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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:48 PM
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Hungry Marines are now asking Iraqis for food!
Now, while the White House and many in the Pentagon continue to loot Americans of our taxpayer money, they are leaving the troops totally vulnerable and hungry as well.

While the White House and the Pentagon are refusing to care for our kids and troops, inviting their deaths without any consequence or accountability, the troops are asking us to send them food.

Meanwhile, the White House and Pentagon make us pay the tab for their needless genocide and murdering spree, which we have already paid for.

By the way, where IS our taxpayer money going and who's pockets is it lining??

War is the highest crime against humanity - because the most immoral and unscrupulous profit from it, off the backs of honest, good people.

STOP THE WAR AND DEATH PROFITEERING.


U.S. Marines Go Hungry;
Beg Iraqis For Food


As if any further argumentation were needed, this merely underlines the great truth of this war. There is no enemy in Iraq. There never was any enemy in Iraq.

The common enemies of the U.S. troops and the Iraqis are to be found in Washington DC, running their Imperial government for their own personal private profit.

"Traitors" is too mild a term to describe them. At a certain point, rhetoric becomes exhausted, and only bright, white rage remains. A government that would do this, on top all the greed, lies, and stupidity that have characterized this war, has long outlived its usefulness, and has become a mere collection of incompetent cancerous predators.

Of all the reasons to bring all the troops home now, immediately, one reason begins to tower above all the rest: we need them here to protect us against the filth in command at every level of power in this society. Our troops have the power to sweep that filth away, forever. Payback is overdue.



02 MAY 06 By BOB KERR, The Providence Journal

The Iraq war has been the war fought on the cheap: not enough body armor, not enough armor on vehicles, not enough night vision equipment.

Now, we have chow call at the Greenwood Credit Union in Warwick, R.I. It’s the latest in home-front intervention. It’s partially in response to the unthinkable image of U.S. Marines approaching Iraqi citizens and asking for food because they do not have enough.

There’s a big barrel in the lobby of the credit union on Post Road in Warwick. It’s decorated with ribbons and it’s there because Karen Boucher-Andoscia’s son, Nick Andoscia, called and asked his mother to send food.

He’s one of those Marines who can’t walk away. His unit, the 3rd Battalion of the 3rd Marines, was headed for Iraq and he just couldn’t head for civilian life while those he had served with were heading to their second war.

"He extended," says Karen. "He told me, 'I really have to go. I can’t let my guys go alone.’ "

There are a lot of stories like that. We don’t hear them much. They’re kind of personal.

So Nick Andoscia went to Iraq. And hunger soon followed.

"I got a letter," says Karen. "And he had called me before that. He said, 'Send lots of tuna.’ "

Nick told his mother that he and the men in his unit were all about 10 pounds lighter in their first few weeks in Iraq. They were pulling 22-hour patrol shifts. They were getting two meals a day and they were not meals to remember.

"He told me the two meals just weren’t cutting it. He said the Iraqi food was usually better. They were going to the Iraqis and basically saying, 'feed me.’ "

Karen started packing in that wartime tradition as old as mothers and sons. She packed a lot of the packaged tuna, not the canned.

She happened to mention her hungry son to people she works with at Greenwood Credit Union, where she is a teller and has worked for 30 years.

Pounds and pounds of food started showing up amid the daily business of loans and deposits and withdrawals. Marianne Barao, the branch manager, said it could be done, the credit union could become the place where people help feed hungry Marines who are risking their lives on a skimpy diet.

"We sent out 51 pounds this week," says Karen. "There are customers coming in saying, 'What do you need?’ "

The credit union is paying the cost of packing and shipping.

Any packaged food is welcome. So are baby wipes because showers are even rarer than a full meal. And foot powder.

Nick Andoscia, who is 22, is due to come home later this year. He wants to study criminal justice, his mother says, then go to work for a fire or police department.

But for the next few months he will be on patrol in western Iraq, dealing with the heat and the dirt and the danger.

The last thing he should have to worry about is an empty stomach. The last thing he should have to do is approach Iraqis and ask for food.

You have to wonder what the gracious hosts must think when a fighting man from the richest country on earth comes to their door in search of something to eat.

