Cheney on MSNBC: "CIA missed 9/11"

[Hissyspit]

They had problems with the whole WMD in Iraq thing, he states.

EEEVVILLL man.

Kelly O'Donnell NBC interview. :puke: MSNBC is rerunning excerpts from her interview (in which still fails to counter ANY falsehoods, the best I can tell), so you can tune in and pick up some of them. I will try to update with exact quotes.

[babylonsister]

1. Newsflash: Cheney IGNORED 9/11. What's worse? nt

[Gabi Hayes]

3. really....just ask Richard Clarke how interested Cheney/Condi, etal

were in dealing with the terra problem

don't forget that Condi was scheduled to give a speech on 9/11 (!!!!)re: the junta's major security concern: building a Star Wars defense shield

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040401-063029-7681r.htm

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. Cheney didn't ignore 9-11

He sat in his office at the WH and watched it on TV.

[KAT119]

14. What's worse is Cheney creating 9/11 from his Bunker....

Once again, David Ray Griffin's book:" The 9/11 Commission Report-Omissions and Distortions" exposes how Cheney/BFEE masterminded this
in-house attack against Americans, and why Guliani's 9/11 'war room' in building #7 had to be destroyed w/ same demolition charges as Twin Towers-inserted by their team. Griffin's book masterfully connects the dots & if ever covered by MSM this book would easily bring immediate end to 'BUTCHCO' and spare us the'next' in-house/called in attack....

[tiptoe]

24. Cheney didn't ignore 9/11...

but rather was “in charge” at the Presidential Emergency Operations Center under the White House, according to the testimony of Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta before the White House 9/11 Commission (which subsequently excluded his testimony from its final report):

9/11 Revisited: Scientific and Ethical Questions - Powerpoint slideshow presented by Steven E. Jones, Professor of Physics, BYU, on Feb 1, 2006 at Utah Valley State College. (See also: Scholars for 9/11 Truth )

OUTLINE

I. Physics of World Trade Center Collapses

Collapse of World Trade Center 7 (WTC 7)

Collapses of WTC Twin Towers

Comments: Temperatures & official reports

Molten Metal Beneath All Three

II. What about the highly toxic dust?

III. Bin Laden was blamed – did he do 9/11?

IV. Did some officials have foreknowledge of impending events? Timeline up to 9/11/01?

V. Supporting the U.S. Constitution – now!

IV. Image 78 What “ORDERS”? Mineta’s Testimony

• Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta provided provocative testimony before the 911 Commission. He testified that he went down to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center under the White House at about 9:20 on 9/11/01. Vice President Cheney was there and in charge.
  
  
• “During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
  
  
• What orders? Evidently there were orders NOT to scramble military jets to intercept the plane, since the plane was known for 50, 30, and 10 miles out and yet never intercepted. The commission did not ask such questions, did not include Mineta’s testimony above in the 9/11 Commission Report ­a glaring omission (Griffin, 2005), ­and removed the video of Mineta’s testimony from the 9/11 Commission website (See http://www.911truthmovement.org/video/hamilton_win.wmv )
  
  
• Mineta seems an honest man. The testimony of Secretary Mineta strongly motivates further questioning under oath of the principals here and of this unidentified young man.

Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect

[Viva_La_Revolution]

58. B*sh ignoring 9/11 warnings?

just asking. :popcorn:

[MADem]

2. But, but....Porter wasn't there...was TENET at those card games too? n/t

[Marr]

5. "and my 3rd grade math teacher missed my cheat sheets, too!"

"I am truly blessed", said Mr. Cheney.

[autorank]

6. Major Prediction: This challenge will not go unanswered.

I'm reading stories about Cheney making demands for dressing room accommodations at his speeches and his travels with a retinue of bio terror garb for immediate use. These are just recent manifestations of his overall megalomania and paranoia. He is completely out of touch. He's having a dialog within his own delusions.

Now this. Accusing the CIA of missing 911. There are plenty of CIA and ex CIA folks around who will find this absolutely disgusting, beyond words.

I predict that this marks the undoing of the Bush administration, including Cheney, about whom something horrid will be released in the next month.

I predict that as a result of this idiocy on Cheney's part, there will be a major revelation sometime in the next 3-4 months, perfectly set up, perfectly timed that will: bring down the entire Neocon house of cards, shock the nation to it's core as never before, and cause a change in government. I predict that the CIA or ex CIA folks who take great offense at this will make this their top mission in life very shortly.

