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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:17 AM
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What is your biggest disagreement with your fellow DUers?
I am against abortion (but your right to choose trumps that so there),for gun control,Israel has a right to exist,contrails is steam, and I eat meat.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:18 AM
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1. Rationality.
I'm for it. About 30-40% of the DUers who lurk in the R/T forums are against it. Go figure.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:25 PM
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77. Varkam- I just peed my pants. That was funny. N/T
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:22 AM
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2. I oppose EVERYONE who supported the war crime against Iraq...,
Edited on Sun May-14-06 01:32 AM by mike_c
...don't have much respect for troops engaged in that war crime, support complete amnesty and full citizenship for illegal immigrants, support Palestinians and oppose Israeli apartheid, support women's reproductive rights first and foremost, kill my own meat, and think that, in retrospect, Nader pretty much got it right in 2000. Those are just the disagreements that come to mind at the moment.
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Stephist Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:23 AM
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3. I eat Meat and Smoke cigars
which most here would disagree with...But I see some here support the neo-nazi group the Minutemen which Is disheartning and why some here enjoy the likes of Lou Dobbs and his Adopted son Anderson Cooper is beyond me...but I guess thats what makes us all great. :)
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:31 AM
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4. I wonder if you killed off the DU who used to do the food thing?
When I first came on it was a big subject and I guess they all left or went off their diets. I am sure the crazy food thoughts kept us all sane.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:32 AM
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5. I think Bush won in 2004
He stole it in 2000, but all of the skulduggery in 2004 was not enough to swing the election to Kerry, and yes, exit polls can be wrong.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:10 AM
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24. Same
Also, I'm not a Diebold guy or a conspiracy theorist in general
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Berserker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:34 AM
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6. I do not
support complete amnesty and full citizenship for illegal immigrants. I do not agree with bush on that subject as some on DU do. I support the American middle class workers. PETA can kiss my ass. And smokers have NO rights non smokers do.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:40 AM
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7. NASCAR and country music - I love both, and it bothers me
Edited on Sun May-14-06 01:44 AM by SeattleGirl
when some DUers lump all NASCAR fans and country music fans into the freeper category, because I am -- and always have been -- a flaming liberal. I don't care if people don't like racing or country music, and it's not my goal to try and "convert" people. There are things other people like that I don't, but that doesn't make them wrong in my eyes, and I don't lump them into one group.

I grew up around auto racing, as my dad and mom (yes, my MOM), and two uncles and several cousins all raced on the local circuits. Plus, I've watched racing on TV for a long time. I understand the nuances of racing, and know it is not "just a bunch of people driving in circles". True, racing has it's roots with the moonshiner's trying to outrun the law in the South, but it's appeal is much wider now. Lots of fans are not Southerner's. They are all over the country, and many have college educations. To be stereotyped as a freeper idiot really bothers me.

As to country music, I also grew up with that type of music. Do I like ALL country music? Nope. Is country ALL I like? Again, nope. I also like rock, opera, classical, rap, hip hop, and all other kinds of music except head banger heavy metal.

So I guess the bottom line is, I don't like being stereotyped for liking a particular activity or type of music, or a type of ANYTHING.
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Robbie Michaels Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:46 AM
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9. I love NASCAR and country music too
I'll root for Tony Stewart no matter what, listen to Toby Keith, and grill a steak every Sunday night.

Hey, we can't be perfect.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:54 AM
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15. Cool!
Except I root for Kasey Kahne, don't particularly care for TK, and don't eat steak, but I sure grill 'em up right! Ribs (baby back's) are my forte, but I do get raves for my steaks.

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Stephist Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:54 AM
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14. I Love Country Music as well...
It is a myth that Country music is an all Republican music however most Cuntry music the last 30 years...the last 20 years especially...has sucked ass.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:56 AM
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16. I much prefer the older country music
or the new stuff done by those who are the classic artists. And I love it when they can do stuff that appeals to people who normally don't like country, like Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, etc.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:44 AM
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40. Johnny Cash was the first punk rocker!
I like Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Emmy Lou Harris.... I even like a lot of bluegrass. I just can't stand the "proud to be a redneck"/ "America Right or Wrong" bullshit.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:19 PM
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72. I'm with you on that, Belle
I don't listen to Country "Koolaide" songs either!

