BushCo collapse...What was the turning point?

[hexola]

What - in your opinion - was the watershed for BushCo?

Where did they stumble? (where did all the lies start to unravel...?)

At the end of 2004 - They were very high from the GOP convention and election win...

I think the first signs of the train coming off the tracks was Terry Shiavo...Delay was really tooting his horn loudly...louder than even Bush. Remember - Bush had to come back from vacation just to seem "in charge" - But Terry died anyway.

This was followed by a large number of soldiers from Ohio being killed in Iraq...

I don't think they ever recovered...downhill from there...

[Chevy]

1. Katrina N/T

[OhNoTheyDidNot]

70. Yup, beggining of the end!

[Oceansaway]

2. hands down....Katrina....n/t

[mom cat]

75. Katrina was when it really started to unravel.

[joemurphy]

3. Schiavo

It's been all downhill from there.

[skooooo]

5. Schaivo was the first BIG drop...

...but after that, I think he coasted for a while. Later in the year, Katrina was the big wake up, imo.

[roguevalley]

67. Terri brought unrest to the surface but Cindy lit the fire.

[goclark]

4. Cindy was a big piece of it

[skooooo]

6. yep...Cindy, Shaivo, Katrina...

[LaPera]

26. Exactly, those three right in a row-People were able to see for themselves

and then other things (Plame, WMD, illegal eavesdropping, etc.) snowballed and all kinds of lies, corruption and self-serving policies that were lingering, people began to take a different look.

Also older policies are coming back to haunt them...Downing Street Memo, the Pharmaceutical Bill, Veteran cuts, Social Security, Union busting...

And now the mess in Iraq & allowing oil companies to control the flow for greedy self gain are glaring for all to see(except perhaps the blind freepers).

The Dubai Port deal also showed that BushCo was ONLY about money(selling America to the highest bidder)and they could care less about national security...that opened many of the most stubborn eyes!

And now the media says Bush has a 32% or 33% approval(I think its more like 29%).

I know Stephen Colbert didn't help Bush this past weekend pointing it all out...Exposing the emperor has no clothes!!

[bunkerbuster1]

50. Commander Codpiece brought down by three girls

I love to point that out to folks.

[hexola]

51. Ha - he does seem to have a problem wooing the ladies...

Terry, Hariet, Valerie, Cindy, Katrina, Helen...

[Ilsa]

57. Okay, six gals. Is there an anti-Christ prophecy about this?

If not, let's start one! The internet is our friend.

[bobbieinok]

95. this is what I thought of first.....maybe someone can do something with

this

(leave out Harriet???)

New International Version
Matthew 25 NIV



The Parable of the Ten Virgins
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'

9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'

10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'

12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'

13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

[midnight]

Thanks for pointing that out to me.

Put a chunkle in my belly.

[midnight]

52. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

Put a chunkle in my belly.

[peekaloo]

58. this time the trifecta HIT him.

:-)

[Justice]

29. Cindy

when you look back, the press covered Cindy and her protest in Texas more than I could have ever hoped for. It was August, the press were bored, they were down in Texas, and so they covered it.

I am convinced that whatever happens in August gets lots of attention b/c it is a slow month otherwise.

[madokie]

93. Cindy got peoples attention and she has pretty much shut down the western

whitehouse, as they liked to refer to it.

[LSK]

7. mission accomplished

NOT!

[tlsmith1963]

8. Definitely Katrina

Ir was an embarrassment to see how poorly Katrina was handled. We are supposed to be this rich nation that can do anything, & yet we couldn't even handle the aftermath of a hurricane? Funny, but we seemed to do just fine with hurricane relief before GWB came along. It's just so pathetic that we couldn't handle Katrina right.

Tammy

[skooooo]

10. There you go playing the blame game!

lol..

[Zen Democrat]

9. Schiavo - Downing Street Memo - Cindy Sheehan - Katrina - Abramoff -

Harriet Myers - Medicare D - Dubai Ports - Immigration - Gas Prices - and so on, and so on.