I suspect it will be a series of "good old boy" protections offered to our enemies that will be so characteristic ly * (e.g., FuneralGate) and so outrageous as to make the majority of Americans believe it was LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) whether or not that was actually the case.

[glitch]

8. I predict your predictions will come true exactly as you stated.

I think it's already begun though, and it's not just the CIA. I think everybody who isn't a right wing pervert is now or will be soon out to get these guys.

Sometimes they really out to get you, Dick.

[LiberalPartisan]

11. I Agree

There are a lot of veterans CIA agents who are patriots and they will, I predict, find a way to torpedo the Bush admin.

[babylonsister]

10. From your lips, autorank! One can't continue to shovel

falsehoods constantly without getting some 'backwash', and Cheney's overdue.

[Ms. Clio]

22. oh please let it be so

That grotesque bastard can go Cheney himself.

[me b zola]

37. I love the way you think, autorank!!

The only slight way that I disagree with your post is that I think that Cheney isn't (going to be) in the CIA's sights for todays stupid remarks, I believe that all of the major players have been in their sights for a while.

Yes, I am beginning to believe that the patriots in the CIA are tightening their grip around the con's nads. I want to see the administration, one by one, have a very public nervous breakdown--completely lose it before they leave office to "spend more time with their families".

BTW, it is reported that the name of Plame's book that is about to be published is named, "Fair Game". Wow, talk about a double entendra :smoke:

[autorank]

53. Oh, I agree. Today's slander by Cheney will build the fire, spark & all!

What an affront to the people who risk their lives and work their assess off. What a cheap shot.
This is like the start player form favorites in the playoffs. etc. dissing the opposition a few
days before game day. Really gets people motivated when they hear this garbage, I suspect;)

[Canuckistanian]

54. I think you're so wrong, autorank

I predict this will happen within the next TWO or THREE weeks.

Otherwise, you're DEAD ON.

:thumbsup:

[Whoa_Nelly]

7. And no one called him on his lies when all the pundits KNOW the lies!

Media Fickers!

[Ikonoklast]

9. This administration is at war with the professionals in the CIA

and Cheney is firing warning shots. "Not OUR fault, dropped the ball, faulty intel....."
The professional intel gatherers knew what was going on, which BushCo decided to ignore, knowing full right well that a "new Pearl Harbor" would fall into their laps, making the invasion of Iraq possible.

The Neocons deliberately ignored intel on Iraq WMD's that didn't fit their plans for war, and went to the extreme lengths to defame or quiet those that spoke out. Cheney and his henchmen led that charge. The intelligence community for the most part has been silent about the outing of Valerie Plame, but my guess is that they are NOT happy that their lives and the lives of their families being put at risk for political (or monetary) gain at any time they are deemed expendable by BushCo.

It would seem that a line has been crossed between those loyal to the Constitution and Neocon operatives in the intelligence community, and sides are being taken. Cheney is trying to scare those that would speak out against him and the criminals he represents. He will fail miserably.

[Poiuyt]

12. If only the President had been given a PDB called, "bin Laden Determined

to Strike in the U.S."

[frazzledmom]

29. Yeah if that had happened they could have prepared

or better yet gottan Brownie on the case :toast:

[Hissyspit]

13. UPDATE: MSNBC will rerun interview at 3:45 p.m.

Better than a spoon down the throat!

[Minstrel Boy]

15. Cheney sure didn't..

On May 8, 2001 Cheney began heading up a White House task force to coordinate a response to domestic terror attacks, while he was directing his secretive energy task force.

[Metta]

16. You can always tell when Cheney's lying.

His lips are moving.

[Hissyspit]

17. Someone watch the rerun at 3:45 ET. I just lost my satellite signal due

to heavy rain. You might want to write down the quotes more accurately than I did.

[davsand]

18. Pissing off the CIA is always a BAD idea.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: It is just a really BAD idea to piss off the CIA or even the intel community as a whole.

Unca Dick and the asswipe in the White House stepped in a big steaming pile a while back when they started floating the whole "CIA/FBI screw-up" that led to the intel failure that allowed 9/11 to happen. Today probably just threw a couple of gallons of $4.00 gasoline on that fire...