And yep, Johnny WAS the first punk rocker!
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:54 PM
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92. I like country music, but
I think oil is too precious a commodity to waste driving around in circles at high speeds.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:45 AM
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8. I think that terrorism is a real problem...
... and that the enemy of our enemy (Bush) is not necessarily our friend. I think we should be encouraging democracy in Middle Eastern countries rather than backing corrupt kleptocracies and dictatorships and that DU'ers and some leftists shouldn't be rushing to the defense of Iran's Ahmadinejad just because he opposes Bush.

I should add that I opposed going into Iraq in the first place and I think we ought to be formulating an exit strategy as our presence is untenable. I also OPPOSE a military strike on Iran, but I'm not going to pretend that a nuclear Iran is a *good* thing or something to be encouraged.

All told, I believe in multilateralism, humanitarian interventions, and support for UN and NATO. I think the US has done some horrible things; this doesn't mean that other countries have been particularly enlightened in their foreign policy. ALL countries act in their own selfish interests and act in their own unenlightened ways. I find it odd that so many DU'ers rightfully eviscerate Bush's glowing rhetoric and then take Ahmadinejad at his word saying "he sounds reasonable." Maintain critical faculties in ALL cases, not just American ones.

Somewhat related are my views on Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, which put me awkwardly in the middle. I can't take seriously those on the right who ignore his very real popular support in Venezuela and who proclaim him a "new Hitler." I also can't take seriously those on the left who brush over his authoritarian and demagogic tendencies. In ignoring American propoganda, they willfully fall for Venezuelan propoganda. Or, they say that because his opponents are authoritarian, it's alright for him to be so as well or that it's okay because "it's all in the greater good." Chavez has done a lot of good things for the poor, but nobody's record is perfect and while increases in literacy, drops in the poverty rate, and increased access to health care are all good and admirable, his anti-democratic tendencies are obvious to anybody who has studied dictatorships (especially those in Latin America).

And lastly, I don't think Bush is Hitler. Bush is bad. Very bad. Hitler is infinitely worse. And while there are plenty of antidemocratic and unappealing aspects of the Bush presidency (including that quasi-fascist jingoism of which we're all aware), even if he were to take us towards dictatorship that wouldn't make him Hitler. Otherwise, one could describe any petty dictator or autocrat as Hitler, which is absurd.

So, now that I've alienated half the DU board... :)
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:07 AM
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30. That's too well written to alienate many. n/t
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:12 PM
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71. some funny stuff in there!
''his anti-democratic tendencies are obvious to anybody who has studied dictatorships ''

you obviously haven't studied this very much, have you?

and Bush is no enemy of terror, either.

he's done almost nothing to fight terror, and many would argue that the converse is true.

there's no question that the WOT has been his best propaganda device, and now remains his ONLY lifeline.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:00 PM
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73. Where did I say I support Bush's war on terror?
And if you ask me, it should have been defined as a war on Al Qaeda, not a general war on terror, which is a tactic. That still doesn't invalidate the fact that terrorism is a problem and it requires attention. How we go about reducing terrorism against the US is a combination of responding to those who DO attack us and also concentrating on law enforcement and security. It also requires fair-mindedness towards the Muslim world in order to reduce public support in those countries for terrorism.

As for Chavez, laugh all you want. He DOES have authoritarian tendencies; whether he becomes a dictator or not, who knows. But the potential is there.
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:49 AM
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10. I think marijauna should be illegal. Personal experiences you see.
Though you can use it medicinally, fiber, rope, food, whatever, I don't care.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:27 PM
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57. a lot more people have bad- even worse personal experiences with booze...
should it be illegal too?
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Asgaya Dihi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:32 PM
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58. Why?
Edited on Sun May-14-06 12:33 PM by Asgaya Dihi
Kids have lost college scholarships by getting too caught up in Nintendo, marriages have been lost to online games, and so on. Everything someone has a problem with needs to be illegal, even when science is telling us it's less damaging than many things that are legal such as alcohol and less overall damage would be caused if people shifted from one to the other?

