal") payroll taxes.

Clue: That's in significant part due to the appallingly low wages they're paid ... and that's not counting those working "off the books" (e.g. day labor) for whom FICA taxes aren't paid.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:48 PM
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4. That was my first thought
Corporate America needs their workers to look legal, when the the Republican 'get tough' illegal worker laws are paraded in front of voters in time for the election, as Democrats are being rounded up by the FBI for being corrupt.

The government claims that the thief probably didn't know what they got their hands on, and probably wouldn't be able to crack the code to unlock all the data. Okay, now why in the Hell is the government making sure this is a red hot story, if those who stole it, don't know what they have?

Mental note for U.S. Government: Whoever stole it, now knows exactly what they have, and they thank you for making sure they know. You may want to look for a ring selling identities to illegal workers.
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silvertip Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:09 PM
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5. S.S.N.
   Who can i talk to in order to make sure that a lot of
people are paying into my account I need all the help I can
get.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:20 PM
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7. Sorry, all of the money paid in
Which doesn't match up to the S.S.N. profile, goes off budget and into the general fund. After all, Corporate America needs lucrative contracts to be paid for by the U.S. Government.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:13 PM
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6. The sucker who got mine gets a Big Chicken Dinner!
:sarcasm: unfortunately he gets an honorable and a clearance...
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:56 PM
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9. I've noticed the number of 'undocumented workers' keeps changing lately
The number I keep hearing bandied about is 12 million tops.

Where did the other 14 million come from all of a sudden like if you don't me asking?

Don
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:04 PM
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10. and 26 million
isn't far off the mark.
The 11 million number they always bandy about, is just an estimate based on those they could get to participate in the census from a few years back.
A more accurate number, from the welfare bureau, places the estimate at 24 million, nearly 8 million in Texas alone, and even those numbers are several years old.

It's just another weird coincidence that the numbers are so close to the WB estimates, Isn't it?
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:17 PM
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13. I've always kinda thought that when
the census dude with the clipboard knocked on the door that they might NOT get accurate info like, "Yea, there's twenty of us live here, oh, and we're all illegal".
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verse18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:07 PM
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11. That's where all the stolen vet ids went.
I had to email my cousin and let her know she may need to check that out for her father.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 10:15 AM
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15. It seems my speculation about the impact on the stock market ...
... was absolutely correct. Funny how it's rebounding today, right after the veteran's record loss was announced, after more than a week of plunging and achieving 3-month lows. Coincidence? Then how could I have said "That ought to take some of the pressure off the stock market!" yesterday???

:eyes:
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 10:35 AM
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16. All that, and a health plan too.
Ain't America great?
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