Of course, the situation in Iraq overlays everything.

[skooooo]

11. Dubai ports was pretty bad for him, wasn't it??

heeee heeee

[goclark]

20. He is so well rounded ~ the Decider

could mess up Heaven!

[Arkansas Granny]

42. Yep. It's just kind of snowballed.

[Tuesday_Morning]

12. Katrina

It became obvious to everybody then....except the backwash.

[iamahaingttta]

25. Definitely Katrina

The Backwash!
That's what I've started calling the 32%!

[CrazyOrangeCat]

13. I think it was Katrina.

Shiavo was the start, certainly . . . but all those images of Americans, stranded and starving in the heat.

And no one from BushCo doing a damned thing about it.

There is an image of Shrub at one of his photo-ops down there--with a retarded look on his face, unable to wield a hammer. I think that really got through to a lot of Republicans, and a lot of apolitical types.

It became all too clear that the guy is just a foolish puppet for some corporate-fascist jerks.

[dmr]

54. Agree - Katrina was the catalyst

After which many Americans started connecting the dots to all things sinister.

I was going to say Terri Schaivo was the beginning, with Harriet Meirs following, then Cindy Sheehan and the peace movement in Crawford.

But ...

The media and the GOP pundits could NOT spin the never ending atrocities of Katrina. No White House 'doin'aheckavajob' talking points would or could ever work to forgive Bush's* administration and his cronies. The media had no choice but to cover New Orleans - and there was nothing feel-good coming out of there; nothing but thirst, hunger, imprisonment, hopelessness, fear, heartache, death - the whole ruination of the 'American Dream' - something many Americans realized could happen to any of us.

Bush* campaigned and promised America he would be the leader to keep us all safe. He failed. Along comes a natural disaster and he's out plucking a guitar somewhere while his crony infested administration is failing left and right. To add insult to injury, and to actually prove to the American people how uncaring and out of touch he was, he pats his cronies on the back with mega compliments during photo-ops that held up the real recovery efforts.

How I despise that man ...

[CrazyOrangeCat]

56. well said.

[madokie]

14. the lies came home to roast

Cindy showed them the way

[electron_blue]

15. Hasn't happened yet. Bushco still not collapsed.

Certainly, though, Katrina made them all look just plain stupid, idiotic and asleep at the wheel. It was going to be a huge disaster no matter what anyone did. It would have been so easy for Bush to look like a hero with a few well-chosen actions and photo-ops. But they didn't care. They just didn't care. And I don't mean they didn't care about the people. They just didn't care about the window dressing, bcs they didn't need it anymore.

Frankly, once you HAVE total control, you don't need to worry about polls and popularity ratings. Someday everyone will wake up and realize that they already have total control and Martial Law will be imposed once we (the people) start demanding they stop breaking the laws.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. 1) Katrina; 2) The straw that broke the camel's back, DUBAI & the PORTS

At least it seems to me that with Katrina people began going, "hmmmm... something's not right." When the * said Dubai should be allowed to manage our ports, even right wingers began to lose it.

[sendero]

17. Katrina..

... was the real killer. The preceeding events created a shadow of a doubt, Katrina removed the shadow and left only the doubt.

[blonndee]

18. Katrina. People saw just how uncaring and utterly incompetent this whole

rotten, stinking admin is. It was right there for all of us to see. And it went on for days and days as people died and America was helpless and outraged.

[hexola]

24. I agree with Katrina - for the masses...but for his base...

I think the Shiavo thing started to strain him with his base...despite the apparent support from Bush supporters...this was a confusing move...As I recall, DeLay led the charge on Shiavo...and brought out prople like Frist...

They went out as if they could be more powerful than god - and lost...the big Ohio kill followed shortly and made a huge contrast...like fantasy vs. reality.