I fully agree that some have problems with it, but all in all it's less risky than the average ski vacation. People actually do die there, and the lost work time and insurance sure adds up. If it's a matter of risk/reward we'd outlaw ski vacations and any number of other things and stick to low impact aerobics, and make pot legal. There has to be a better reason than that, and science doesn't offer one.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:50 AM
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11. I don't have a problem with circumcision.
Start a topic in GD supporting circumcision and count how many posts it takes until you're called a butcher or a child abuser.
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:51 AM
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12. I like them all....except for a few (paid?) bullies who dominate
the Israel/Palestine forum and chase out anyone who doesn't toe the line
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:24 AM
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19. They have never scared me since I am unimpressed
by them in any guise.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:51 AM
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13. I'll jump into the fray
Edited on Sun May-14-06 01:53 AM by Roland99
* abhor political correctness
* abortion for convenience is an incredibly selfish act but don't want to see Roe v. Wade reversed
* too much emphasis placed on cable news channel shows (no one watches those but political junkies)
* feeling of eliteness/above others (at least w/regard to intelligence/spelling. I've seen many horrendous examples of spelling/grammar up here ;) )

Probably other things but I'm too tired...need to go to bed. ;)
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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:56 AM
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17. Putting too much faith in truthout
They printed Wayne Madsen repeatedly after 04. He said the story of Florida vote-rigging would break wide open. We're still waiting. Meanwhile, he's disappeared.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:18 AM
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38. That's my feeling also
Truthout is a great resource for links to international news stories and opinion, but as for its own reporting and "scoops" - somehow things never seem to pan out as predicted. Leopold is a prime example.
And I'll state here publicly that I'll eat a hat if I'm wrong with my scepticism re the latest Rove indictment story.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:23 AM
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18. I hunt. I target shoot. I drive an SUV - a little one
Edited on Sun May-14-06 02:26 AM by northofdenali
but still an ass-kicking SUV (Jeep). I don't like abortion for me, but it's up to you to decide. I refuse to help you decide; let Planned Parenthood assist, they're professionals.

I don't like any Christians who proseltize or leave stuff at my door. Ditto for any other religion.

I eat what I shoot hunting. Great way to get non-hormoned meat (birds, moose, caribou). I also fish.

I think the 2nd Amendment applies to citizens who can show they are responsible with a gun. I have a concealed carry certificate. I don't, but I have the certificate.

And worst - the NRA has a great teaching program for tweens and teens about guns. If they can get 'em, teach them how to use them safely, and keep them out of the hands of those who don't.

(Don't like the NRA for anything else. Hell, I belong to PFAW, ACLU, NAACP, PPFA, and the liberal wing of the Democratic Party!)

But actually, I love DU for its diversity of opinion, and I've changed my mind about a LOT of stuff since I've been here (2002).
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:51 AM
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41. The NRA is also pro-environment...
at least that's the reason my freeper brother gave for NOT joining the NRA... too radical with their pro-environment policies (against clear cutting forests). Sometimes I don't understand how we can come from the same gene pool. :eyes:
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:19 PM
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75. No they're not
That's great if it kept your brother from sending them any money, but by no stretch can they be considered pro-environment. Next time you're near a news stand pick up one of their magazines. Next to Bill Clinton and the "eeeeevilll Democrats", enviros are their favorite whipping boy.

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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:41 PM
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83. They definitely don't like animal rights types and "no use" crusaders
don't think they're really anti-environment, though, just anti-anti-hunter. At least 20% or so of their membership consists of hunters (one in five gun owners hunts, after all).
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:33 AM
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20. I like coalescing, not highlighting difference.
:hi:
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:23 PM
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63. Me me too too. It is so good to hear all sides then decide for myself.
I like the open discussions. DUers have common sense and big hearts and lots of respect for getting the truth.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:39 AM
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21. I don't think pole dancing "empowers" women
it is sleazy, period
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:02 AM
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33. I agree with you, Skittles!
I think it devalues all women.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:43 AM
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52. Dumb excuse to justify doing it for the money.
If women are going to debase themselves for the cash, at least be honest about it. After all, we all do need cash!
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:47 AM
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22. DLC apologists
Their proliferation and activity on DU turns me off. Under these trying times, the Dem party is positioned to restore power via the concerns of labor. But the reach around - er, I mean across - the aisle DLCers just keep drinking the koolaid.