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m23143&hd=0&size=1&l=e

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:50 PM
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1. uh
:mad:
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:01 PM
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36. Dammit! - KBR Halliburton are supposed to feed these guys with our taxes
F*CK HALLIBURTON!

F*CK KBR!

AND F*CK ALL THE SCUMMY WAR PROFITEERS THAT ARE MAKING A BUCK OFF THE SUFFERING OF IRAQI CITIZENS AND AMERICAN SOLDIERS!

:mad:
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:49 PM
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62. Halliburton gives the grunts sewage water to drink.



That's probably why they have to beg whatever they can from the locals.



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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:51 PM
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2. And I am not surprised by this
ONE BIT... the supply chain has been broken from WORD GO
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:52 PM
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3. Heckuva job, Rummy.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:41 PM
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26. What's frightening is this is his job. To him and his friends hes very
Edited on Mon May-08-06 04:41 PM by shance
much doing a good job.

They are destroying our economy, our futures and Iraq's as well, so that they can "rebuild" in their image.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:53 PM
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4. .
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:54 PM
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5. My sister...
had mentioned this to me Friday when I spoke to her--we always talk politics and the latest Bush crap going ons. But I couldn't believe this was actually happening and now I see it right here in black & white...UNBELIEVABLE!! WHAT'S IT GONNA TAKE TO WAKE AMERICA UP AND BRING OUR TROOPS HOME...!!!!!!
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:37 PM
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23. Im not sure Kiko. I know there are alot of us awake.
Edited on Mon May-08-06 04:37 PM by shance
I just wished we owned military vehicles and helicopters where we could go get them ourselves.

This is bullshit.

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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:51 PM
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28. Uggghhh..
just wanna bitch-slap that 30% who still approve of his performance...freakin' brain-washed zombies!!!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:55 PM
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6. Slaughter. Soldiers made into slaughterers. Now they hunger. and get
messed with when they come home - dead or alive.

I think we need to search for stories and articles to post on DU that prove that some of our kids have been treated fairly. Because this is really depressing. We need some heart warming testimonials even if the ones who get credit are undelrings.

There is no name or title that describe these PNAC creatures and their supporters.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:05 PM
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13. What was the amount of missing money from DOD during the time Dov
Zelkov was the comptroller - which was after he left his remote control and other products company and to which he returned after he lost contact with 4 billion dollars. Wasn't it 400 billion?

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=294139541
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:39 PM
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25. Good question. I actually thought it was almost a trillion, but I
could be wrong.

I think the four billion is what Mr. Bremer was said to be leaving from Iraq with in his possession.

:shrug:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:56 PM
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7. oh no
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:58 PM
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8. Everyone that knows the TRUTH needs to tell all they know NOW!
We need to break the circle of covering the Cabal's rear!

The war is a lie. Halliburton is making a killing. The troops and the Iraqis are the victims.

The rich got a permanent tax cut and America got the shaft. We are stretched too thin.

If Halliburton cannot feed the troops, then we need to bring the troops home for a BarBQue.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:03 PM
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12. We have been singing it from the frooftops
since my hubby deployed, problem is average Muricans don't want to haer it
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:14 PM
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18. I'm sad to say I had not heard the shouting, nadin
It's true, I don't want to hear it, but by that I mean I don't want to know that something so utterly disgusting is happening to the men and women who have been sent to Iraq. I DO want to hear about it though, and now that I know, you can bet I will join you on the rooftop and add my voice to yours.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:58 PM
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9. I hope these soldiers survive this bullshit and get home safely..
In November...when the Dems take control....they better get an investigative body together and find out who the hell is starving our soldiers and then try them and sentence them..for war profiteering...etc...

I am so glad my sister got out....with a medical discharge.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:34 PM
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22. I do too Maddie. This is all so wrong.
n/t
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:59 PM
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10. I commend everyone who sends care packages and supplies
to soldiers. But why aren't more people angry that it's necessary because our government is doing such a pathetic job of taking care of their employees?
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:01 PM
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11. Writer's e-mail address
(Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail bkerr(at)projo.com.)

If anyone wants to drop him a line.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:05 PM
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14. They have to BEG for food?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, and in a way I'm not, but what I AM is absolutely disgusted. No, appalled. I don't even know what to say. My rage at these assholes "running" this war has just gone off the charts. :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:08 PM
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15. ...
"unthinkable image of U.S. Marines approaching Iraqi citizens and asking for food because they do not have enough"

:cry:
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:10 PM
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16. when even the army times is covering this, you know the situation is
even worse than we can imagine.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:11 PM
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17. Perhaps someone should post this for the Freepers too
These guys need all the help they can get... and this is one way we can really support the troops.