Katrina just proved to the masses - folks who may not follow politics too closely - that something was very wrong...

[unblock]

19. honestly, i think it was the election.

the minute he "won" the election, he became a lame duck.
banana republicans in washington knew he was a defective product, but united behind him in typical republican fashion for their own collective interests.

but with no future election in front of shrub, he bacame a lame duck. there was no longer any compelling reason to support his ridiculousness, especially because his dubious popularity couldn't be parlayed into coattails.

so what winning the election did was remove the very thing that prevented the world from seeing him as an emperor with no clothes.

things like katrina and cindy and the social security flop all played poorly for the shrub side in large part because there was no reason to cover for him any more.


believe me, if these things had happened during his first term, the press would have covered it all VERY differently!

[hexola]

27. Very true - the GOP convention was huge boost...

Bush was starting to fail badly before the election - and the GOP convetion made a huge emotional appeal that gave Bush a major boost...

[Burried News]

21. Social Insecurity - one theft and one lie too many.

But I wouldn't argue with the Katrina vote.

[Festivito]

84. SS started the crack. People knew their SS.

SS means little to a 350K a year guys. They thought they could run it past the usually ignorant public. The public was not ignorant on SS. The lack of media, or the disinformation from media made no impact. People already knew.

Katrina added a lot.
Iraq added slowly.
Schaivo added in certain groups. (Religious groups swing hard when the lie is clear. But, it must be incontrovertibly clear.)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

22. seeds sown far earlier, took time to sprout. lots of things, like

the 2000 election, the wmd, the run up to 9/11, hell the list is a daily review of their actions is, well, incredible

[Generator]

23. When Rove gets indicted

either this friday or next friday.

[Skittles]

28. for sure it was Katrina

even I, who expected the worst of this lot, was horrified by their complete incompetence over Katrina; there are images that, like 9/11, will live with me for the rest of my days

[misternormal]

30. For me...

... It was seeing the chimp-meister on the lead vehicle of a "rescue" convoy entering New Orleans, standing as if he is the avenging knight, arriving to save the masses... Much like a stubby Don Quixote... 5 days late...

Made me retch.

[hexola]

32. The image of Bush flying over NOLA in AF1 looking out that tiny window...

...is the definitive image for his presidency and relationship to the American people...

Bush's "window on the world"...very small and thousands of feet above the rest of us...

[Jack Rabbit]

31. Katrina and Dubai

The first one exposed the problems with the rampant cronyism and incompetence of the regime. The second one exposed that the way he rewards his friends is not necessarily in the best interests of national security.

I'd really like to say the Iraq war, but that could have dragged on and on and just kept dragging him down little by little without getting to to this level. After these other two stories, he's been on a non-stop slide and it won't stop.

[RDANGELO]

33. Katrina

When they showed that video of **** being told how bad the storm was going to be and that the levies could give way, I think many people finally realized what a liar he is. He lies about everything. That is not a partisan exaggeration.

[az chela]

34. Cindy Sheehan gave a voice to the illegal war in Iraq

and the incompetency of this government.She took it to the streets so that people finally had to wake up and see that this is an illegal war and a corrupt administration.
She is still out there protesting,giving speeches,doing interviews.
Crawford was bushs downfall and the beginning of the end for bush ,thanks to Cindy and all you who went and protested and are still protesting.We have to thank CODE PINK and the CRAWFORD PEACE HOUSE and the loves one of our fallen military.
Thank you all of you,you know who you are!!!

[madrchsod]

35. katrina

even the most loyal bush- bots realized something was very wrong. everyone,including bush, who watched the television before that storm knew something big was going to happen and it did but bush did nothing for days. the majority of the people in the united states and the world realized that we are not prepared for a major terrorist attack or another natural disaster and worse , the world saw how the bush government cared nothing for the suffering of the underclass in the greatest country on earth. katrina was his achilles heel and he will always be remembered as the president who did nothing to save one of the greatest citys in the world.