:beer:
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:11 AM
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43. Same here
Their condescension and insults to leftists is particularly disgusting.
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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:04 AM
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23. That every minute of the day has to be political
There are too many people here who make things political. I don't care if someone who plays for my favorite football team is a republican. As long as he goes balls out on the field I don't care what he does away from the game. There is too many people who pull out the racist card if someone doesn't agree with them. I believe that Bush won in 2K4, but it was stolen in 2000. Hell you can't even tell a joke about your own ethnic group without being chastised. People need to lighten up sometimes, yes there are serious issues that need to be discussed, but you also have to take some time to relax. I could go on and on with things that drive me nuts about fellow DUers, but I won't.
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:32 AM
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25. Immigration and border security
Most DUers seem to support open-border and unsecured-border policies and allowing illegal immigration (amnesty).

I disagree for a number of reasons.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:16 AM
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26. Let's see:
I eat meat. I think that PETA-type evangelical vegans are no better than any of the other tiresome ideologues who think that everyone should agree with their way of looking at the world.

I think that watching television news and listening to talk radio are a waste of time; the former is more often than not entertainment than news, and the latter is nothing more than propaganda (whether it's Limbaugh/Hannity/etc. or Air America Radio), and in any case you're not going to get an informed view from either of them. There are hundreds of newspaper websites online, from all over the world; by reading a fair mix of news from US and international sites one is much more likely to get a balanced view of what's going on in the world.

I think that conspiracy theorists, for the most part, lack critical thinking skills and objectivity, and as such ought not to be taken seriously. I think (based on the evidence, not on supposition) that Oswald killed JFK. I also think that 9/11 wasn't an inside job (but that doesn't preclude me from thinking that Bush took full advantage of it, and I'm willing to accept that intelligence of impending attacks may have been ignored).

I don't think that Hugo Chavez is necessarily a good guy. I'm highly sceptical of the motives of any leader who attempted to take power in a coup, who has taken steps to turn the legislative and judicial bodies of his country into nothing more than a collection of yes-men, who has restricted press freedom by making it a crime punishable by imprisonment to publish articles 'disrespectful of the government', who engages in demagoguery and fear-mongering with a militaristic undertone, and who makes it a habit to prance about for the cameras while wearing military fatigues. Her may have done a lot of good for the poor of his country, but all of those facts are still rather hard to reconcile with the idea that his motives are pure.

There are more, but I'm too lazy to list any others.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:33 AM
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27. I am 100% against illegal immigration and amnesty
for the illegals that are already here. I am pro-choice, so I believe abortion is my choice. I am a vegetarian, so that covers meat-eating and hunting.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:19 AM
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39. I agree, except for the vegetarian part...and the fact that I support
Edited on Sun May-14-06 09:24 AM by Skidmore
fair trade policies, fair labor practices, and a sane border policy. If we see ourselves as a sovereign nation, we had better start acting like one, instead of a collection of corporate whores out to turn tricks.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:52 PM
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90. Wow!
I think you might be me!
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:38 AM
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28. gratuitous flaming and snarkiness
Edited on Sun May-14-06 04:38 AM by npincus
if you don't like the subject and/or opinion expressed... respond in a civil, non mean-spirited fashion OR move your arse along to another thread you like better...

you asked!

:)
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:48 AM
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29. I think lots of DUers eat meat
I certainly do not argue about food alot on DU.

It is hard to say where DU has a consensus on any issue. However, I did seem to step into (or did I kick?) a hornet's nest with a post on abortion which got 8 replies all overwhelmingly negative. Unfortunately none of them very well explicated mostly just variations of "you make me sick".
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:53 PM
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91. Trust me, DUers eat meat
Just start a thread saying you don't, and see what happens. BTDT
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:19 AM
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31. Watching FOX, Tweety, etc. Visiting FR.
Edited on Sun May-14-06 05:19 AM by rucky
I don't want to see the talking points repeated, even when it's punctuated with an "OMG! Did you see this crap?"

