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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:16 PM
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Even CHERTOFF looks down on Alito (re: Alito on strip-searching girl)
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 03:17 PM by StefanX
We all know that Alito argued IN FAVOR of strip-searching a ten-year-old girl (and her mother) WITHOUT a warrant. We all know WHY he was in favor of this -- because he's an insecure asswipe who sucks up to power.

What you might NOT have known about this case:

The MAJORITY opinion (against strip-searching the girl) was written by none other than Michael Chertoff -- yup, the crony from hell who would eventually preside over the loss of New Orleans.

So there's a soundbite we should be using on Alito:

"Even CHERTOFF thinks Alito is an idiot."


Chertoff criticized Alito's views as threatening to "transform the judicial officer into little more than the clich 'rubber stamp.'"

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/1/10/143126/033#readmore

Why isn't this soundbite out there? If the shoe were on the other foot, the rightwingers would be screaming this all over the airwaves. But, as usual, not a peep out of our side, except here on DU.

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:18 PM
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1. How do we get this information to the Senators on the Committee?
n/t
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:20 PM
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2. e-mail it to them.
Peace.
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:20 PM
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3. Eventually Congress will be disbanded in favor of websites like this one
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 03:30 PM by StefanX
Until then, I have no idea how to reach them. They are the most unwired people in the modern world. Out of touch and bereft of ideas and inspiration.

Yeah, I can call their aide and ask them to pass on my point. Problem is, the hotter the topic, the less likely it is you'll get through.

The Alito confirmation hearings are probably one of the hottest topics in many a year. And borking him should be a no-brainer -- just remind everyone that he's in favor of

WARRANTLESS STRIP-SEARCHING OF 10-YEAR-OLD GIRLS.

And then throw in the fact that he wrote a DISSENT on the case and the majority opinion was from CHERTOFF -- who called Alito a RUBBER STAMP.

Pretty much cuts across all ideological lines, doesn't it?

But trust our Dem Senators to one last time seize defeat from the jaws of victory.

Hey, not that we'll have to watch this spectacle much more. This is pretty much the last episode, isn't it? Congress can just go home now -- not only did Bush bypass them on the wiretapping -- he's bypassed them on 500 other occasions too, with his little "signing statements" he attaches to all the laws they pass. (Hey, Strict Constructionists Who Can't Find A Right To Privacy Or To Abortion In The Constitution -- where the hell does it mention SIGNING STATEMENTS?)

Chertoff is ON THE RECORD calling Alito a RUBBER STAMP -- and this goes to the HEART of Alito's character, sucking up to the power-that-be because he's such a damned scaredy-cat wimp... and the ONLY people who know about this is a few people on MyDD and on DU.


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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:37 PM
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7. They do have it -Kennedy brought it up today-VIDEO
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:44 PM
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9. Well I am actually impressed
Kennedy really seems to be going after this guy.

So I guess the Dems have brought up these points. Now, maybe we'd get to hear them if networks like MSNBC could manage to put a Dem on the air to comment, instead of their winger lineup. (Check today's MediaMatters.org -- MSNBC had four commentators on re: Alito -- all of them conservative.)

Thanks a lot, "liberal" media.

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RedStateHell Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:26 PM
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4. I am no fan of Alito
but I am not getting the the strategic value of using this issue? I just think this will backfire. No one wants to see a young girl strip searched but common sense will dictate, even to Joe Six Pack, that if a ten year old girl is off limits, then a ten year old girl will be the drug mule or the delivery girl for plutonium, what have you. I think we need to leave this issue alone.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:32 PM
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5. welcome to DU !!...n/t
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:37 PM
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6. Again, the key word is WARRANTLESS
Funny, how that word keeps coming up lately?

The girl was searched without a WARRANT from a judge.

You believe the drug dealer is going to use the kid as a mule? Fine, get a warrant.

Otherwise, what's to stop some creep cop from getting his jollies off strip-searching a ten-year-old-girl and her mother on the spur of the moment?

Oh, and by the way (notwithstanding your curious reference to "the plutonium") it's not like we're talking about interrogating a suspect who KNOWS WHERE THE BOMB IS THAT'S ABOUT TO GO OFF. We're talking about trying to track down a few grams of blow. Yeah, so the cops might not get their hands on those few grams if they don't get to strip-search the girl in this case... but it's not like a whole city is going to go up in flames or something. Take the loss, let the girl go (even though you THINK the dealer's using her as a mule)... and get a fricking warrant next time if searching the whole damn household is so damn important.

What the hell is it about RULE OF LAW that some people have such a hard time understanding?

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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:42 PM
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8. You're "no fan of Alito"
but you sure seem to be going to great lengths to apologize for him on a very clear-cut issue that could HURT him very badly -- with people on BOTH sides of the aisle.

Most CONSERVATIVES actually support warrants, rule of law, and privacy, and would be uncomfortable with strip-searching a ten-year-old.

And even CHERTOFF publicly ridiculed Alito on this one, calling the guy a "rubber stamp".

But you "aren't getting the strategic value of using this issue"? You think it will "backfire"?

That's either out-of-touch or disingenuous. The whole point of my post is that is was too much even for CHERTOFF.

And lay off the plutonium scenario. This was a drug case -- not a terrorism case.

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RedStateHell Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:04 PM
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10. I don't see
how I am aplogizing. I am only saying I don't know if this is the issue that will resonate with the public. I could be wrong. I tend to think hammering home the right of a woman to choose and his frightening comments about the power of the executive to be more powerful. But, I could be wrong--I guess we will see.

I work with the general public quite a bit. I think I have a pretty good read on their pulse.
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:53 PM
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11. I think you're totally misreading this.
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 04:55 PM by StefanX
If you do have so much more experience working with the public, perhaps you could explain to us how stories involving girls being stripped naked by cops, and rightwing celebrity idiots bashing rightwing celebrity idiots, DOESN'T resonate with the public in your experience?

There are a few concrete things that those of us who "work with the public" and engage in political debate have learned:

(1) Anything involving a cop stripping a young innocent female "resonates". And that goes for liberals and conservatives.

(2) Anything involving "privacy" resonates. Again, on both sides of the aisle. (See "Safire, William".)

(3) Anything involving "rule of law" resonates. And these days, the word "warrantless" resonates.

(4) And finally, anytime you get a celebrity asshole (Chertoff) calling another celebrity asshole (Alito) basically, well... an asshole... that "resonates". Anytime you get a rightwinger criticizing a fellow rightwinger -- that resonates.

That's my argument. If your experience with the public shows that stories involving young girls getting stripped by cops without a warrant DON'T "resonate", and that it doesn't "resonate" when one conservative idiot calling another conservative idiot an idiot... it would be more effective to share those experiences with us, rather than claiming that you "work with the public a lot".

I think you totally misread the public pulse. The "power of the executive" (while VERY important) is abstract to many people, and a "woman's right to choose" (while also VERY important) is very controversial.

But strip-searching 10-year-old girls without a warrant -- that's a simple easy issue anyone can sink their teeth into... and it could easily sink Alito. If you only have a few seconds to talk to a total stranger about why Alito is dangerous, I would recommend starting with this -- not with the unitary executive or with reproductive rights.

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