The CIA brought us stuff like political assassinations and rigged elections in any number of places, remember. While I think most of the folks in the intel community are patriots, I also think they will not hesitate to open up a can of "whup ass" on this group for trying to hang 9/11 on manufactured failures.

Somebody make some popcorn!


Laura

[Canuckistanian]

48. Couldn't agree more

The CIA's job is to destabilize, subvert and conquer governments. I don't think they give a shit where it is as long as they're motivated.

And this time, they're motivated. The only thing that's giving them pause is that they're on their own turf now.

[lyonn]

57. Oh you do have a way with words "davsand"

Beautifully put. That calls for a glass of wine.

There were hearings on the "Hill" where intel people were being questioned and they let it be known that they were not happy with the way the White House gathered (hustled) the means to convince Congress and us that Iraq was an imminent threat. Now they are blaming the intel agencies for their lack of good intel and coordination. Tell that to the FBI in Minnesota and Arizona who suspected flight students of being connected and were ignored, by Tenet(sp?).

[B Calm]

19. Now they have gotten rid of anybody who will blow the whistle

he has the balls to say crap like this.

[davekriss]

20. I guess Cheney was too low on the totem poll...

...to receive the August 6 PDB!

The CIA missed nothing. The intelligence aparatus of a half-dozen+ foreign nations missed nothing. Cheney missed nothing. There are no accidents in politics. LIHOP/MIHOP it was.

Cheney is just continuing to practice the Big Lie principle he lifted from his hero Adolph in Mein Kempf.

[leesa]

21. Oh, I think they KNOW you did it Dick. They's just bidin' their time,

gathering proof.

[leeroysphitz]

23. No! Asshole. YOU missed 9/11! Whether deliberately or thru

gross incompetence will be a matter for a future court or impeachment hearing to decide.

[Scout1071]

25. Awesome.

That's it Cheney........keep pissing off the CIA. We won't have to impeach anyone if you resign in disgrace due to the CIA completely fucking you. And for the sake of this great nation, I hope they do.

[Recursion]

49. Don't mess with the CIA

They are good at what they do.

You think Goss was a fluke? He *seriously* pissed of some CIA people. These guys are very good at ferreting out information people want to be secret. Porter is just the beginning.

[Recursion]

26. Jesus F'ing Christ...

It's not the CIA's frigging job to set policy. It's their job to give policy setters (that's what we call "deciders", Dubya) the most accurate intelligence they can. Since intel is more of an art than a science, there aren't exact answers. So, they give you a *range* of reasonable possibilities, which they did. That range went from best reasonable case (Saddam has given up completely on WMD b/c he completely lacks the infrastructure for them) to worst reasonable case (Saddam has WMDs and is hiding them), but concentrates on the most likely case (Saddam still wants WMDs but is simply not in a position to obtain them because he's too busy keeping his population from killing him).

It's not the CIA's fault that policy makers ignored the CIA's pretty clear statements (from everything declassified I've seen) that Saddam *might* have WMDs but *probably* doesn't. What's more, the CIA (and anyone with half a brain) was DAMN clear that the very LAST thing Saddam would ever do was give nukes to a pan-Islamist terrorist, since they wanted him dead even more than we did. Bin Laden's "fatwas" are online (I put "fatwa" in quotes because he's not even a cleric, let alone a mullah, so his arrogating the power of fatwa to himself is a little ridiculous), and they are even translated for those intel geniuses who can't be bothered to learn Arabic. His aims are pretty clear:

1. Get US troops out of Saudi Arabia (well, we took care of that for him, since we had to leave once we invaded a muslim country)
2. Overthrow Saddam Houssein (and we did that for him too)
3. Overthrow Mubarak and Al-Asad (we're getting closer there)
4. Remove Israel and the US as players in the middle east (we'll see...)

It's suddenly striking me as I write this out: are we on Bin Laden's f*king side or something? We're achieving all his stated war aims for him.

So either the CIA somehow doesn't have anybody who can do a damn web search and read UBL's fatwas and report on our enemy's intentions, or the administration chooses to ignore them. I wonder which one it is.

As a vet of this idiotic war, I'm appalled at how the administration treats the people who serve this country. Everybody I ever worked with from CIA was professional, skilled, and truly loved this country (yeah, I know there were some really bad sheep in Abu Ghraib, etc.; I just never ran across them). But to malign the people of the CIA who work their asses off and in some cases put their lives on the line every day because Dick and Bush couldn't see fit to actually read their reports is hideous.