I honestly think that there are just as many people exposed to the RW talking points from liberals as there are from Bushbots.
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:00 AM
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32. Can't stand: Nader, barely tolerate Howard Dean
not a fan of political correctness.
I don't understand people who love Clinton but hate the DLC.
People who think that white males are always the bad guys (Duke case as an example)
Chavez supporters




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LiberalPartisan Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:30 AM
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34. I think Feingold for pres. is a pipedream n/t
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Chomp Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:38 AM
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35. Prone to Groupthink nt
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:12 AM
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37. I totally agree! n/t
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:09 AM
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36. I think work in the real world
is more important that on-line activism.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:10 AM
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42. democrats telling others how they are suppose to live
that individuals are too stupid to make their own decision so we need to do it for them. any of the threads that have the dem setting up rules for others to live, especially when it doenst even touch them in hteir lives, just their self righteous do it my way is where i get into my biggest fights on this board.

could simply be a human condition, but seems like dems are extreme in certain agendas.

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:45 AM
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44. Politcal correctness, it's bad for a free, open society.
Edited on Sun May-14-06 10:45 AM by Odin2005
Rural people are not knuckle-dragging degenerates.

social issue purism hurts us at the polls.

Oswald killed Kennedy

I hunt and eat meat.

I have no problems with GM foods.

We need to drop the gun issue, it pisses of too many rural voters.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:56 AM
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45. we can be just as closeminded and hateful as freeperville.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:59 AM
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46. I hate everything but dems. bbbbbwwwwwwwwwwa!
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:00 AM
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47. I think animal exploitation is inconsistent with progressive values nt
Edited on Sun May-14-06 11:00 AM by LeftyMom
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:07 PM
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74. Me too and
that seems to be a minority viewpoint here. :-(
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:22 PM
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76. It is, but there are certainly others that feel that way
and it seems like there are more of us than there used to be both here at DU and in society at large.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:06 AM
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48. That A Husband Absolutely Should Have Rights In A Non-Emergency Abortion
decision, if he wants the child. This is something that many DU'ers would heartily disagree with me on but on which I stand firm.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:08 AM
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49. I only disagree with those who don't believe I'm right.
And I always am.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:17 AM
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50. Israel certainly has a right to exist, but not to dictate US policy . . .
and contrails are indeed steam . . . but chemtrails are not . . .
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:27 AM
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51. Scorn based on gender issues
I really hate the way many DUers ridicule someone like Ann Coulter by calling her "Man" Coulter. Her conformity to physical gender expectations is irrelevant to her political choices. Making her appearance a base for insults just perpetuates the destructive insults used against gays, transsexuals, and intersexuals.

Same thing for making fun of Repug women based on their looks, not their actions. Their lack of beauty is irrelevant and it's a hateful basis for criticism.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:48 AM
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54. It never ceases to amaze.....
me how many DUers, who would never use the N word when describing a Black person whose politics they dislike, will trash a woman with similar politics using stupid, hateful misogyny.
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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:47 AM
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53. The willingness of some DUers to tell gays ...
... to "take a seat on the back of the bus" because the issue of equality for LGBT folks doesn't affect them directly. That's been really apparent recently with Howard Dean's mis-statements on the DNC platform during his appearance on Pat Robertson's "The 700 Club" hatefest. There have been a number of DUers who simply don't (or refuse to) understand how frustrating this whole episode was for LGBT Democrats.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:15 PM
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55. I'm goddamn sick of people running down other Democrats
Edited on Sun May-14-06 12:16 PM by MrBenchley
and I'm pretty sure we're getting ratfucked by people who aren't Democrats.

I could happily go the entire rest of my life WITHOUT hearing some gumball call a respected Democrat a "corporowhore" or some such childish nonsense.
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Asgaya Dihi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:23 PM
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56. Temper
Most people here are great, even where we don't agree we can at least talk about things and if one has a good point maybe the other learns something. There is an element though that's so worried about trolls, or the enemy, or whatever else that they seem to be looking for a fight and don't back down till you start feeding it back to them. Seems a total waste of time to me, and for every one that does "prove" themselves I'd imagine we've lost any number who just got sick of it and didn't care to explain themselves.