My heart breaks for our soldiers and their families. I can't imagine what I'd do if one of my sons were there and I heard something like this. It's one thing for BushCo to mess with our rights and our money, but this is our flesh and blood!


DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL! This is the worst news ever.


:grr:




:cry:


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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:15 PM
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19. here are some other links to the story.

U.S. Marines go hungry (begging for food from Iraqis)
U.S. Marines go hungry
By BOB KERR
The Providence Journal

The Iraq war has been the war fought on the cheap -- not enough body armor, not enough armor on vehicles, not enough night vision equipment.

It has been the war in which packages from back home have had to fill some crucial needs.

Now, we have chow call at the Greenwood Credit Union in Warwick, R.I. It's the latest in home-front intervention. It's partially in response to the unthinkable image of U.S. Marines approaching Iraqi citizens and asking for food because they do not have enough.

...

Nick's a Marine corporal. He was in Afghanistan last year, where there was enough to eat. He's in Iraq now even though his enlistment was up last year. ... Nick told his mother that he and the men in his unit were all about 10 pounds lighter in their first few weeks in Iraq. They were pulling 22-hour patrol shifts. They were getting two meals a day and they were not meals to remember.

"He told me the two meals just weren't cutting it. He said the Iraqi food was usually better. They were going to the Iraqis and basically saying, 'feed me.' "

(more)

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=TROOPS-HUNGER-05-02-06



"They sent him to destroy a country against his will, something he would not have chose to do, to create devastation. And they forgot him there, for most of the year, and this was the first year of the war, from March 2003 to March 2004, he lived in devastated conditions without enough food and water."

http://vetgulfmarch.org/article.php?list=type&type=28 (from Day 6)



May 03, 2006

Living large at ‘Campus Victory’

By Antonio Castaneda
Associated Press

CAMP VICTORY, Iraq — Referees whistle fouls during the opening game of a night basketball league. Soldiers mill about fast food joints, waiting for Pizza Hut to call their orders over the blare of pop music. A soldier and an Asian worker chat in the shadow of a blast wall.

Explosions periodically rumble in the distance.

Here at Camp Victory, which some soldiers jokingly refer to as “Campus Victory,” the war seems farther away than the distant blasts — even though the sprawling base near Baghdad International Airport is the headquarters for the U.S. military in Iraq.

Elsewhere in Iraq, many of the 130,000 American troops live in spartan conditions and exchange fire almost daily with insurgents. Hundreds of Marines in outposts along the Syrian border go weeks without showers or hot meals.

more
http://armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1748066.php



Halliburton-KBR Serves "Dirty" Food to US Troops in Iraq
Dec 14, 2003

Pentagon warned Halliburton-KBR on "dirty" food service



The Pentagon repeatedly warned contractor Halliburton-KBR that the food it served to US troops in Iraq was "dirty," as were as the kitchens it was served in, NBC News reported Friday.



Halliburton-Kellogg Brown and Root's promises to improve "have not been followed through," according to a Pentagon report that warned "serious repercussions may result" if the contractor did not clean up, the television network reported.


The Pentagon reported finding "blood all over the floor," "dirty pans," "dirty grills," "dirty salad bars" and "rotting meats ... and vegetables" in four of the military messes the company operates in Iraq, NBC said, citing Pentagon documents.


The report came as President George W. Bush fended off Pentagon reports that Halliburton-KBR overcharged 61 million dollars for gasoline it sold the military in Iraq. Dick Cheney ran Halliburton for five years until becoming vice president.

. . . . . . .