[babylonsister]

28. Welcome to DU, dmesg! Some have suggested OBL is

a partner to the evil cabal that is *. Your input is welcome, and thank you for your service!

[Recursion]

30. Can I just add something?

I grew up in Mississippi as your average Good Ole Boy (tm). When I enlisted in the Marine Corps halfway through college it was no surprise to anyone; after all, my father and both grandfathers had served with distinction in the Navy and Army. All three were passionate believers in public service; they said if you have anything to offer your country you should give it, your whole life. (I still believe that.) They also believed in democracy and debate. If you have an opinion, it's not just your right, but your responsibility as a citizen to make it public and fight for it.

I've been to forums all over the political spectrum, and DU is the first place where UNIVERSALLY I've been thanked for my service as a veteran. That means A LOT to me. Seriously. I've come over to the progressive camp mainly for one reason: progressives' actions and words, to my mind, show all the signs of patriotism, a virtue I believe passionately in and just can't seem to find in the mainstream discourse. I call myself a "progressive" now because I believe in human liberty and dignity, which I only find the progressives valuing.

Am I a freak? I was a jarhead. I believed it all -- and still do, in a lot of ways. Service is a good thing. I believe in this country, passionately. It's a grand experiment that we are all responsible for maintaining. The proudest moment of my life was receiving an eagle globe & anchor badge that said I had undergone the training and tests neccessary to call myself a US Marine. I was an "old salty hand" by the time this war rolled around. I had already served in Kosovo. These kids believe, most of them, as passionately as I do, and even more. Why do our leaders treat them like this? I sometimes lie in bed at night weeping for my friends who are still over there. God knows what they are going through; I got out before the war got "bad".

If you'll take praise from a dumb jarhead, you're all patriots here, even those (especially those?) who hate that word. We need you. Keep fighting. Don't let them get away with dishonoring my brothers and sisters in arms who have given their bodies and souls for this country on a liar's words. You honor them most by fighting for an honest accounting of why they died or were maimed.

I hate to quote a stupid movie, but I will. At the end of Gladiator, the emperor's sister asks "Is Rome worth the life of one good man? We believed it was once; make us believe it again". This nation, our liberties, are something worth fighting and dying for. We are fighting, and we are dying. Don't make it be in vain. This country is worth the life of a good man or woman -- but no lie is.

There is a cancer on this nation. John Dean didn't come close to describing the full evil with that phrase. This administration risks subverting all that was good and sacred about America. I fought; I was lucky. My friends fought; some of them were not lucky. We need you to fight for us now. Don't back down. Don't doubt yourself. Fight. Take the country back and redeem my brothers' and sisters' sacrifice. We can make it through this if we fight for each other. I'm just scared we won't.

[babylonsister]

31. Are you still here and awake? Can you post this as its own

thread/topic, and if not, can I? You exemplify the struggle for all of us, and that's what most of us on DU are trying to do-take our country back. It's a long struggle, but it's gaining traction!

[Recursion]

32. Still here, still awake

I claim no credit for that post; if it has any poetry it was from my love for my brothers and sisters in arms.

I'll leave it to an old hand like you to post it as its own topic; by all means feel free to do so.

[babylonsister]

33. Smooches to you, dmesg! I will post and we will see what happens. nt

[lyonn]

62. Hey, hey, your post got me to this post, thanks

dmesg makes so many good points. Yes we here on this site do appreciate what our troops are required to do - but, we need to get them the hell out of there. Iraqis are asking, telling, shouting, shooting, to get us out. Sheesh. We are only making matters worse for that poor damn country that We invaded. Zinni said today that all the war plans that were in the drawer for Iraq made an issue of how difficult it would be to stabilize the country after taking over.

[bain_sidhe]

36. In case you don't make it back to DU

before the thread falls off the front page (I'm replying to your post in the hopes that you find this through your "my du" page) Babylonsister posted your most excellent words here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2611646

Go take a bow!

[babylonsister]

38. Aren't you a doll for posting that! Thank you, bain_sidhe!

:hug:

[bain_sidhe]

39. Awww, no prob.

I looked at the times on the posts -- it had been almost a half an hour, and so I thought maybe you hadn't thought to do so...