[KittyWampus]

36. Richard Clarke and it upsets me that people don't give that man his due

[The Backlash Cometh]

41. It upsets me that people didn't pay attention to him back then.

He wasn't the turning point, but, hopefully, people will now listen to him.

[KittyWampus]

45. IMO, he was the log that finally wedged itself between the two banks

and allowed stuff to build up behind him.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

74. THAT was the first seed of this rotten crop. You got it.

[populistdriven]

37. I prefer to think of it as a Tsunami with 3 destructive stages:

The Earthquake that started the Tsunami was Iraq.

The Tsunami then:

1) Started with Sheehan on the left and his cowardice.

2) Wiping out the Center with Katrina.

3) Now the Base is eroding - starting with Dubai.

[Nite Owl]

38. Wanting to privitize Social Security

He thought he had a man date and the people realized that it didn't include them. He didn't talk about this before the election and all of sudden sprang this on us, it started the ball rolling down hill. Everything started to stick like glue from then on. it was the first crack.

[The Backlash Cometh]

39. Katrina, Colbert and Plame. In that order.

[peacetalksforall]

40. Lies for going to war and the dawning on people that all the deaths

were unnecessary.

Something that paved the way - was the thievery of funds in Iraq.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

43. when Code Pink draped that huge pink slip out their hotel

balcony. a very small event but a clear message that got plastered over the msm.

YOU LIED, YOU'RE FIRED

everything else that happened since, has re-enforced that message.

[Homer12]

44. When people woke up and learned that He

and his adminstration are lieing scumsucking shitbags.

[IndyOp]

46. Roses for Helen Thomas!

Helderheid <- :applause:

[kdpeters]

47. I think Social Security privatization was the first crack in the armor

[Hissyspit]

48. Stolen Election - 2000

I know that's not really what you mean, but think about it - the moment they undermined American democracy for their own corrupt intentions and purposes, including invading Iraq no matter what Americans thought or what reality was, they proceeded to engage in the most disingenuous, corrupt, incompetent, undemocratic, immoral behavior on a DAILY basis. It was only a matter of time before it all came back on them.

The die was set.

Character is fate.

Truth will out.

[blm]

49. Started w/ Social Security, then Schiavo, Fitz, and KATRINA batted cleanup

His media was at a loss to spin those events for Bush as they usually were able to do in the past.

Hell, they were still in a rut trying to spin Condy Sheehan all that time.

[MODemocrat]

53. Dubai was among the worst, the war itself finally being shown as a sham

Most people were supporting the president until it was found out that he had lied his way into the war, and I believe Cindy Sheehan has made a huge impact on his demise. Oh, there have been so many blunders; but after Katrina, he's unable to recover. More and more people see him as transparent, to say the least.:mad: :mad: :grr: :grr:

[ShortnFiery]

63. Yes, Katrina woke up the sheeple and Dubai was the moment

of national awareness: "Gee, maybe this Executive Branch is NOT first and foremost for the welfare and protection of The American People?"

The Average American finally started to pay attention.

Now these high gas prices will sink them like quick sand. Don't depend on the Oil Companies bailing out Boy George for they are one of the few entities that are EVEN MORE ARROGANT AND GREEDY than our corrupt Administration. :thumbsdown:

[MODemocrat]

96. Amen to that ShortnFiery

"Even more arrogant and Greedy" and who would think that was possible? I wondered how long it would take for people to wake up and realize what THEY had "elected." Actually, just as
President Clinton once said "People are very smart, they eventually get it right." That may not be his exact quote, but I believe it was close to that; and how true. :bounce: :bounce:

[Chulanowa]

55. I don't think Cindy was a big part

Mostly, she was preaching to the choir - the right utterly dmismised her, and that dismissal was strong enough to get much of the center to do so, as well. Much like Mr. Moore, she contributed, but isn't the turning point.