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?page=article&id=1404



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x207927

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:28 AM
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66. thanks for the links, niyad
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:19 PM
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20. Non-MSM article....?
I call it bullsh*t propaganda unless someone here can prove otherwise :shrug

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:26 PM
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38. Since I was one of the people posting on this
in the DU thread linked above your post, I will tell you that if you want to hear about it first hand, go to the Halliburton protest May 17 in Oklahoma, and ask the vets to point out Jeri Reed to you. She'll be with MFSO. She'll be more than glad to tell you how her kid got ONE meal per day, and when they tried to mail him care packages, they found out KBR couldn't be bothered to deliver their mail. (She's the one whose email I was quoting, also)

Halliburton protest info: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1127158&mesg_id=1127158
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 07:06 PM
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40. It is Scripps picking up the Providence Journal
http://www.projo.com/

Your standards for calling bullshit are kinda...um...too high. Projo is mainstream. It's the Boston Globe of Providence.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:19 PM
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43. Why wasn't it linked to the projo then ?
I searched google and yahoo news and nothing pointed to this article other than the Scripps news service and lefty blogs? An archive search of the projo did not bring this article up either.

However I did find an article Bob Kerr wrote about our DUer Carl Sheeler who's running for the Senate in R.I.!

Yep, my bullsh*t radar goes off when I see "Marines going hungry". Maybe Carl should look into this, he's running a great anti-war campaign ? Better yet, the troop's mom needs to start a congressional inquiry with the rep.

I'm against this war as much as anyone by virtue I attended the DC and NYC protests this past year and supporting and volunteering for two anti-war candidates in my state.

But, the marines aren't going hungry. Trust me, I know that for a fact.


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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:29 PM
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44. "Trust me, I know that for a fact"
Now THAT is funny.

A link from Scripps and the Providence Journal is worthy of total doubt, but an anonymous online forum poster says "Trust me, I know that for a fact," and that's the trump.

Wow. I'm giggling like a titmouse right now.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 09:04 PM
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49. There is no link from the Providence Journal
Nevermind, I'll drop Bob Kerr a note before I contact the 3/3's Chaplain and request a morale and welfare check on this unit. Which Mr. Kerr should have done in the first place. Oh well...giggle on :hi:



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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 09:24 PM
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51. Catch -- here's the projo info
Edited on Mon May-08-06 09:56 PM by Sydnie
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/projo/1028050591.html?did=1028050591&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&date=Apr+26%2C+2006&author=BOB+KERR&pub=The+Providence+Journal&desc=The+problem+is+strictly+from+hunger

The problem is strictly from hunger;
BOB KERR. The Providence Journal. Providence, R.I.: Apr 26, 2006. pg. B.01

Companies: Marine Corps-US (NAICS: 928110 )
Section: News
Text Word Count 638
Document URL:

Abstract (Document Summary)
There's a big barrel in the lobby of the credit union on Post Road in Warwick. It's decorated with ribbons and it's there because Karen Boucher-Andoscia's son, Nick Andoscia, called and asked his mother to send food.

Nick's a Marine corporal. He was in Afghanistan last year where there was enough to eat. He's in Iraq now even though his enlistment was up last year.


If you want to read the whole article from the PrJo ... you have to pay for that. This is a reprint of that article.


Edited to add - I found a link to the story on ProJo -

http://www.projo.com/news/bobkerr/projo_20060426_wedco26.a4cf005.html
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 09:57 PM
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54. Thanks Sydnie !
I didn't search far enough back, as I was using the OP's May 3 date. Looks like it was originally published April 26, almost two weeks ago!
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:06 AM
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68. Seriously?
One of the articles is Scripps Howard - can't get much more MSM than that?
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:54 PM
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72. See post #71
Took me 24 hours, but I think it was worth it.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:27 PM
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21. Sam Seder was talking about this last week on Majority Report.
SICKENING! EMBARRASSING! SHAMEFUL! SHAMEFUL! SHAMEFUL!
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:39 PM
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24. Yet, they continue to support Bush
Can you say abused spouse syndrome?

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 04:45 PM
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27. I'm hearing another perspective. They don't support Bush anymore
At least the majority of them.

However, what do you do when you are essentially enslaved and stuck in a situation where your bosses are this Administration?

They just want to get home and out of the death zone. In order to get home with out being killed, they are quiet about how they feel about this Administration.