:hug:

[babylonsister]

41. Well, hell! Check this out!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2611646&mesg_id=2611646

[Breeze54]

40. My 2nd oldest son was a marine...

Kudo's to you!!! :patriot:
My oldest son just got back from Iraq... :)
Thank you for your kind and insightful words!!!
And Thank You for serving!!
We aren't giving up the fight! We're just getting started!!! ;)
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

BTW??

[babylonsister]

42. Please check this out, and I'm glad your son is HOME!!! HUGS!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2611646&mesg_id=2611646

[Breeze54]

45. I know!! lol

That's how I found this post!! But Thanks!!

And thanks for the :hug: !!
I'm STILL thrilled!!! :rofl: <---me.... Laughing...finally!!! :)

[Recursion]

47. Thanks to them

I'm glad to hear he got back OK (well, I'm assuming it was OK since you didn't say anything else).

The support and love I've seen in the few days I've been in this forum has been nothing short of amazing. I don't exaggerate when I say it reminds me of how we treated each other in the Corps.

Thank you all, SO MUCH, from the bottom of my heart, for believing that our lives are worth more than this, that our sacrifice should not have been made for no reason. One thing this war taught me is that it's a cold and scary world out there, and the fellowship of those around you is all you have between you and madness. Thanks to your sons for their service.

I feel stupid even saying it, but outside of the "lunatic leftist fringe" or whatever this is it's almost like we don't matter. We get a parade but then people don't even want to think about why or where or how we were fighting. If this nation is at war that fact should be in every mind and on every pair of lips until we are at peace again. Thank you for keeping our fight alive, and for your own fight.

[speedoo]

59. Everyone here, on DU believes the life of every person who serves ....

this still great country is precious. I have been thanked by so many here for my service that it truly humbles me.

And I think that belief by people here that the lives of servicemen and women are precious is a huge part of why we hate this war.

So thankyou for your service and welcome. We are fighting to end this war, and to throw out this evil misadministration. And every day, we see more evidence that we are starting to win the fight.

[lyonn]

63. Damn dmesg, you have brought tears to my eyes

Because this admin. doesn't get it and you and all those over there fighting for us have to pay the price. And you are right, the damn media acts like "you don't matter." No real stories on what is really happening over there. We are told that the media doesn't report the "good stuff." We'd love to hear some good stuff. We know better. So, thank you and all our troops.

Welcome.

[NanceGreggs]

43. Welcome to DU, sir ...

... and more to the point, Welcome Home!

:patriot:

[Jack Rabbit]

44. Thank you for the kind words, dmesg

Many of here are vets. We appreciate our brothers and sisters in uniform.

-- SGT Jack Rabbit, US Army 1976-79

[Laurab]

46. Welcome home and thank you!

What a great post. We can and we must fight for each other. My nephew is over in that ugly war right now (Army), and I pray for his safe return, as I do for everyone, civilian and military, who are in danger of dying for this lie. I'm so glad you found your way to DU, it may help you to keep your sanity until this nightmare is over.

Never give up!

[wtmusic]

56. Your post is inspiring, dmesg

One of the least appreciated casualties of this war is the loss of faith suffered by young men and women who have offered their lives to serve and protect America, and been "had". No wonder no one is signing up.

How long will it take to rebuild that respect in the eyes of the nation's young people? What will the armed forces of five years from now look like? I worry for an America ill-prepared to defend itself and its allies against real threats in the future.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

61. I'm tearing up reading this

thank you dmesg, for your words and your service to my country.

We will fight, we are fighting for you, for your brothers and sisters in arms, for our children.

Bless you!

:patriot:

[tulip]

76. Thank you and Welcome Home Soldier

You're not alone in your sentiments. There are others who feel the same way!

[dave502d]

34. Welcome to DU, dmesg and thank you. n/t

[wicket]

70. Welcome to DU!!!!

:hi: :toast:

[bluescribbler]

75. Hey Jarhead!

Welcome. I haven't posted much, but have been coming here for many years now.

Tin Can Sailor from the US 7th Fleet, 1969-1972. Like you, i'm one of the lucky ones who made it home in one piece. Well, physically, at least.
:patriot:
The other day I was walking down Main St. in my hometown. As I passed the Recruiting office, this Army sgt. was taking some air.

"Good evening, sir." He said.

"You don't have to call me 'Sir', I was enlisted."

We talked some more. I told him how most of my time in the Tonkin Gulf was a lot of boredom. He confided that his current post was also a lot of boredom.