I would have to say that Harriet Miers was, in fact the giant turning point. This tiny, sychophantic little bingo operator tore apart a large amount of Bush's base, more than Terry did, more than Katrina did. For the first time, even the Backwash was able to see, clearly, that he was operating in self-interest rather than national interest. He managed to patch the hols with them by getting Alito in there, but the fractures and fissures didn't vanish, and for the first time, America as a whole was united in saying "hey now wait a got-danged minute here!"

The Dubai ports deal alone would not have done the damage it did, if the doubts seeeded among Bush's base by Harriet Miesrs hadn't been there. All those cracks and patch jobs since made the whole thing more fragile. He's again patched it to some degree after that, but there are literally big pieces missing.

One more solid blow, one more hammer strike to the Backwash's ideals from this man, will utterly shatter his credibility beyond repair. We on the progressive side are doing a damn fine job in winning over the center, especially in the last few months due to our sudden focus on beating the drums. But nothing, I'm sad to say, will happen without Bush's base crumbling beneath him

[eridani]

59. Collapse? Bush is doing a fine job for the people who bought him

As the Sociopath in Chief sez to the rest of us "Who cares what you think?"

[Renew Deal]

60. Schiavo

That's when things started to turn against the pukes.

[Kurovski]

61. Katrina.

It became clear, at the most basic human level, that Bush & Co. just don't care.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

62. The day that the CIA formally requested that the DoJ launch....

...a criminal investigation into the outing of Valerie Plame. Just like the first stories about Watergate, the Plame story was believed to be a non-starter.

From that point on, a non-stop pattern of leaks has shredded the NeoCon Junta. Add in the Katrina disaster, the growing dissatisfaction with the illegal war in the Middle East, and the tanking of the U. S. economy, and the NeoCon Junta may be toast.

The only thing I fear at the moment is a nuclear attack launched on Iran. Being able to predict anything from that point on is almost totally impossible.

[Catrina]

64. Imo, it started when Sen. Boxer stood up and refused to legitimize the

election. That put a dent in his 'win' and his arrogance when he told us how powerful he was.

Social Security ~ his multiple state tour was a total failure. The people won that round.

Bernie Kerik, a disastrous nomination ~ it made him look imcompetent

Then, the War. Each time he had a PR event, like the 'purple fingers' that gave people hope, the news from Iraq just kept getting worse. Each new PR event was less and less believable.

Terri Schiavo ~

Cindy Sheehan ~ had he just met with her, it would never have exploded the way it did. He looked like a man who was afraid of the mother of a dead soldier and it dragged on and on, as he hid from her.

Katrina was devastating. He was running from Cindy when Katrina struck. That wiped out his administration's claim of being the security administration. People I know who voted for him were stunned by the images and the total inaction of the administration. TV did its job for once before they were able to control it.

Brownie ~ he had to back down which most people thought he never did.

Harriet Myers ~ again, another back down after assurances that he would not. These two events make him look weak and blew his PR image.

Abramoff
Libby indictment and all that came out about the lies that led to war.

But all those events didn't really do much to his base, except for Harriet Myers. What eroded the base was his attitude towards the Border and the final straw for the base was the Dubai Port deal.

Duke Cunningham, Tom Delay, the Enron trials, Cheney's shooting accident, Defense Contractor scandal!

The Generals' revolt ~ and more and more people speaking out against the war.

The tipping point which affects people across the board is the rise in Gas prices, imo. For those who didn't pay attention to anything, they know about this ~ he said the Iraq war would keep gas prices down.

Anyone else would be out of office by now. The news just keeps getting worse. Were it anyone else, I would bet that he won't finish his term.

Coming up there are only more indictments to look forward to, maybe even Cheney himself, Rove, Hadley and in the Pentagon Spy trials a real possibility of revelations of treason.

His administration has been the worst in living memory so far ~ the cuts in all programs, pushed through by his hitman Tom Delay are being felt everywhere ~ I don't see how he can last.

