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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:51 PM
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Kerry's going to speak this afternoon
Just got this heads up:

    Senator Kerry is expected to speak about Iraq on the floor this afternoon. In his remarks, hell talk about Secretary Rumsfelds testimony this morning.


Don't know exactly when, though.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:15 PM
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1. Of course, my head may explode
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 01:16 PM by whometense
if I have to listen to DeMint go on for another 15 seconds...

How is it possible such nitwits can get elected?

Edited to add that perhaps the bloggers at Blue Mass Group ought to be forced to watch a parade of repug senate floor speeches before they are allowed to criticize Kerry again.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:20 PM
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5. I like that suggestion
Even 5 minutes of Demint for every time they want Kerry out would be enough!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:18 PM
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2. SPEAKING NOW n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:18 PM
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3. On now!
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 01:51 PM by karynnj
Countering the guy who when before him - though he had intended to speak on Iraq.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:19 PM
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4. God, wasn't that guy AWFUL????
a republican cartoon.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:21 PM
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6. I oddly turned the tv on only in the last 5 minutes of deMint
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 01:32 PM by karynnj
so I only heard him talk about stem cell research. Then I heard this lovely voice - that made up for it.

editted to identify pronoun as DeMint
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:24 PM
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7. I have the worst timing! Rats
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:28 PM
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8. still speaking now. n/t
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:23 PM
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16. doh!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:42 PM
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18. hahahahaha
Did you get to hear any of it??
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:31 PM
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9. Kerry
- countered De Mint - We;re not more secure, lack of health care.

- Kerry spoke of the funeral he went to and Baucus' nephew

- Spoke about how bad things are in Iraq - Need candor because it's the only way you can get other countries involved. The vast majority killed and wounded by IEDs - usually found only when they explode. Administration is denying reality. Congress needs to hold the administration accountable. They are sending more people into a civil war.

There is a civil war. Policy of standing up as Iraq stands up is a myth - because we're doing the opposite. The Iraqis say they can secure their country by end of year.

Lots of national guard not combat ready. Need to acknowledge there is a civil war. Iraqis killed mostly in sectarian violence.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:35 PM
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10. Thanks for the summary n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:43 PM
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12. Just wish I could type faster
He just said Rumsfeld said if there were a civil war, the Iraqis would deal with this.

He is comparing it to the escalation in Vietnam - he says with current approach it is highly unlikely that we will be pulling down the numbers even though Iraqis will be at full strength by end of year. Says the stand down when they stand up is flawed - there is no military solution. So, this slogan is as false as mission accomplished, we'll be greeted as liberators. Kerry is as angry as I have ever seen him.

Need to resolve the fundamental reason that Shiites and Sunnis are killing each other asn that is extensive diplomacy. Mentioned that pundits and politicians make fun of diplomacy. Used to be the first step. It's been absent.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:36 PM
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11. Wow - I wish I had been smart enough to put a tape in
Great speech - he is really calling Rumsfeld out!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:58 PM
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14. He was spitting his words out -
clearly, Rumsfeld's testimony this morning (most of which I saw - unspeakably arrogant) seriously pissed him off.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 08:16 PM
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24. He must have been really angry. At some point, he got confused between
Russia and the Soviet Union. But he really nailed the points concerning diplomacy. It was excellent.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:48 PM
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13. Speaking of diplomacy - like Bosnia
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 01:51 PM by karynnj
A real international compact is needed. It's the only strategy that can work. Bringing troops home is dependent on negotiating. He says other countries and the UN are waiting. Success depends on the international community. Regional security structure - should have been doing this in the region under 1559 to stabalize the region.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:07 PM
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15. Thanks for the heads up, Whometense
I missed the beginning, but tuned in when he started talking about Iraq, and then Israel and Lebanon. As I've taken time off from the news, it was nice to have the Senator himself bring me up to date on everything happening there. Interesting that now MORE American troops are going into Iraq, thereby killing any pre-election plans of reducing the numbers. I also am heartened that JK easily disregards the lefties who seem to only hate the violence of Israel, and not the fact that Hezbollah started the conflict. He's not politiking there -- Israel was attacked, and needed to defend herself. But he shows sympathy for the Lebanese. At first I was taken aback by Israel's agression, until I learned that Hezbollah had been going into Israel and launching attacks first. That goes to the heart of national security and no other country would have been criticized for defending themselves, had foreign fighters gone inside THEIR borders. As to the conduct of the war, I know very little -- maybe it's overkill, but from what I have heard, Hezbollah placed their rockets ON PURPOSE near civilians and under schools -- they fight dirty. So that's a tough situation.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:41 PM
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17. Hi beachmom!!!!
How are you?? Have you been away??? Or just "away"? We all need to take breaks these days...Nice to hear from you!!

