What do you think of Thom Hartmann's book on the JFK assassination?

[deutsey]

He's saying that the Discovery Channel is airing a show on it tonight.

Here are the "bombshells" from the book

http://ultimatesacrificethebook.com/bombshells

Ultimate Sacrifice details a previously unknown "Plan for a Coup in Cuba" authorized by President John Kennedy, run by Robert Kennedy and set for December 1, 1963.

The Kennedy plan, unique and different from any previously disclosed operation, was—as detailed in a Joint Chiefs of Staff memo—to have included a "palace coup," a provisional Cuban government and, if necessary, a "full-scale invasion" by "invited" US military forces.

The CIA's code name for their part of the operation, AMWORLD, has never previously appeared, making it one of the most covert operations in United States history.

Ultimate Sacrifice will detail how the Kennedy plan was penetrated by the three mafia godfathers—Carlos Marcello, Santo Trafficante and Johnny Roselli—being vigorously pursued by Attorney General Robert Kennedy, along with a dozen of their associates, six of whom were also working on the Coup Plan.

The crime bosses then used parts of the Coup Plan/AMWORLD to arrange JFK’s assassination in a way that would prevent a truly thorough government investigation, in order to protect the Coup Plan, its participants, and national security.


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[WobbliesUnite]

1. Baloney

[WI_DEM]

2. I do believe that JFK's assassination was a mob hit

they felt cheated. JFK took mob money in 1960 and then he allowed RFK as AG to launch a full scale war on organized crime. I think the mob did put a hit on Kennedy's head. Oswald was involved but he wasn't the sole assassin and Ruby took the fall and took Oswald out. That is the theory which always made the most sense to me.

[CatWoman]

4. as our govt. teamed up with the mob in the past

I wouldn't find it hard to believe that this is what happened here, too.

[KAT119]

13. Fully orchestrated by GHWBush who was even in photo at Book Depository

on day of assasination. When recently asked where he was on that day by Larry King, GHW Bush said: "I Don't remember", making him the ONLY American who does not remember where they were the day JFK was killed. Easy to google his photo on assasination day in Dallas.

[CatWoman]

3. Hi Duets

last night I was watching this 5 part DVD about La Cosa Nostra.

I made it to the third DVD; The fourth will talk about the mob vs. the Kennedy's.

Thanks for the heads up on this show; I'll be sure to watch.

I want to see it before watching the fourth DVD.

BTW - The 2d DVD is devoted to Hollywood vs. the Mob.

There was a lot of accusations leveled at Reagan, who was head of the Screen Actor's Guild.

Seems he sleazed everyone in the union by teaming up with MCA. I've yet to do more research on the matter.

I love Thom Hartmann. Whenever I listen to him, I imagine myself sitting in a classroom. That man is so knowledgeable, and he knows his history.

:hi:

[deutsey]

9. Hey!

:hug:

Yeah, that Reagan...a real man of integrity. :puke:

[MadHound]

5. Sounds like the latest in distraction techniques

Blame it all on the mob. Trouble is that while some of the best shooters in the world are from the mob, and could have very well been hired, the meticulous details of changing the parade route, planting stories, shutting down phone lines, etc. etc. were beyond the capability of the mob. That sort of work is pure black ops, and you have to go to the source to get it done.

[CatWoman]

6. bingo!!!

:hi:

[deutsey]

8. That's what my biggest criticism of Hartmann's position

I think it was a mob/black ops alliance.

[MadHound]

10. It could be, lord knows the mob had plenty of reasons to hate Kennedy

But I'm thinking it wasn't so much an alliance as particular mob members were used for their skills, namely being real good shots:shrug:

Sadly, I don't think we'll ever know the real story.

[Bozita]

7. 9pm EDT; replay at 1am EDT

[DrDebug]

11. The mob were the little guys. Not the big guys

Jim Garrison:
Could the Mob change the parade route, Bill, or eliminate the protection for the President?
Could the Mob send Oswald to Russia and get him back?
Could the Mob get the FBI the CIA, and the Dallas Police to make a mess of the investigation?
Could the Mob appoint the Warren Commission to cover it up?
Could the Mob wreck the autopsy?
Could the Mob influence the national media to go to sleep?
And since when has the Mob used anything but .38's for hits, up close.
The Mob wouldn't have the guts or the power for something of this magnitude.
Assassins need payrolls, orders, times, schedules.
This was a military-style ambush from start to finish... a coup d'etat with Lyndon Johnson waiting in the wings.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102138/quotes

[DrDebug]

12. Read this

My Pet theory:
http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMessage?topicID=8.topic

And the best documentary about JFK
http://madcowpolitics.com/jfk2bb.wmv (save target as.. 180Mb)

[liam_laddie]

14. the grassy knoll...

:think:
I'm gonna dig out recent comments by some, who either were there or have researched the
real-time events, who wrote that the fatal shot(s) were fired from in front of the pres. limo, not
from the rear, as the L H Oswald-Texas Book Depository story relates. There was/is(?)
a stormwater collector on or near the grassy knoll from which a shooter would have a clear
shot at the limo; the drain's outlet pipe was large enough to be used as an escape route and
fed into a nearby drain channel. I am not knowledgeable about all the books and theories on
the assassination, but this particular "story" seemed a possible scenario. Anyone know which
report I'm trying to recall? Links?

[deutsey]

15. The House Select Committee on Assassination concluded in the late

'70s that there was probably a conspiracy behind the JFK assassination because acoustic evidence indicated a shot coming from the grassy knoll.

Odd that rarely ever gets mentioned.

[Spider Jerusalem]

16. My opinion (which is an unpopular one)...

is that JFK conspiracy theories are nonsense.

The weight of the evidence, from trajectory analysis, neutron activation analysis of bullet fragments, wound locations, and Abraham Zapruder's film of the assassination, indicates that: the shots that killed Kennedy and wounded Connally came from behind (if the Zapruder film is viewed frame-by-frame, it's obvious that JFK's head moves FORWARD at the instant of the headshot, and it's also obvious that the front right side of his skull is blown off, which wouldn't happen with a shot from in front) ; that the weapon that fired those shots was Lee Harvey Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle (neutron activation analysis of bullet fragments recovered from Kennedy's skull and Connally's wrist showed them to match 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition manufactured by the Western Cartridge Company, which was the same ammunition in Oswald's rifle); and that Oswald himself was the assassin (apart from the evidence linking the rifle he owned to the assasination, there's his cut-and-run act immediately afterwards, and his murder of a Dallas police officer; again, belief in Oswald's innocence requires a total suspension of logic and rather contrived explanations for these actions).

People don't want to believe that an insignificant loser with a cheap rifle killed the most powerful man in the world and possibly altered the course of history, which is why these conspiracy theories are perpetuated...but the actual evidence indicates that that's exactly what happened.