[Itchinjim]

65. Schiavo.

When my devoutly Catholic, moderate Republican sister said "Let the poor woman go for mercy's sake!" while watching coverage of the Schiavo mess, I knew then that the wheels were coming loose.

[patcox2]

78. 100% agreed, Schiavo.

I posted at the time, said "this is it, the tipping point." Katrina was a disaster, but Schiavo destroyed his credibility.

[caledesi]

66. Katrina because it was on the TeeVee...everybody could see

it!

[Alexodin]

68. Perhaps Katrina was a turning point for some to leave the

backwash behind but Schiavo was an intense crisis for the freeps.

Their fucked up minds don't work the same way yours and mine do, I didn't give a good goddamn about Shiavo I knew she was dead already but to the fundies it was the end of the world.

Keep this in mind, they don't care about the same things you and I care about. Treason is ok violating the Constitution is fine and dandy but the price of gas whoa now thats fighting territory.

The republicans don't care about the lies that led us into an illegal war (high treason) they care about Arabs owning our ports.

What the republicans care about has very little to do with what we care about. We aren't trying to woo progressives, we already have the most incredible galvanization of progressives ever, we are talking about people who need to know that their dictator would just as soon sell them into slavery making flags in China as give them the time of day.

If they only knew that Shrub had sold their precious bomb making defense industries to Dubai maybe they would care about that.

Still its a far cry from realizing that * is the enemy of every American no matter what party creed or persuasion.

[oasis]

69. Katrina: That's when they began to doubt that Bush really cared. The

appointment of inept cronies to vital posititions, shared the spotlight.

[sweetheart]

71. The iraq invasion

Barbarrossa was the turning point for hitler, and
no matter that things apparently went well for the initial invasion,
Bush erected the neocon political gravestone when he made that call.

In chess, that iraq invasion was a hasty opening, one that was not
fully prepared, and ever since, they've been trying to catch up
their error. Cindy Sheehan was the first "check". Since then there
are many checks, like colbert.

Checkmate is short on, the ending of the political careers and
the parties of all involved. neocon'ism is dead; bliar's new labour is dead;
berlusconi's bullshit is gone, howard and koizumi have yet to pay.

[Jim Warren]

88. Yes

and the slow realization afterward of the lies told to get us there.

[DemonFighterLives]

72. Great Thread and many good ideas

but what seems to be missing is the media's role. When little jeffy gannon(a good top) was weeded out, the whole pool woke up and scotty mcClellan's little lies were exposed more and more.

It is only the lack of a major event like 911 that is allowing all of the "chatter" to accumulate. May God forbid any more dubco scams like 911 or dirty nukes to befall us. The sheeple would be right back in dubco's pocket the minute we are terrorized again. He needs to come down and some adults put in charge before the next event and while the press is awake.

he* still seems to be given the benefit of the doubt, but his attempt at hiring Kissinger for the 911 coverup was his major unveiling. Many were asleep.
:dem:

[Lexingtonian]

73. The Kerry/Bush debates

created the near-stalemate. The Schiavo thing broke it. Katrina and the Samarra mosque bombing and Abramoff left them running for cover.

[CJCRANE]

76. George Galloway

standing up to Norm Coleman in the Senate marked a turning point here on DU.
That was the first tiny crack in the neocons' armor. Schiavo, Cindy, Katrina all came after that (as far as I recall).

[RedSpartan]

77. "Brownie, you're doing a heckuva job."

While they were hurting at that point, I really think that sentence was the straw that broke the camel's back, and showed all (ok, all but 32%) of America irrefutably just how out of touch and incompetent BushCo is.

