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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:55 PM
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*: Like Harry Truman, reputation will rise as the years pass

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/05/22/wbush22.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/05/22/ixnews.html

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But now the American public appears finally to have had enough. In living memory, only Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, and his father, briefly, in the year he lost his bid for re-election, have sunk as low as Mr Bush. "How low can he go?" asks this week's US News & World Report.

Aides say he is confident that as happened with another war president, Harry Truman, his reputation will rise as the years pass.




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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:58 PM
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1. Now, he is comparing himself to Harry Truman!
First he was Abraham Lincon, then he was Winston Churchill, then he was Jesus. Please, someone put this man in a rubber room.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:58 PM
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2. Why would his aides say that?
To the contrary, in the future tall buildings won't have a 43rd floor.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:59 PM
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3. Well,
Truman's dead.

I mean, well, you know?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:59 PM
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4. Wouldn't you enjoy hearing * expound on his vast knowledge of history?
* is the most ignorant and uncurious man to ever occupy the White House (and that is saying something), and he has the temerity to discuss what historians will think of him? Guess what, George - you will be remembered as not just the worst president in U.S. history, but one of the worst human beings in U.S. history.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:00 PM
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5. War president?
I'm sorry but I don't see it. Yes it's a war for those in Iraq and their families, but for most of us nothing is that different. If it were a real war we all would be asked to sacrifice, like all great war presidents have asked.

I'm sorry but Bush's whole administration has been a dismal failure. Truman had some definite highs--The Marshall Plan, Berlin Airlift, Desegregation of armed services, The first civil rights program in modern history, the first proposal of Medicare (things that came to pass in later years). Everything Bush has touched has turned to dust. His ranking will equal that of Buchanan in my opinion. But you can't blame Bush's aides for trying to make this argument.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:06 PM
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6. He is now a long suffering saint, we are not bright enough to appreciate
his genius.

Interesting, he finally acknowledges that the poll numbers are low, but blames it on the war. And that eventually we will all come to our senses and realize that he did the right thing. And then he will take his rightful place on Mt Rushmore.

This man has a very tight delusional system. Only a little reality gets in, and when it does he incorporates it into his delusional system.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:09 PM
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7. Lowering the Fundies' expectations again, there go the Jebus analogies.
now his "rising" will take years.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:18 PM
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8. I don't-------------- THINK---------------- so n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:19 PM
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9. Mr. president, you're no Harry Truman.

--

He ain't no Truman &
he's barely human
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:41 PM
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22. And ain't no Jimmy Carter either!
I can't see Bush setting up a foundation to help the world's people obtain fresh water, have homes to call their own and take care of the mentally challenged.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:26 AM
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28. Good point, and spot-on, too. You're right -- it's impossible to
picture Dubya doing what Carter has done.

I see him instead as a board-of-directors fake CEO-type, reaping the largesse of the corporations who kept him in power this long.

Private jets, privileged living, and right back to the booze.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:20 PM
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10. Not Bloody Likely...
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:23 PM
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11. Proves he is insane
what other explanation can there be?
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:27 PM
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12. None
He's delusional
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:39 PM
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14. This is just so insulting to Truman
My father, a very proud Democrat all his life, is spinning in his grave over this. He loved Harry Truman. When Truman died, he made us all stand in the cold for hours in front of the Truman Library to wait in line to walk by his casket and pay our respects.

When el pretzeldente dies, people are going to want to spit on his grave.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:32 PM
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13. More like Vlad the Impaler
Bush will forever be known as the man that destroyed the Republic.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:40 PM
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15. Elementary School History...
"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

Too many people remember Elementary School History... where if a President did something wrong, it isn't mentioned.

So all Presidents look good... because the bad isn't mentioned.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:41 PM
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16. No
Just, no
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:46 PM
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17. Truman? Please...
The level of *'s delusion is inversely proportional to his popularity. The only wartime president I can begin to compare * to is Nixon.

And * is twice as evil...
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:01 PM
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18. He May Drop to 23% Like Truman. Maybe He's There Already
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:03 PM
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19. They can say that all they want, but...
this clown couldn't be a load in even Nixon's pants.

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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:10 PM
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20. Bush can't compare to Nixon
Nixon looks almost like he had wings and a halo when compared to prezeldent
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:17 PM
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21. Huh?
Edited on Sun May-21-06 10:22 PM by butlerd
HOW can the historical perspective of Bush EVER rise to the level of Truman or anybody near the top of the list as the years pass? Frankly, I see him more towards the bottom. One of my friends thinks that he stands a good chance of actually displacing Harding as the WORST.....PRESIDENT......EVER. I actually don't think all that bad of other GOP Presidents in recent history anymore because, at least, they didn't act quite as "insane" as Bush II sounds. The guy can't run a business let alone the country! It is a sad day when some of us would rather have Nixon, Reagan, OR Bush I back in charge of our country than Bush II. Bush's scandals actually make Watergate, Iran-Contra, etc. look like "petty" crimes.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:59 PM
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23. I'm not dead and in a grave, but I'm spinning anyways...
- Bush has an incredibly skewed and false view of history
- Didn't Ann Coulter write a book praising McCarthy and trashing Truman?

George W. Bush has forgotten that Harry Truman didn't by any means start WWII or Korea. You don't get to be a war-time president if the war is your fault. If Bush wants to start calling himself a war-time President he's probably alot more like Nixon or McKinley or for fairness sake Grant, who probably killed about as many people as the other two, not too mention Westward Expansion, see Polk. Bush is a damned fool. I have a feeling he'll be seeing Lucifer some day, God help us all.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:40 PM
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24. Truman was the embodiment of courage & responsibility, two qualities
of which * knows nothing.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:53 PM
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25. Bush is a war criminal.
AND a traitor.

Not much of a legacy.

Not much of a man.

GREEDY WARMONKEY
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:06 AM
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26. George, you are NOT a war president. You are a schoolyard bully.
A War Criminal.

Harry Truman defeated fascist aggressors in WW II.

You, George, are a fascist aggressor. We are confident that you will be compared to another fascist aggressor as the years pass - Adolf effing Hitler
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diamondsndust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:24 AM
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27. yeah, when pigs fly! .... n/t
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:32 AM
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29. I can't think of a single way in which Bush is similar to Truman- but
I can think of many similarities to Nixon.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 02:41 AM
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30. W Bush is by far the WORST EVER...He insists on harming the Nation
Weakening America, plunging all of us into a huge National Debt and into a war thats ongoing with attendent casualties and lost treasure.

He is the Worst because he LIES CHEATS STEALS...then tries to spin it...
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 04:47 AM
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31. Ha! That's a good one.
Lyndon Johnson was another unpopular war president and Bush doesn't have the Great Society to boost his rating.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 04:53 AM
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32. I doubt it.. Harry Truman was interested in the public's welfare
and truly inherited the war ... He was not even in the loop about the bomb... Truman actually had a national healthcare plan, but Korea got in the way..

Th eBush legacy will not improve with age.. If anything, I think more ugly truths will emerge.. I think he will have the dubious distinction of having been the WORST president we ever had.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 05:07 AM
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33. Two words: Pipe dream. (nt)
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