I agree - I thought his speech said everything he needed to say. Rumsfeld just gave him the opening.

It always dazzles me the way he ties everything together - Iraq and Israel and Lebanon, and Senator Baucus's nephew and the funeral he attended yesterday and the mourning parents in Lebanon. His world view makes sense to me. I just wish he were the one in charge of all that diplomacy. I know he would not rest until he'd achieved what needs to be done.

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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 05:10 PM
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19. prepared text of the speech
John Kerry: Administration Sending U.S. Troops into Crossfire of Escalating Civil War



Below John Kerrys remarks on Iraq on the floor of the Senate this afternoon. In his remarks, Kerry spoke about Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfelds testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee this morning.



As prepared for delivery.



Mr. President, yesterday I was at Arlington National Cemetery for the funeral of Lance Corporal Geoffrey R. Cayer, a 20 year old from Massachusetts, and I was struck by the number of funerals taking place and the number of new headstones bearing the inscription Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom.



One of those among the fallen is Phillip Baucus, the nephew of our friend and colleague Sen. Baucus. Phillip was a proud and brave Marine Corps Corporal who gave his life serving his country last Saturday in Anbar Province in Iraq. He was an extraordinary young man, and I know from Max what he meant to his family and what a totally devastating blow this is to all of them. My prayers are for Phillip and every family which has endured this kind of monumental loss. Phillip and Lance Corporal Cayer and all those who have given their lives are a tough reminder to all of the incredible sacrifices Americas children are making every day.



Mr. President, with the violence in Iraq growing worse by the day, it was stunning to hear Secretary Rumsfeld come before the Armed Services Committee this morning with a laundry list of excuses and denials about what is happening there and its consequences for the region. General Abizaid candidly acknowledged that the sectarian violence is as bad as Ive seen it, that hes rarely seen the situation so unsettled and so volatile. He warned of coming civil war, and that failure to apply coordinated regional and international pressure ... will further extremism" and could lead to a widening and more perilous conflict.



But this morning Secretary Rumsfeld did not call for that kind of diplomacy, and he did not lay out a plan for that kind of leadership. Nor has President Bush reached out to undertake the kind of crisis diplomacy needed in Iraq or to leverage the regional pressure to stop Iraq from descending into irretrievable chaos.

No Secretary Rumsfeld announced that there's a number of good things happening amidst all of this difficulty, the currency is fairly stable, the schools are open, the hospitals are open, the people are functioning. Secretary Rumsfeld waxed optimistic about an Iraq where you see people out in the fields doing things and people driving their cars and lining up for gasoline and going about their business. He went on to say that despite all of the difficulties, there are also some good trend lines that are occurring, and I think the period ahead is an important period.



Mr. President, this is more than an important period, this may well be the moment that decides the security of the Middle East itself, and its time the Administration was candid about the situation and got to work on rescuing whats salvageable in Iraq.



With at least 2,578 Americans killed, over 19,000 wounded, and no end in sight, we simply cannot sit idly by as more of our kids die for a policy that isnt working. And we cannot be silent while this Administration continues to deny reality and repeat the same mistakes.



Ive said it before and Ill say it again: this Congress has a constitutional responsibility and a moral obligation to hold this Administration accountable for making the right choices for our troops and our country.



That starts with demanding honesty when it comes to the war in Iraq. Because the bottom line is that this Administration is sending more U.S. troops into the crossfire of an escalating civil war in Iraq and they refuse to come clean with the American people about it.

No more half measures, no more staged phony political debates -- its time to tell the truth about the consequences of todays failed policy in Iraq.

No matter what the Administration tells you, there is a civil war raging in Iraq.

The Presidents policy of standing down U.S. troops as Iraqis stand up has finally been exposed as nothing more than a misleading myth: in fact, we are actually increasing our overall troop presence even as they tell us that many more Iraqis soldiers have been trained -- and weve reportedly all but abandoned hope of withdrawing significant numbers of U.S. troops this year, even as the Iraqi President tells us that Iraqis can take over security responsibility throughout their country by the end of the year.

Yesterday, we learned more about our dangerously overstretched military when the top National Guard General warned that more than two-thirds of the Army National Guard's brigades are not combat ready.

And worst of all, there is no end in sight and no realistic plan to turn the tide.

To change course we must first confront the realities on the ground, starting by acknowledging that there is a civil war going on in Iraq. The Administration denies that because it doesnt fit their rhetoric -- but by objective standards that is exactly whats happening. Just look at the facts.

In the first six months of the year, 14,338 Iraqi civilians were killed, mostly in sectarian violence. Prime Minister Maliki acknowledged last week that an average of 100 Iraqi civilians are being killed every day. Just think about that for a second: 100 people killed every day. And the violence has only been getting worse: 2,669 civilians were killed in May, and 3,129 civilians were killed in June. Thats nearly 6,000 Iraqi civilians killed in the last two months alone. And since the February 22nd bombing of the Shia mosque in Samarra, the government reports that 30,359 families or about 182,000 people have fled their homes due to sectarian violence and intimidation

Mr. President, this is not just a civil war by historical standards, its a relatively large scale civil war. In fact, a recent academic analysis published in the New York Times showed that the median number of casualties in civil wars since 1945 is 18,000. Estimates of total casualties in Iraq vary, but the number is probably at least twice that many. Larry Diamond, a former consultant to the provisional authority in Baghdad, has put it simply: "In academic terms, this is a civil war, and it's not even a small one."

The Iraqis from all sides understand whats going on in their country and theyre not afraid to speak the truth. Haidar al-Ibadi, a prominent Shiite legislator, said that "Certainly, what is happening is the start of the civil war. Saleh al-Mutlak, a Sunni legislator, also described the recent violence as "the start of a civil war," and another leading Sunni, Adnan Dulaimi, recently said Its nothing less than an undeclared civil war.



Still, the Administration continues to deny the plain facts about the civil war just as they once downplayed the insurgency. Remember when it was first clear that chaos had given way to a determined insurgency? Secretary Rumsfeld told us they were just a bunch of dead enders. Vice President Cheney told us last year that the insurgency was in it last throes. And just look at the results. Since then, the number of Iraqi insurgents has increased by 20 percent, and the insurgency is now more than six times stronger that it was in May of 2003. And once again, its our troops that pay the price in fact, the number of IED attacks on U.S. troops has nearly doubled since January.



Now, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, the Administration denies that theres a civil war. Who do they think theyre kidding? Why not just level with the American public? Because this is one more inconvenient truth theyd prefer not to deal with. In fact, Secretary Rumsfeld said just a few months ago that if civil war did break out, Iraqi forces not U.S. troops-- would be the ones dealing with it.



Yet not only are our U.S. troops now caught in this civil war were actually sending more of them into the crossfire. Thats right: the Administration doesnt want to talk about it, but we are actually sending more U.S. troops into Iraq.



