An experiment in Email Forwarding

[WolverineDG]

While I'm not surprised that I didn't think of this earlier (too much on my mind, from a busted outdoor faucet to a whiny waterpump in the car that needed fixing this weekend), has anyone considered the theory that Keith may have indeed responded to those emails, but his responses were changed? I've been able to do this in the past with forwarded emails in some of my email applications, especially to take out the names of other recipients.

Then our lovely SharonRB sent me a "please vote for Nancy" email & I just had to try it. Here, without headers/footers, or the other names, is the ORIGINAL EMAIL:

Hello, Everyone

I'm working on Nancy Skinner's campaign to unseat Joe Knollenberg in
the
U.S. House from Michigan's 9th district in November. Democracy for
America
(DFA) is conducting a poll to find out which candidate around the
country
should become their next All Star. Nancy is in the top 5 and this
Monday,
June 19, is the runoff vote. Winning will mean a lot of money for
Nancy's
campaign.

It will just take a minute, but you must vote between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m.
Eastern time on Monday. If you want to learn more about Nancy and her
views
on the issues, go to www.skinnerforcongress.com. She's a strong
progressive
candidate with a strong voice and a great background. She will make a
great
addition to the House.

PLEASE HELP NANCY SKINNER -- IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE TO VOTE
IN
THIS POLL.

REMEMBER, YOU CAN ONLY VOTE FROM 9-5 ET ON MONDAY, JUNE 19.
Go here to vote:
http://tools.democracyforamerica.com/housevote/index.php?refid=8

Also, please respond to me and let me know if you voted.

Thanks, everyone.
Sharon

Now, here is my edited version (please note the differences):

Sharon Baseman <[email protected]> wrote: Hello, Everyone

I'm working on George Bush's campaign to unseat John Kerry in the
U.S. Presidential Election in November. Democracy for America
(DFA) is conducting a poll to find out which candidate around the country
should become their next All Star. George is in the top 5 and this Monday,
June 19, is the runoff vote. Winning will mean a lot of money for Bush's
campaign, as well as for the shareholders of Haliburton.

Also, please respond to me and let me know if you voted.

Thanks, everyone.
Sharon

PS. Michael Moore is a doody-head!

Fun, isn't it? Let's all email O'Reilly & forward his responses to Lloyd!
On edit: yes, I have the original emails, but I recommend you kids try this at home!
dg

[RevCheesehead]

1. Astonishing, isn't it?

That you can pretty much make the internets say whatever you want.

Got that, Agent Mike? :evilgrin:

[gkhouston]

2. if you checked all the mail header information, the message length

wouldn't tally though, now would it? I'm not saying things can't be spoofed, and depending on the mail software used that information might not be shown to the recipient (it would be someone in the guts of the system but not displayed).

Then again, how much of a factual basis do most of Grove's columns have?

[WolverineDG]

3. and how much of this do you think Lloyd or

the knuckledraggers know?

I'm sure we'll find out tomorrow night. I've got my :popcorn: ready.

dg

[Catchawave]

4. I didn't see email headers on the

link I posted in Berry's thread.....the one where some guy posted the emails? Not like the a'holes want to protect KO's privacy....hmmmm?

[Berry Cool]

5. There have been NO headers posted on ANY of the alleged KO e-mails.

And the truth of the matter is...the only REAL way to know where an e-mail originated is to check the headers. The FULL headers.

The "From:" line don't mean Shinola. That's rule number one. Just take a look at any spam you have received (assuming you have ever saved any). If you are like most people, you have probably received spam with a "From:" line that says you sent it to yourself!

Rule number two, from what I can see from reading the many Internets, is that the path is the hardest part of an e-mail to fake. The path of machines that an e-mail traveled to get from Point A to Point B is a giveaway as to whether or not it's a faker, and forging that is (according to hackers) not easy work. It takes someone who really knows what he/she is doing.

I would certainly think that MSNBC, or at least their technical staff, would know this, and would thus be easily able to determine, if they had the original headers, whether an e-mail was fake or not. But really, the easiest thing to do would be to go through KO's account (even if it felt to him as if he were being stripped naked), looking for said replies and attempting to retrieve any that might have been deleted by him (they're still there somewhere). If they can find no such things, or if they find such things but not from his account, then it should be an easy matter to say who they DID come from.

And if they don't find anything, they know they are dealing with fakes.

I'm still wondering why the "apology" supposedly issued by KO with no attribution from anyone at MSNBC attached. I'm also wondering about the vast lack of attention being paid to this whole thing by anyone other than the Daily News, Jossip and other gossip/political blogging sites. It's not as if any other outlets are jumping all over it with great vigor. That's extremely suspicious to me.

Something about this all smells to me of a KO who is, as the Dixie Chicks might put it, not all that "ready to make nice."

[Catchawave]

6. And dg proved it too !

Now I wouldn't be surprised if Keith didn't mention this "tag-team bumfu*kery" this week at all !?

Unless it's to put some new people at the top of the his Worst Person In the World segment :rofl:

IMHO, I think that Daily News guy enjoys the attention and that's what he's hoping :shrug:

Still fun, I'll be with you guys tommorrow night :evilgrin:

[Berry Cool]

7. Oh, he's got to address it.

If he doesn't, it all stands and everyone will assume that everything that has been said is correct as is.

If that's not the case, he has to say so.

[Catchawave]

8. Tween you, me, The Daily News and the KOEBies.....

Where did this *slime'o'rama* start ? Not on the MSM? DUer Bobcat had the DU Homepage, we had Jossip/Muffster.

It's a non-story based on a tabloid and an internet gossip post :shrug: Both love attention, good and bad ? (No offense Muffster, I'm just pedaling here...)

KO's vacation was obviously RUINED, that's my concern :hi:

[WolverineDG]

9. No, it just means that someone has finally learned

the lesson of Watergate: It's not the crime, it's the cover-up. KO said the emails were his, therefore Lloyd & the other knuckledraggers couldn't keep dragging the story out in the gossip rags. And if his responses were indeed changed, well, the whole set-up blows up in the faces of Lloyd & the knuckledraggers.

dg

[Berry Cool]

10. I do wonder if that's exactly what "my part" means.

As in "I shouldn't have answered them, because then I gave them stuff they could alter and mess around with and change the wording on."

All I know is, apparently no one else in the MSM aside from Howard Kurtz (and we can always count on that jacka--, can't we?) has picked up on this...and the KO-haters are just beside themselves. Talking about a double standard for him vs. Bill-O and so on. Of course, they try to comfort themselves with the idea that nobody cares about KO because he IS a nobody, but you can tell that they're really steamed. The Scut Farkases went whining to the teacher about getting beat up by Ralphie, and the world is largely treating it as "dog bites man" news. Really ticks 'em off.

So, while they ruined Keith's vacation, which is sad, don't expect this to be the end of it. They realize they haven't come up with enough yet to do the job they really intended to do: make things so embarrassing for MSNBC that they have no choice but to fire KO.

I expect them to retreat to their battle stations and attempt to come up with a better plan...preferably one involving sex. After all, they know from Billo that THAT works.

[gkhouston]

12. *did* KO say this?

Or is Grove saying KO said this? There's a difference, in my opinion.

[gkhouston]

11. you're quite right about the difficulty of faking the paths

but that apology doesn't sound like KO to me, either. Again, how much of a factual basis do Grove's articles tend to have? Who owns the Daily News these days? :think: