Gay rights is a feminist issue

[ismnotwasm]

I won't go into one of my stream of conscienceness diatribes, but I want to say the ruling in California today is a fight feminists everywhere need to take up.

What feminists are, besides tireless advocates and fucking warriors for equal rights for women everywhere, are anti racist, anti-sexist,anti-hate and pro-human rights

Denying Human rights to Gays is so wrong I don't have the words (And I always have words)I hope everyone who comes to this group does one small thing or big thing in this fight. Write a letter, send a email, send five bucks, join a protest. Whatever we can do we should do.

To my Gay friends, both the ones in my personal life and the ones I've never met, my heart is broken for you. I will never have to experience what you're experiencing, but I can feel disgust for the hate-filled and extreme sorrow for those who were told today that their love means less, their commitment isn't real, their value as human beings is negligible. Yes, it's that bad.

Edit; http://www.now.org/press/05-09/05-26b.htmlte, (I was waiting for the statement from NOW)
NOW Denounces California Supreme Court Ruling Upholding Prop 8:
Same-Sex Couples' Constitutional Right to Marriage Denied

"Today's decision by the California Supreme Court to uphold Prop 8 is a devastating setback, but I believe it will be another galvanizing moment in the struggle for equal marriage," said NOW President Kim Gandy. "We commend the court for allowing to stand the 18,000 same-sex marriages that took place under the court's earlier decision."

"NOW members will be out in force at protests in California and across the country Tuesday and in coming days. And we will continue working to right this wrong," said Gandy
The National Organization for Women, California NOW and the Feminist Majority had submitted a joint amicus curiae brief to the court in support of the plaintiffs' challenge to the validity of the Proposition 8 ballot measure, which passed at the polls last November by a slim margin.

NOW's friend of the court brief urged the court to rule that fundamental rights already protected by the California constitution, such as the right to marry, cannot be taken away by popular vote. We argued that upholding Prop 8 would set a dangerous precedent that would leave no fundamental right -- including the right to equal protection and the right to privacy on which many women's rights hinge -- safe from the whims of a bare majority.

[ThomCat]

1. Thank you.

Yes it is.

Homophobia is a child of misogyny.

[MountainLaurel]

6. Absolutely

What a succinct way of phrasing it, Thom!

[blueraven95]

2. I agree

In my opinion, the two are irrevocably tied up together, and until both are solved, neither will be. Both misogyny and homophobia are about keeping people within established gender and sexual roles.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

3. Thank you

I know a few times it was brought up in here and shot down.

[Starry Messenger]

4. I totally agree.

Straight woman here. Allowing other oppressed groups to get rolled over on is anti-Movement IMO. I'm thrilled to see the statement from Kim Gandy.

[Chovexani]

5. It certainly is

And I'm glad feminists are on board with this. But if there is one area we are still sorely lacking in it is support for the trans community. A vast majority of the crap transpeople go through, particularly transwomen, can be traced to the gender crap we fight all the time as feminists.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

7. I agree 100%

[femrap]

8. Is feminism a gay rights issue? nt

[ismnotwasm]

9. Not particularly-- that I've ever noticed

One could be pro-gay rights and anti-feminist simultaneously. I've met a soul or two like that.

I always chalked it up to male privilege, patriarchy, rigid gender roles and wholesale demonizing of feminists themselves. With the under topics of beauty culture and rape culture among others.

[femrap]

10. Times certainly have changed....

used to be the gay community and the feminists were allies against the rich nasty straight boyz.

I've met a couple of young women who thought it was OK for gay marriage but were anti-choice. I realized I needed to make plans to live somewhere in the country as a hermit. lol!

[He loved Big Brother]

15. One definitely can be both.

:: waves at Dan Savage ::

[Hello_Kitty]

11. Differences between homophobia and garden-variety misogyny are purely cosmetic

Gays are hated by fundies and wingnuts because they are a living, breathing challenge to rigid sex roles.

Good for NOW for joining the gay rights protests. This ruling is effed-up on so many levels. Denying gays the right to marry is sex discrimination and religious bigotry.

[bluedawg12]

12. Institutionalized oppression of one group is of concern and at issue

to other oppressed groups.

[omega minimo]

13. Suggesting women's rights and gay rights are intertwined and would benefit as a coalition

has been a total non starter on DU.

IMHO the rigidity of traditional gender roles is at the heart of the resistance to same sex marriage. Seems that addressing that by supporting and defending women's rights and rights of all to be who they are, would help the gay marriage efforts.

[femrap]

14. So true...

We lost many of the gay male generation who allied with feminists to AIDS. I lived through that.

I guess the 'divide and conquer' has worked just like TPTB wanted it to.

[bliss_eternal]

16. additionally...

...we have glbt members who have no qualms about race baiting, slurring other minority groups and being blatantly sexist in threads---frequently in threads discussing "their rights." wtf is that about?

Um, excuse me? Can you advocate for your rights without kicking another minority in the process? Or is that too fucking much to ask?

:grr::mad: