can impeachment prevent war on iran?

[mopinko]

could a credible threat of impeachment stop the war machine now being cranked up for iran? how many jefferson's resolutions would it take to start to gum up the works? would the ease/difficulty of passage make a difference in the effect? what sort of show of popular support would help/hurt such a proposition?
if you think that such a movement would slow the march to the next war, sign the petition in my sig. and please add your comments when you sign.

[kaygore]

1. Iran set up its own oil market to compete with NYC and London AND

sells the oil in Euros and not dollars. There is NO way that the oilmen who control this country will let Iran get away with this as it threatens the economic control that the U.S. has on oil. Iraq was getting ready to change from the dollar to the Euro, too.

In the end, it is all about power and control.

[mopinko]

2. thanks for your comments, but

i would like to hear your opinion on the question. i agree with you completely that we are screeching toward war, world war III. only extreme measures will stop it.

[benburch]

3. No.

In fact, a War would be used to attempt to derail impeachment.

But that is not a reason not to do it as the war is inevitable. The start date, according to my sources, is June 7th.

[mopinko]

6. yeah, i know that.

hell, war has been his suit of armor. what i think might happen, tho, is that foreign leaders would be emboldened to oppose him.

[DanCa]

4. We need a three pronged attack on Rove, Chimpy, and Cheney.

Once the triple threat is gone there will be peace, hopefully.

[mopinko]

8. you are an optomist, then, eh?

i think it will take a generation of concerted effort to root out these criminals, now many layers thick. but i will settle for upsetting their apple cart on iran.

[Joe Fields]

5. the impeachment process would move far too slowly,

to prevent the quick run-up to a war with Iran that I fear is just right around the corner.

First, you cannot draw up articles of imeachment without having allegations having been properly investigated. It took six months to fiinish investigating the first two allegations in the Watergate hearings. It may take years to fully investigate Bush.

No, I'm afraid he will wage war long before he becomes mired down in investigations.

[mopinko]

7. i don't mean will impeaching him stop the war.

i mean, will a vocal and viable impeachment movement interfere with the power dynamics that are currently in motion.

[LSK]

15. no

It would have to be concrete for them to stop whatever they plan. They dont give a damn about us peasants.

[rustydog]

9. Impeachment would probably speed up an attack

[mopinko]

10. so if we just mind our manners,

everything will be ok?

[annabanana]

24. They are already on a fast-track

They are pushing on all cylinders already..

[KAT119]

11. Threatening a pre-emptive nuclear strike is a war crime in International

Criminal Court-and worthy of immediate indictment!

[marla101]

12. YES! YES! YES!

If the democrats would just go on the offense for a change- it would stop Bush in his tracks!

As it is they just go with whatever Bush wants to talk about. Some democrats seem to be pressing for getting involved in Darfur! :wtf: We have made a mess in Iraq, they are talking about nuking Iran....many of our own veterans are homeless on the streets! :wtf: :wtf: As Dennis Kucinich says we have our own weapons of mass destruction here at home.

Dems need to FOCUS!

IMPEACH BUSH NOW! All we need is illegal wiretapping. Get him on the run. Use the momentum of Neil Young's "let's impeach the president for lying" and Colbert's stunning example of how to speak truth to power. Do something dammit.

The more this goes on, the more it seems that they are stalling for Bush, for PNAC's plan. They have spent so much time planning for this. Is it possible that they have planted the 'opposition'?

[mopinko]

19. planted? no

co-opted, yes. big money took over long ago. many dems are on the dark side, not just holy joe.

[Jack Rabbit]

13. Depends on whether we get him first

[LSK]

14. i dont see impeachment happening this year

It would come about a year from now at the earliest. I fear that it would come too late.

I pray they do not do anything in Iran. And Im not very religious.

[mopinko]

17. not completed impeachment,

of course that would stop them. i am saying a real impeachment movement, with multiple resolutions like those pending in illinois, california and vermont. a people's movement, with broad and vocal support, and real, legally binding resolutions.
this is already happening. i grant that the one in illinois is not likely to emerge from committee before the end of the term. but what if it did? what if bus loads of us descended upon springfield, and it was voted out as a result.
and what if several other states did the same. just hypothetically, what would it take? could it change the course?
the big thing i see is that his (few) international allies would think differently if it looked like the regime was about to change. and his many opponents would be emboldened.

[LSK]

20. i dont think it would matter to him

He doesnt care about what the little people think. He doesnt even care what Congress thinks.

As far as the coalition of the willing - dont you know America can go it alone? :sarcasm: (i know we cant, but do the Neocons in power?)

[Cleita]

16. It wouldn't hurt to try.

I just wish for once the military brass will refuse to go without authorization from Congress, which is written in the Constitution. I think they could pull it off because I don't think Congress will authorize war this time. Many of the Republicans aren't going for it.

[mopinko]

18. would the brass be emboldened?

would they have the courage to say no, if they thought the end was nigh?

[Cleita]

21. I don't know. I don't think they are very good at thinking

outside the box with all that indoctrination they get about following orders.

[mopinko]

22. there are rumblings

i might manage to go see john murtha at a town hall meeting this weekend. i hope to get in a question about this.
yes, they are indoctrinated, but they are also indoctrinated with the geneva convention. they cannot think nuking iran would be a legal order.

[paparush]

23. I was in a bookstore yesterday...

and there on the New Release Shelf, right as you come in the store, was this focking book about IRAN'S NUCLEAR THREAT - THEY HAVE THE BOMB AND THEY ARE READY TO USE IT {{serious paraphrasing there}}

I was floored. I should have talked to the manager, but didn't.

This book was basically a Bush** Co scare advertisement, when the best estimates put Iran 5-10 years from being able to make bomb #1.

It really pissed me off.

[mopinko]

25. i emailed my senators the other day

someone posted a link here, about iran. i got a reply from dick durbin that was basically- yes, i swallowed it all. we should be afraid. i am so sick of every one of these fuckers.
the question- is what is the antidote to fear? i would like to think truth, but that does not really seem to be it.
i am really believing that the plans are underway, and we will be dropping the big one soon. i can't stand it.