Rest assured, this Administration is not loved by the troops right now. Perhaps that is one of the reasons this Administration is trying to destroy our military.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:10 PM
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29. I just emailed the link to the article to the local news stations here
Yeah, they may ignore it, but I did it anyway.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:28 PM
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30. Kudos to you Seattle******* Thanks.
I'm sure the troops appreciate it as well!
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:38 PM
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32. Thanks, shance.
These men and women deserve so much better than their getting.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:30 PM
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31. May boosh... May cheney... May powell... May rice...
May they all burn in the bottenmost bowels of hell for what they've unleashed upon the world...
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:50 PM
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33. At least dictators, took care of their armies.
You don't tanks coming after you. All it takes for some Generals to grow some balls, and say NO SIR!:grr:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:53 PM
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34. Absolutely! Sir, no sir!!!
And welcome to DU, neighbor.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:57 PM
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35. That is so funny. I mean.. you know what I mean.... Because
Edited on Mon May-08-06 06:00 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
it isn't at all funny... it's kind of... hilarious! I really want to take the rise out of those lads, though it's from a sense of comradeship and affection.

I'll give a million dollars to the DUer who comes up with the best design for mass-produced begging bowls we can send them, with a sandwich-board sign in Arabic, "Buddy can you spare a crumb?" I'm sure my compatriot, stumblebum Brits won't be far away, waiting to scrounge your left-overs.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:12 PM
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37. Oh, hell.
Do we have to mimic the Soviets in everything? They did the same thing in their Afghan and Chechen wars, and the soldiers ended up scavaging.

This is so freakin' disgusting. I'm sick. It's not like we outfit them well (no helmet liners, not enough socks, not enough scrubs or laundry for the medical teams, etc.--want to cry? http://anysoldier.com ), and now this? What the hell is going on over there?!

Dammit--I'm sending food in my next box over there. I've got a helmet liner to finish, and I'll start getting the box together this week. Food, wipes, the space pen, sunblock, and good socks if I can get them . . . I'm just so sick of all this.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 07:03 PM
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39. Costco has packs
of nice tube socks,12 pair for 12 bucks.
I figure anyone doing care packages and has a card or knows someone with a card can do well there.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:12 PM
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41. They're nowhere near me.
I was thinking those fancy Cool Max socks I saw at Kohls. They were white, though, which they can't wear. They'd be the best, especially going into the summer, though.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:39 PM
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48. What's involved in making a helmet liner?
I sew and crochet, but can't knit.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:20 AM
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64. There's a crochet version of the pattern, too.
It only takes a skein of worsted weight wool in army colors (black is preferred).


Here's the site: http://www.geocities.com/helmetliner/ (I also have it linked on my blog).
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:58 AM
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65. Thanks, knitter4democracy.
I know some crocheters who would love to make those. :hi:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:19 PM
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42. 1 in 3 Iraqi children is malnourished and underweight, according to the UN
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1131340&mesg_id=1131340

BAGHDAD, 8 May (IRIN) - One in three Iraqi children is malnourished and underweight, according to a report released by the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) in Amman on 2 May.

"Under-nutrition should not be accepted in a country like Iraq, with its wealth of resources," said UNICEF Special Representative for Iraq Roger Wright from the Jordanian capital, Amman. Wright added that ongoing insecurity served to deter parents from visiting health centres for essential services, while many health workers had been kidnapped or killed in different parts of the country.

According to the report, a full 25 percent of Iraqi children between six months and five years old suffer from either acute or chronic malnutrition. A 2004 Living Conditions Survey indicated a decrease in mortality rates among children under five years old since 1999. However, the results of a September 2005 Food Security and Vulnerability Analysis – commissioned by Iraq's Central Organisation for Statistics and Information Technology, the World Food Programme and UNICEF – showed worsening conditions since the April 2003 US-led invasion of the country.

The problem is particularly dire in the south, especially in the provinces of Basra, Diala, Najaf, Qadissiyah, Salahuddin and Wasit, due primarily to a lack of health funding. Health ministry officials acknowledge that the public health situation remains below international standards, but expressed hope that the recently formed government in Baghdad would provide more funding.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:32 PM
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45. This is very ugly
:argh:
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:35 PM
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46. Of all the crappy stories of the war.........This one is the worst.
Edited on Mon May-08-06 08:35 PM by The Gunslinger
It wasn't that long ago when the Iraqi soldiers in Kuwait were surrendering to the US army because their crazy leader was not feeding them.

Wow. This is an awful situation there. and once again the "liberal media" wont have this information available on their "liberal" tv news channels.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:37 PM
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47. I'm stunned and totally speechless! n/t
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 09:08 PM
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50. WHAT!! if this is true, then THIS should be the Top Story
an absolute outrage!!!! horrendous, unspeakable!!