"People just don't want to serve their country anymore", he complained.

My reply was, "I don't think it's the country they don't want to serve. I think maybe they don't want to serve this President."

I'm not sure he got my point.

[tabasco]

27. The Bush Cheney team had exactly ZERO meetings on the terrorist

threat prior to 9-11. Tell me again who missed 9-11, Dickless. :mad:

[misternormal]

35. What a hoser... n/t

[XOKCowboy]

50. Dean today "The CIA wasn't at fault"

They had the information and passed along. Same for the FBI agents in Arizona. It was the fact that this White House didn't want to hear things that didn't fit their agenda.

Just like Bush/Cheney/Rummy/Condy. Never THEIR fault. They were mislead. What leaders.

[lyonn]

64. Tactical rather than strategic mistakes

Zinni today on C-span mention Condi speaking in Europe saying that "thousands of tactical mistakes were made." Zinni said he was furious with the word "tactical" rather than strategic. Same ol' blame game by this admin. In other words, she must have been complaining about the officers and troops! That was my take anyway.

[Zorra]

51. Dick, Dick, Dick.....where's the accountability here? Even though

you Let It Happen On Purpose, it still doesn't mean you can get off by passing the buck to your underlings.

You are the fucking Vice-President, Dick. That means You, and Chimpy, are responsible for what happened on 9/11.

The "dog ate my homework" excuse doesn't fly anymore once you are past 7 years old. Grow up. Be a man.

Accept responsibility for your failures, apologize, and then, please, just go away.

[Canuckistanian]

52. I just realized something

Cheney is now hated by:

1. The American people

2. The Russians

3. The Middle East

and now,

4. The CIA

Who, exactly, is there left to piss off?

[Hissyspit]

55. My stepmother and Lichtenstein.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

60. The CIA has disliked Cheney for quite some time...they're #1 on your list.

[incapsulated]

65. Any wonder they hate his ass?

And senior people are leaving the agency? Like the FBI?

Soon we won't have an intelligence or domestic agency left intact.

[habitual]

66. If Cheney ever wondered why leaks are springing up

all over the place, it's because of statements like these.... the good folks who he is passing the buck to and laying blame are getting fed up with playing the fall guys...

[rucky]

67. Seriously, tho. What's the point of smearing the public image...

of an organization that works in secret? I'm pretty sure the CIA couldn't give a flying fuck about their public image.
Cheney's just using the media to be, well, a Dick. All his smear campaign is doing is making the public even less distrustful of the Bush/Cheney-run government.

:shrug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. NO...HE, Cheney, had a problem with the whole WMD thing.

HE'S the one who planted his ass at CIA headquarters...20 TIMES, digging up anything and everything he could twist to fit HIS agenda. HE is complicit in starting an illegal invasion of Iraq and when Democrats take over Congress in '06, his ass is grass. I can't wait to see that rat bastard in an orange jumpsuit and handcuffs.

[newspeak]

73. that's what I was thinking

he hovered over the CIA to "influence" the intelligence on Iraq. It was unprecedented for a vice president to visit the CIA so many times, maybe to "fix" the intelligence? Now, how's that Halliburton stock doing?

[newspeak]

74. What we don't want is FBI and CIA agents

leaving in droves. If these organizations are left to lockstepping loyalists who care only for loyalty to this administration over loyalty to this country and the Constitution, then we are all in trouble. We need good, conscientious agents still in there to protect the interests of the American people and our country. I believe this shake-up of the CIA is a further power grab by the administration, with Negroponte fully taking the reigns of all intelligence. It should disturb everyone that a man who was instrumental in death squads and part of the Contra-Iran, BCCI scandal is now pulling the strings for our own domestic security and control. And, why do I keep thinking of Hitler's SS power grab after Hitler broke up his own brown shirts and replaced them?

[The Backlash Cometh]

69. O-M-I-G-O-D!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember those early months very well!!!!!!!! Bush delegated EVERYTHING to Cheney. The son of a bitch was going to streamline our national emergency response team through FEMA!!!!!!!!!

What a fucking liar! If I'm pissed, you can imagine how mad the CIA is right now.

[Captain Hilts]

71. What about the 'hair on fire' comments about Tenet? nt

[Hissyspit]

72. kick with Pt. 2

[ComerPerro]

77. They why did Bush give Tenet a medal?