[gasperc]

79. social security

shiavo whacked the congress but didn't seem to dent, maybe knicked, Bush a bit, it was the social security debacle that really drew blood

and the DEMS wised up and became an opposition party again, even Ben Nelson saw Jesus and now he has a 70% approval and it coasting to re-election in Nebraska

[Javaman]

80. When they fucked with the 2000 election...

for me that was the day they made the biggest mistake ever. History will show that as the starting point. think about it, if it wasn't for LIHOP 9/11, his residency would have been nothing but one lack luster piece of bullshit after another. But 9/11 changed everything alright, the repukes felt a sense of self entitlement and that was simply their downfall.
This country will right itself again but it will take a long time to basically unfuck all the bullshit moron* has slimed on us.

[Imagevision]

81. Losing Rove and the House & Senate will be his demise...

Lame-duck-boy along with his lame-duck-VP will for the most part remain irrelevant thru 2008, I see Bush to start making countless trips back to Crawford with not much to do in Washington.

[KAT119]

82. NO WMD'S IN IRAQ THEN KATRINA

[Scriptor Ignotus]

83. Harriet Miers

because that was when millions of conservatives realized their leader was a moron.

The left had figured that out before Bush even got elected. All the other debacles, Iraq, Katrina, and Schiavo etc, just add to the collapse.

[Joe Chi Minh]

85. The turning point was before the last (s)election. If the election

not been fraudulent, Kerry would have led a very strong Democratic party of government; and the Republican party would have been in ruins.

What am I saying....? Before the 2000 (s)election, after which Gore would have occupied the Oval Office.

[Cronus Protagonist]

86. Michael Moore dissing Bush on the Oscars - he didn't get killed

Once the cat was out of the bag that they can't do anything to you if you're rich, more rich and famous people stood up so that the climate of "Bush can do no wrong" was punctured by Moore AND his documentary. Prior to that, most people were scared to publicly dissent.




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[katty]

87. Katrina & Cindy

[enid602]

89. Reid

I think it was when Harry Reid was in LV, talking to high school students (with press unknowingly within earshot), and he called Bush, Jr a 'loser.' That was a first.

[Initech]

90. The gay marriage debate

Sure, the war in Iraq was a fucking idiotic idea from day one, but the gay marraige debate was what really made me realize these people are, have always been, and always will be completely full of shit. I mean, never in my life have I ever seen something so stupefying that both sides of the brain shut down and go "LET'S FIGURE IT OUT!!!"

On one hand we have John Cornyn trying to equate gay marriage with a guy having sex with a turtle.

On the other hand, we have Jerry Falwell saying that children's cartoon characters are gay and that Budweiser is gay for advertising in gay magazines.

Oh and then there's uber-idiot Rick Santorum who said that gay marriage was the same thing as man-on-dog sex.

And these are some of our elected representatives.

:argh:

[NewJeffCT]

91. They haven't collapsed yet

Bush is giving himself authority to break laws at will. Do you really think they care about Iraq or New Orleans or anything other than consolidating their own power?

If the Democrats win both the House & Senate next year, then I will believe that the collapse has started.

However, until we can get a few voices besides Keith Olberman & Colbert & Stewart on our side, it is way too early for me to think of Team Bush as collapsing.

[Zynx]

92. Terri Schiavo. It's the inflection point in the GOP's fortunes.

They've never looked back since then.

[rinsd]

94. Katrina....everything else could be written off by most Americans (Nt)

[hopeisaplace]

97. I agree with many others here: KATRINA.

[Quantess]

98. Katrina.

Everyone seemed horrified at the utter ineptness and complete lack of concern shown by the * Administration.
Even Faux's Shepherd Smith was disgusted.

[mondo joe]

99. Schiavo case was the first big crack, Sheehan was another, Katrina broke

through.

[renate]

100. Katrina

I don't think it would have had the same effect on Bush in the era before 24-hour news.

Tens of millions of people watched non-stop wall-to-wall coverage of nothing but the horror and the total absence of help or attention from the government. If we'd only had a half hour of evening news per day, the impact would have been the same as that of all the other horrible things this administration has done that were recorded on paper but not on film--we'd have known about it intellectually but it wouldn't have been felt.