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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:04 AM
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Why is this not talked about, am I crazy here?
If terror is neither a person or place how do you counter it with force. Looks to me like the first thing needed would be to study and to understand the root cause, then address said cause. By using force you are just throwing fuel on the fire. Blowing things up and killing people is not the reasons, its just a symptom, a tool if you will.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:13 AM
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1. You're right. People w/no job & no future have nothing to lose.
And that is the group targeted by the extreme mullahs/terrorist groups. This war in Iraq has created another group of converts - anyone whose family/friends have been "collateral" damage to the US war effort. How many pro-US residents or former residents of Fallujah are there? I would bet none. This has been pointed out by political scholars for years, but I guess there's just a lot more money to be made by HalliburtonCheney et al w/ good old-fashioned war.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:18 AM
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2. It's a philisophical difference
Conservatives believe in evil as innate, not as created by circumstances. If you are a bad person, you will do bad things, no matter what conditions you are placed in.

Also focusing on how poverty creates crime and terrorism may lead towards sympathy with said terrorists (and implicate our own corporations).

So they prefer not to look at such issues if they can get out of it.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:19 AM
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3. Yes, I agree. Terrorism--which might be defined as using violence
against innocent civilians to accomplish some other purpose--and as we commonly use it, to mean the relatively small scale violence that Islamic jihadists engage in (as opposed, say, to "shock and awe" bombing of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis)--is a police problem and a social problem, NOT a military problem. The trouble is that war profiteers are the ones who are really driving Bush junta policy, and what war profiteers do is manufacture wars.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:20 AM
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4. Why do you hate America?
You are now officially under NSA surveillance
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:36 AM
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6. I wouldn't doubt that being true for some time now
but I'll not slink away

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:21 AM
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5. you are exactly right
it`s alot easier to wage war than to practice peace
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:41 AM
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7. terror is ALL about control with fear AND the making of........
the ALMIGHTY dollar. 'Terra' has allowed bush to have things pretty much his way during his reign and IT is the one issue that got this guy reelected in 2004. bushco has pumped hundreds of billions of dollars into the military industrial complex because of 'terra'. bushco has also created a whole NEW 'anti-terra' industrial complex to supposedly prevent future attacks, while at the same time doing little or nothing to secure our borders. Unfortunately, the USA has made a lot of commitments and a lot of promises to other countries and other people over the decades only to renege later; this animosity toward the USA has been building over a very long time and we have ourselves to blame for allowing IT to happen. bushco has drastically increased the animosity toward the USA by their reprehensible and deceitful actions and attacks and it will take a very long time to straighten out the mess they have created.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:46 AM
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8. "terror" is an emotion.
You counteract terror by controlling your emotions and understanding what it is that is causing you to be terrified. You then may act to reduce the fear in some rational manner. Terrorism is engaging in actions intended to induce mass fear - to act to terrorize a population. Terrorism is a military tactic or strategy.

The bush cabal uses terror to justify their agenda, which agenda appears to involve three major and related goals: 1) creation of a theocracy in the former republic of the united states of america; 2) division of the republic into an elite kleptocracy in charge of the theocracy and deriving enormous wealth and power from their control, and an increasingly impoverished peasant-worker class providing services to the elites; 3) establishment of a planetary empire securely in control of the dwindling supply of cheap energy resources, the control of which will enable the elites to fund their regime. The terrorist strike against the WTC was critical to the cabal's plans: without it none of what has transpired since then would have been possible.

We can counteract the terror that has gripped the population of this country very simply: we need to remove the bush cabal from power and we need to reform our government so that the corrupting influence of wealth and power can never again be used to pervert it.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:56 AM
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9. It is talked about here sometimes... I don't know why it isn't more
in the realm of public discussion. I think the "war on terror" is more about concepts such as "oil" and "empire", and any notion of victory means keeping control of Middle Eastern oil until said oil runs out. I don't have the URL for PNAC, but you can find out all their plans there on their website.

This quote (from a bumpersticker or Noam Chomsky?) comes to mind:

We're making enemies faster than we can kill them.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 10:03 AM
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11. sure we are, or I should say bush* is
These people already have a grievance with us and by bombing the shit out of them killing all in the wake is only adding to the problems. If tactics aren't changed it will consume all countrys before its all said and done. I'm just a dumb assed okie and I know that.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:59 AM
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10. It fits a long tradition
We've had an ongoing war against inanimate objects for years (the war on drugs). Why not have a war against an emotion?
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 10:04 AM
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12. Stop being logical.
Why do you hate America?!? Why?
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 10:07 AM
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13. The so called war on terror...
will never end. Therefore the president can remain above the law of the land forever! How sweet is that? :mad:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 10:15 AM
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14. welcome to the DU
I'm convinced this little asswipe has no intention of leaving the White House or Iraq.

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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 10:45 AM
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15. Maybe I'm a little tinfoil hat but
I agree, he either has no intention of leaving office or the repugs have a plan to never allow anyone but them to hold the presidency. This thought has been in my mind since they (I believe) stole 2004. Paint me silver. Thanks for the welcome.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 11:30 AM
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16. watch out- your gonna get slammed by those
like cheney who believe responding in a rational manner to irratioal actions - Remember his 'dis' about the 'dems' wanting to respond to 9/11 with anything other than more outrageous violence???
If only the 'dems' HAD suggested that- only one that i know of did-

And NO- you are not crazy- crazy is doing the exact thing over and over and over and over and wondering why it doesn't work-
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