Most here are great, but there is an element that needs to figure out what their goal is. Did they want to win voters over and change things, or do they just want to feel big and bad and zap someone? Can't have both, especially when we're attacking people we don't know much about.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:05 PM
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59. A few things actually
I support Israel. I can't imagine why some DUers want unregulated illegal immigration. I don't think impeachment would be a productive use of valuable legislative time and would just look like revenge. I also don't think, in most cases, we should punish individual troops for Abu Garab, Gitmo etc.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:15 PM
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60. That Hillary can't win because "she's too polarizing"
Edited on Sun May-14-06 01:17 PM by mtnsnake
From what I can see, the only place where people still think she's such a polarizing figure is right here on this forum.

You might not agree with how she's going about it, but she's worked hard in the last year to shed that image, and it's actually paying off for her.

I'm not saying she's our best choice. Personally, I think Clark would be, but Hillary might surprise a lot of you who still claim she can't win because she's polarizing. Granted, she's polarizing on DU, yes.

Great idea for a thread, BTW.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:17 PM
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61. Immigration Reform
I want to blame the corporations and not many DUers seem to agree. They are demonizing the undocumented workers.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:55 PM
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85. Make that two of us.
:hi:
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jdelullo Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:22 PM
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62. Most of my friends
are conservatives/Repubs, and I don't have a problem with them. Then again, we lay off politics most of the time.

Also, I'm for the death penalty a lot more than most liberals I know.

And I'm not extremely environmentally friendly (drive a gas hog truck, smoke, etc)
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NastyDiaper Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:30 PM
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64. Making issue out of disagreement.
Whenever people use 'party loyalty' as a reason we should agree on everything. Like we don't know that we eventually have to pick one person, or that our issues ultimately come to a vote.

Save the 'party loyalty' argument for the freepers and their dreams of a fourth reich. I much prefer a British house of commons style debate. I'm new here, but for the most part I kind of think that's what we have.

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:43 PM
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65. The "sheeple" stupidity
The weird idea held by many DUers that most people in society are merely duped (by the media, by the government, etc.).

This is elitist nonsense, of course.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:46 PM
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66. Keep your hands off my guns.
No registration.
No licensing (except for CCW).
No "assault weapons ban" (no small arms bans of any kind).
No "one gun a month" laws.
No foolish, ineffective, feel good, "do it for the children" legislation.

Immigration reforms and control that begin at the border and end at the employer.

The seemingly constant race baiting and race card playing by some here. I swear, there are people here who try to find a race angle in just about everything (McKinney and immigration being the most recent examples).







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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:49 PM
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67. I think all speech should be protected.
Even "hate speech".

I also hate the way some posters here constantly make their viewpoints into personal attacks. It makes everyone all emotional, ruins threads, and cuts down on actual thinking from both sides. I don't understand why we can't have reasoned, polite discourse with people we disagree with, especially people who are on our side (so to speak). Why all the contempt and vitriol and name-calling? It's totally unnecessary. I wish we could all make a new resolution that if we couldn't say to our mother what we just wrote to another Democrat on this board we should just erase the post. (Yeah, yeah...I guess I can dream, right?)
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:54 PM
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68. religion n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:11 PM
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69. Illegal Immigration n/t
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:05 PM
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70. Science and checklist progressivism
On the former, I'm a transhumanist, space advocate, fan of nuclear energy, general neophile, not terribly misanthropic, etc. That's enough to earn me a lot of flak, which I obviously don't care for much; I'm not a fan of fear-driven reactions to anything, when the alternative of examining the issues and thinking reasonably about them always leads to something better.

On the latter, the basic idea that you aren't a "real" progressive/liberal/whatever the word is this weak without believing this, this, this, this, this, this, this and this in their entirety drives me up the wall. Basically it's that silly No True Scotsman fallacy, and it sucks.

I am certain, for instance, that there's people who would believe that I can't possibly be a liberal - or, more to the point, that I absolutely must be a conservative - because of the first paragraph of this post. I'm sure other people run into similar problems for being Christian, or for not being a vegetarian (or for being a vegetarian), for voting for the Republican town councillor they see as distinct from the federal folks a few years back, etc etc etc. As easy and satisfying as it is to boil things down to checklists, it's really not useful.
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:26 PM
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78. I like guns
Edited on Sun May-14-06 06:27 PM by Redneck Socialist
I hunt.