This is the story that if true, could finish off the * admin in my opinion.
That would be it. His polls would go below 20 in my opinion. That's just my
guess, cause the outrage factor of this news is mind boggling.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:31 PM
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55. hope, send a link to the story to your local news stations and papers
That's what I did. I don't know if they will do anything about it, but I had to try.
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:41 PM
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56. hi, I'm in Canada, but hey, the CBC may find this interesting,
I will...

I'm really hoping this stuff isn't true, even though it clearly appears to be *sigh*..
very sad, very disturbing.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:47 PM
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57. CBC may be more likely to report on this than the US media
which is definitely a sad statement about the US media. Thanks for sending it along in your neck of the woods.
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:04 PM
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59. your welcome, I believe this is the story that will be "the straw that
Edited on Mon May-08-06 11:05 PM by hopeisaplace
breaks the camels back"...

Hungry american soldiers!!!! oh.my.gawd.



edit: typo
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:40 PM
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61. Makes me more convinced than ever that the billions of dollars
supposedly being spent on the war are in fact lining the pockets of the already rich and obscene. The US is spending an incredible amount of money on the war (or so the "leaders" tell us), and yet our military personnel are underprotected, and now they are underfed!

I am absolutely and totally sickened by this, and extremely enraged!
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 09:27 PM
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52. I posted this info at another site and this is what one neanderthal
Edited on Mon May-08-06 09:27 PM by Sydnie
replied ...

"So they're claiming they were only fed 2 meals a day - HOW LONG AGO?? Back in '03???? Thanks for the big news flash, with the false title that they ARE being starved, suggesting it's happening now. And since you're a liberal that's probably good news that at first, there wasn't a huge supply of food for them. You guys don't view them as anything but "murderous occupiers" anyway."

How they can be so unfeeling is beyond me. He didn't even bother to read the link.

I am mad as hell ... and I want to take back the L word from their rotten stinking mouths. They just don't get it at all!
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 09:36 PM
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53. Just got posted on the newsgroups.
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Arkham House Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:51 PM
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58. Everytime I think I've seen it all...
...I'm astonished all over again...WTF is going on? Could you imagine what George Marshall, or Eisenhower, or perhaps especially patton, would say to the "government" that let this happen?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:12 PM
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60. What a good point.
I think they are rolling (and rolling again) over in their graves.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:33 AM
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63. i think i'm going to be sick... too much evil to fathom...


either the Hague or Mussolini's end, these monsters deserve nothing less.

there needs to be a bumper sticker letting people know about this. them 'yellow ribbon' folk need to know that their gov't doesn't support but actively torments and kills our the troops.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:40 AM
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67. Like the Roman soldiers in Gaul, who switched sides because of lack of
food provided to them from Rome.

History is an amazing thing, if you don't pay attention to it, it will bite you hard in the ass.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 03:17 AM
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77. I didn't know about this. Thank you.
n/t
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:17 PM
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69. This makes me mad, but isn't a shock
Thousands of people were left hungry and on rooftops in New Orleans, so is it surprising this has happened?
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SeattleTurtle Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:13 PM
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70. We disagree.
My fiance and I did some Google research and didn't find much else on this subject. No articles, no other media outlets from anywhere in the world writing about this. My fiance went so far as to say this:

"Ya know, it's funny. The tone of the article doesn't read like "OMG TEH TROOPZ, THEY ARE TEH STARVED!" I read it as: Military food sucks, the Iraqis have better food, so we ask them if they'll share. Sounds to me like good ol' fashion elementary school lunch-room wheeling and dealing. I'm pretty sure that 2 meals a day is standard military rationing. They do get food care packages from their families anyway."

Our friend, previously in the Navy, had this to say: "When I was on the Submarine (during peace time) he had access to 4 meals a day, but would regularly go days without eating because I was sick and tired of the food. I can see only eating twice a day, you wouldn't want to haul around a ton of food with you on patrol"

Personally, I feel that most of these guys are used to being able to run down to the corner market and grab a 99cent bag of Doritos and a 64oz Big Gulp whenever they have any hint of being hungry. Now that they don't have access to food 24/7, they aren't able to handle it.

