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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 09:10 PM
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"It became necessary to destroy the village to save it."
The art of destroying, in order to save
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=6d354defd05f8881

One infamous line from the Vietnam War was, "It became necessary to destroy the village to save it."

The Bush Administration has carried this thinking to stratospheric heights. Here are some pointed examples.

Destroying Freedom To Save It: The Orwellian absurdity of the Patriot Act, destroying freedom to save it from evildoers, goes unchallenged in American media and politics. Our government claims the right to infringe on any and all civil liberties; engage in warrant-less wiretaps; peek at our email messages, book purchases and library withdrawals; and enter our homes all without even the minimal oversight from FISA. Spying on citizens is deemed "Homeland Security."

This administration claims the right to imprison people without access to the outside world, family or counsel. Lest Americans think this applies only to foreign "bad guys" Halliburton's KBR subsidiary is building detention centers across the nation to hold tens of thousands of people. Bill Bennett has just blustered that the U.S. ought roll out the Espionage Act again and prosecute for treason reporters who criticize or expose facts about the Bush administration. Our nation is being pushed beyond normal politics. Conservatives and liberals alike should be concerned. Critics (including these authors) are likely already on watch lists.

Destroying Iraq To Save It: To save Iraqis from a tyrant whom we created we have destroyed their infrastructure and killed thousands of Iraqis whose lives we, and they, were told would improve. Post-invasion deaths attributable to the war have exceeded those from the ravages of Saddam. Their right to vote is overshadowed by daily miseries, fear, death via sectarian violence or U.S. military air strikes, sickness from devastated water and healthcares systems, and constant frustrations from lack of everyday resources
more...

Bush isn't the decider He's the Destroyer!!! Theres a pattern emerging!!!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 09:13 PM
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1. Ben Tre wasn't a village
It was a largish town, the capital of Ben Tre province.
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 09:25 PM
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4. I had heard that the exact quote was apocryphal
Edited on Sun May-07-06 09:27 PM by American Tragedy
though it is certainly an apt description of the mentality in play.

To whom exactly is it attributed?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 09:53 PM
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5. It was reported by Peter Arnett on February 7, 1968
It was attributed to an anonymous major.

Clearly, they could identify the major who gave it to him, but nobody ever has.
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exlrrp Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 07:17 AM
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13. The actual quote
from wikipedia

"Arnett quoting a U.S. army officer in Vietnam, when asked about the background for the use of much heavy artillery against a small village.
"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:26 AM
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14. That's not the actual quote
Edited on Mon May-08-06 10:27 AM by alcibiades_mystery
That's somebody quoting the actual quote, and doing it incorrectly. The actual quote used the word "town" rather than "village," and quite rightly, since Ben Tre (and the quote is about Ben Tre) wasn't a small village, but a medium sized town, and the provincial capital. Arnett, who had covered the war since 1962, surely knew Ben Tre, as did any army major directing artillery against it.

Please link to the wikipedia page you're quoting there so I can correct their mistake.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:31 AM
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16. According to this article by Arnett
"The Major with us asked: "How could this happen?" A soldier replied: "Sir, we had to destroy the town to save it."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12795678&method=full

As for the misquote on the Wiki page, it's here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Arnett

Side note: Arnett sure got screwed when he made the mistake of reporting a less-than-sunny opinion of our recent venture into Iraq.

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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 09:13 PM
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2. Yup
He is destroying America to save it.

Also destroying Republican Party to save it.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 10:34 PM
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8. yea, I like your last sentence
he is destroying America to gain world dominance for his pnac friends, me thinks
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 11:38 PM
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9. World Dominance
:rofl: :rofl:

He turn US into the most hated REGIME of the world. :rofl: World Dominance :rofl:

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 09:19 PM
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3. He's not the decider, he's the destroyer, and the pattern is obvious.
Thank you, lovuian, for your clarity.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 10:13 PM
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6. and let not forget Fallujah that paragraph stands out...
"destroying to save" is Fallujah. The U.S. tried either to round up or kill the able-bodied men in Fallujah by bombing everyone out of the town, and then driving the men back into it so they could be bombed some more. We leveled Fallujah in 2004 and remain intent on rearranging the rubble.

and yet the war is worse now than ever
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 10:19 PM
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7. This is the same kind of Cold War thinking that gave us
the idea that a full scale nuclear war might be necessary for "America" to survive. As if anything would.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 01:19 AM
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10. K & R. nt.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:26 AM
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11. another way to look at the boy-king wars
"it takes a child to RAZE a villiage..."
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:53 AM
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12. The invasion was never about freedom, it is about oil, power and money,
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:19 PM
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15. We had to nuke Iran to save it
Busholinni, June 2006.
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