McCain/Feingold was a terrible piece of legislation.

I'm suspicious of Chavez

MIHOP is nuts, and LIHOP is a hell of a stretch, though bushCo. wasted no time on capitalizing and exploiting the event.

The Dubai Ports deal was more about crony capitalism than anything else and was not a threat to our national security.

We're going to need more nuclear power.

I could probably come up with some more, but those are the main ones.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:28 PM
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79. The control freaks
who hurl insults at anyone who doesn't share their opinions piss me off.
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:29 PM
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80. Illegal is illegal, I have Guns, and I think All this PC crap is just that
There I said it~
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:40 PM
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81. My List
Edited on Sun May-14-06 06:41 PM by LibraLiz1973

(1) I am totally against amnesty for illegals that are already here. I am also against illegals being allowed to stay because they had a baby in the US.

(2) I am pro-choice... Your choice. I personally find abortion disgusting and it is not something I would ever use as a form of birth control. I think that if you have had one, you should not be allowed to have another. Being caught in a bad situation once is totally acceptable- using it again and again is sick. I recently saw a statistic that says in the last 25 years 50 million abortions have been performed. Just how many of them do you think were the cause of incest, rape & health problems? I'd say nowhere near half that. It's sad that rather than take responsibility in advance many girls/women chose to take the morning after pill or go have an abortion= and they do it multiple times, instead of learning from the FIRST mistake. The numbers are appalling. No matter what anyone says, abortion IS killing a living thing. If you desperately needed one I am all for that- god knows we all make mistakes. I'm just against people doing it over and over and over and over.
I've known way too many girls/women who have had multiple abortions.

(3) I eat meat.





Updated to correct spelling mistake
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:01 PM
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82. Israel
I fully support Israel and hate it when Israel is attacked. Iran IS a threat! As is North Korea!!! Iran's President sucks and is dangerous.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:52 PM
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84. for smoking bans, not as sexually liberal
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:01 PM
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86. Not a disagreement but a disappointment
I hate that some hold grudges . My God man everyone has disagreements but only the weak turn it into a grudge . The strong can agree to disagree and let it go. I see some who turn against me if we disagree on something and I regret that, because Im not like that. I can get over these little hurdles.

Try it. You may find its not hard to do.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:03 PM
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87. Only problem with DU is that not everyone agrees with me 100%
on every single issue! What the hell is WRONG with some people?
...
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:05 PM
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88. I'm pro-choice on gun ownership...
even for the 80% of gun owners who DON'T HUNT, and I support the right to own rifles and shotguns with handgrips that stick out.

I think nuclear power and wind power are both good ideas.

I think Sidney Wolfe(PCHRG) hurts more people than he helps.

I like Russ Feingold, but I think McCain-Feingold was an infringement of the 1st Amendment.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:44 PM
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89. About who loves who more!
No! I love all of you people more! I! ME! Yes, I do!
:loveya:
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:06 PM
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93. The Internet is Not Special, and No Different From the Rest of Media
I do not believe that the internet is actually any better than TV, radio, or anything else. Many people here seem to think that just because the rest of the corporate media has been corrupted by deregulation, sponsors, etc., and that they lie on behalf of their interests, that the internet just has to be better. I don't notice much difference, as the same corporations have invaded the internet, sponsored sites, pretended that they were giving "news" here, too, and there is just as much Republican crap, as many lies, as many people whose reputations are destroyed on the internet, harrassment, etc., as on any previous medium. Those people who believed that the internet was going to be some "free voice of the people" and save "democracy," or "the world," or "populism," or whatever it was, must realize by now that the internet is no more "populist" or less corporate than the TV, radio, telephone, or printing press before it, something that was supposed to be an oracle of truth, and became just another corporate-owned product and mouthpiece.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:24 PM
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94. Wow, this is an excellent list
if you want to figure out who to put on ignore.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:38 PM
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95. Nader- I know him. He's a good man
and hardly a secret agent for the GOP as people baselessly state here as fact
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