/my $0.02

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:42 PM
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71. I agree with you Seattle Turtle
I spent all afternoon researching this article which only brought me to a registration site for the original article and the Scripps News Service, as the "only" credible links, and tons of lefty blogs....not that there is anything wrong with that :D

Anyhow, I finally went to my personal expert....my husband, a retired Marine Colonel, who was a battalion commander with boots on ground (during the Reagan years)! Also, a platoon leader and Company CO in Viet Nam. A good commander would starve first before his troops "had to go begging", otherwise he can expect to be relieved of duty. After Nick's Platoon Leader and Company Commander.

He read the article and immediately labeled Nick a "malcontent" which is common, and he's sure Nick is going to be very embarrassed to learn this has become a national discussion. He blames Bob Kerr for that crappy one-sided article also. A simple call to the rear echelon's Chaplain, Morale and Welfare,
of 3/3 (based in Kanehoe Bay, HI) would have assured the writer, the men aren't starving, just missing home cooking and Mom. Nothing wrong with supporting the troops, care packages are always welcomed ! It's great what his Mom and co-workers are doing, but the article was deceiving.

My son is a fed, travels alot, and bitches about the food in 5-Star hotels :shrug:

I hate this war based on lies as much as anyone else, but Bob Kerr needs to do a follow-up, as it's not about troop abuse, it's about reporting the facts of the situation. Or demand a Congressional investigation? No wonder, his article can't get beyond Providence and Scripps.

Maybe the next war protest I go to I'll carry the sign "FEED THE TROOPS" !

Ahhh, sometimes, it's hard work being a Liberal, too many "battles" to choose from, no wonder we don't win our wars :cry:

The troops are fine, trust me. I'm all for going back to holding BushCo accountable for being there in the first place. So I'm also suggesting every one of us send this article to our reps anyhow. You (generic) know the drill :D

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SeattleTurtle Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:51 PM
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73. Registration sites
Use www.bugmenot.com copy paste the link and it provides a log in and password. Very useful for when you're researching the validity of an article. Thank you, also, for your input.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 12:40 AM
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74. That's not remotely the point, as convenient as it may seem.
Let's not insinuate with the "the troops are responding like cocky, selfish kids not appreciating what they're being given". That won't work.

Let's return to the basics.

If they are being given unpurified sewage water to drink by Halliburton, WHAT KIND OF FOOD ARE THEY RECEIVING?

The point is they are being denied what is AT THE VERY LEAST their right. To have decent water, DECENT ARMOR, and oh yes, decent meals.

If they aren't allowed to have decent armor and are being given toxic water, WHAT IS THE AGENDA HERE?



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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 12:49 AM
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75. This is why I sent the link to the article to my local news stations
and newspapers. And I'm going to send it to some Congress critters. Catchawave and SeattleTurtle are correct in questioning the validity of the article -- I think we should question things, not accept them if it happens to bolster our POV (i,.e. the RWinger's are uncaring, etc.).

We must demand that this be looked into. I mean, how many times have we read something on DU or another site, that no one has heard of, and then a week, or month, or MONTHS down the road, the MSM finally says something about it? It was that way with the lack of proper armor; it may be thus with not having enough food. (We already know that Halliburton sucks the big one where providing food is concerned.)

BTW, "full disclosure" here: SeattleTurtle is my daughter. B-)
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 01:32 AM
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76. Absolutely. Whatever the case, the troops who have been sent on a lie
TO BEGIN WITH, are now being abused by private companies from their own country.

If they are being fed, that is THE LEAST they deserve. How about the TRUTH AS TO WHY THEY ARE THERE?

They are there because of a total lie. They need to be brought home to show them the utmost respect. If we are going to ask kids to sign up to "defend their country" and the Administration sends them on a monetary, oil driven LIE, how are our children ever going to trust a corrupt, predatory government who doesn't give a damn about them and their futures?

What kind of message does that send to American children?
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SeattleTurtle Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:58 PM
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78. Um
I'm sorry, but where in the article did it say that they were being given sewage water?

Also, before everyone jumps the gun, can anyone find any links/references to this problem from any other source?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:01 PM
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79. Mother fuckers!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:04 PM
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80. What credit union?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:26 PM
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81. to self reply: Greenwood Credit Union!
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