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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 08:26 AM
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My Indian blood
can't help but experience some schadenfreude at watching the demise of the great democracy.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 03:14 PM
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1. I agree with your sentiment 100%
if anarchy were ever to break out- which it will not, I'd love to see everything revert back to the old tribal form of government. If we ever do have a "shit hit the fan" moment, my happy ass is going to Pine Ridge.

Hoka Hey
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 09:03 PM
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7. God help me,
sometimes I hate this place.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 04:40 PM
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2. a quote from Vine Deloria ...
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 04:41 PM by CountAllVotes
I'll paraphrase ...

He contended that one day, America will return to the Red Man. Perhaps he was right.

:)

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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 06:18 PM
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3. actual quote ...
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 06:52 PM by CountAllVotes
"Intruders may hold sway for centuries, but they will eventually be pushed from the land or the land itself will destroy them".

Perhaps, as Deloria ascertains, one day, America will return to the red man.

Comments or thoughts re: this?
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:50 PM
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4. it would do my soul good. it makes my heart happy and it can't
happen fast enough. some days I am so weary of it all. I just hope the land does not destroy us in the process.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 10:47 PM
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5. I found the full citation ..
Edited on Thu Nov-15-07 10:55 PM by CountAllVotes
from "Custer Died for Your Sins", page 178 ...

"In transplanting Europe to these peaceful shores, the colonists violated the most basic principle of man's history: certain lands are given to certain peoples. It is these peoples only who can flourish, thrive, and survive on the land. Intruders may hold sway for centuries but they will eventually be pushed from the land or the land itself will eventually destroy them. The Holy Land, having been periodically conquered and beaten into submission by a multitude of invaders, today remains the land which God gave to Abraham and his descendants. So will America return to the red man."

To me this is a message of hope, a message of renewal and survival for those having Indian blood. Perhaps it is only the Indian people of America that are left, regardless of blood quantum I might add, that have the innate power to rebuild and restore our America. We as America's native peoples have a great responsibility before us as the keepers of this sacred land. We must do what is required to do. It is no time to walk away and say forget it, America is lost, lost forever. We have work to do and America is waiting for We the Real People of the United States to do the work before us no matter how difficult it may be or appear to be. Nothing can take that from us. Nothing.

You cannot live in the reality of the white Europeans and what they have done to America and its Native peoples for it is not all of you nor of me or any other Indian person either for that matter.

It is the blood, that blood of the Cherokee and the Choctaw that runs through my veins which gives me that innate connection to this land. Because of this, it is the only place that I can survive upon. This my friend also applies to you.

You might also consider reading Vine Deloria's book "God is Red". It is a similar type of message in a far more profound way.

Hang in there I say to you, my relation. Things will change soon, we know that much. How it will change we do not know but we must never forget that we play a vital and profound role in this upcoming change whether it is apparent to anyone or not.

Most importantly we must realize that we need to practice the art of patience, something that most Indian people have had to learn in their lives at one time or the other given the circumstances that we have been dealt as a people that were hopefully exterminated by this very same government that we are facing once again today.

We are the survivors and we will continue to survive and exist as that is the will of the land we live upon and our Creator. So as you see, by this fact alone, the Europeans have failed miserably for all to now see. This is what it has taken is my thought. Perhaps this is a new beginning for our America dare I suggest.

May the Creator guide you and help you and all of us that are feeling the pain of this earth. That is what we as Indian people are experiencing IMO, the pain of the earth.

CountAllVotes :)

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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:56 AM
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6. thank you for that.
I will look for this book. Peace~TA
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 02:20 PM
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8. It's a great book!
Definitely worth a read, should actually be on required reading lists for high schoolers, but I'm not holding my breath until that happens.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:15 PM
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9. My beloved brothers and sisters,
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:16 PM by discerning christian
I haven't written in this forum in some while, but I thought this may be of importance to you. It got my level of hope up! I don't know how to cut and paste the article, but on Yahoo news this evening, there was an article stating that Barack Obama, when he is President, will hold face to face meetings on a regular basis, with the Elders of ALL of the Tribes. He said it's not enough to rely on the methods of the past, and is looking forward to embracing the needs of our peoples!! GOBAMA!!!
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Iktomiwicasa Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:47 PM
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10. Thing is...
...we've heard all this before. In fact, we have reams and reams of promises in WRITING (treaties) that the gov ignored and discarded, so untill Obama actually DOES what he says he will do, color me a skeptic.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:58 PM
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12. Yes, I have to agree.
I am highly skeptical that Obama will DO anything, or any of them for that matter.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:44 PM
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13. I can't say that I blame you!
I have a hopeful feeling though. We soon will all find out. Peace!!
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Iktomiwicasa Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:48 PM
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11. The truth
is, that we native people have a relation to our land that no other can have, no matter how hard they wish for it.
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:50 PM
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14. This Democracy
was built on the bones of our ancestors. What ever happens to it has been earned. It is just now that they are learning a lesson we learned centuries ago. Bad immigration policies and greed are destroying the house of cards they've built.

We've learned to live for so long on so little that perhaps we will be all that remains. This society is driven by consumerism. Consumers who take but never return. Lets just pray that they don't destroy everything the Creator gave us in their death throes.
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Iktomiwicasa Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 05:25 PM
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15. We'll
be here long after "America" is a faded memory.
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