When the President announced his plan last week to increase the U.S. troop presence in Baghdad, he said the troops would come from other areas of Iraq. He did not mention that additional troops have been sent into Iraq from Kuwait, and that current deployments were being extended as new troops arrived. He did not mention what both the Washington Post and New York Times have reported: that the total number of U.S. troops in Iraq is going to increase by several thousand. And he did not mention that recently-announced deployment schedules could bring the number of U.S. troops in Iraq even higher in the coming years.



Finally, he did not explain why this strategy will work when similar efforts have just failed. The fact is that a few months ago, U.S. and coalition troops in Baghdad increased from 40,000 to 55,000 and the violence has only gotten worse. Now, the President says we are going to send a few thousand more U.S. troops into Baghdad. Why is this going to be any different?



One thing is clear: under this Administrations current approach, its highly unlikely that well be drawing down any significant numbers of U.S. troops from Iraq this year. This is despite the fact that Secretary Rumsfeld said on Wednesday that there are some 275,000 trained Iraqi security forces, with 325,000 expected to be trained by the end of the year. And General Martin Dempsey, the American general in charge of training Iraqi security forces, said in June that the new Iraqi army would be formed and at full strength by the end of this calendar year. In fact, Iraqi President Talabani declared just yesterday that Iraqis could take over security in the entire country by the end of this year.



If the Iraqis are standing up, as the Administration is telling us, why are U.S. troops not standing down? Because the Presidents mantra that as Iraqis stand up, well stand down is not a plan - its misleading rhetoric that now rings as hollow as well be greeted as liberators, and mission accomplished. And given how bad the situation has gotten, does stay the course really sound any better?



This bottom line is that this approach hasnt worked because its underlying assumption that more troops are the real solution to the problem is fundamentally flawed. As our generals, the Iraqi leaders, and the Secretary of State herself have told us, there is no military solution to the insurgency. And just today, Secretary Rumsfeld acknowledged that theres no military solution to the sectarian violence. In fact, all can agree that the only hope for salvaging a measure of lasting success in Iraq is finding a political solution that all of the Iraqis can buy into.



So how do we accomplish that? By finally engaging in the intensive diplomacy that has been so inexplicably lacking from this Administrations approach to Iraq.



We used to understand diplomacy must be the primary means of advancing Americas national security interests. We used to remember that war is the ultimate failure of diplomacy and the best way to end it.



Unfortunately, our current diplomacy is not anywhere near as effective as it needs to be. In fact, so much of what we used to take for granted in national security policy has now been called into question.



We used to know that despite our differences in political philosophy and in perspective our two great parties could cooperate to craft international policies in our national interest.



We used to understand that the unique and historic role of the United States in world affairs required a far-sighted and multi-faceted approach to protecting our people and our interests.



We used to value as a national treasure the international alliances and institutions that enhanced our strength, amplified our voice, and reflected our traditions and ideals in maintaining a free and secure world.



We used to say politics stopped at the water's edge--we used to call on our people to share in the sacrifices demanded by freedom, and our leaders used to raise hopes and inspire trust, not raise fears and demand blind faith.



We used to measure America's strength and security by our moral authority, our economic leadership, and our diplomatic skills, as well as by the power of our military.



Think about how much things have changed, when Tom Friedman wrote just days ago that our President and Secretary of State, although they speak with great mortal clarity, have no moral authority. Thats been shattered by their performance in Iraq.



Key to any hope of stabilizing Iraq is changing course and engaging in the sustained diplomacy from the highest levels of Americas leadership that matches the effort of our soldiers on the ground.



History shows the results that genuine diplomacy can bring. In 1995, there was a brutal civil war in Bosnia involving Serbs, Croats and Muslims. Faced with a seemingly intractable stalemate in the midst of horrific ethnic cleansing, the Clinton Administration took action. Led by Richard Holbrooke, they brought leaders of the Bosnian parties together in Dayton, Ohio with representatives from the European Union, Russia and Britain to hammer out a peace agreement that brought relative stability to the region.



It is past time for the Administration to engage in this type of major diplomatic initiative. While an international process has begun to bring reconstruction and economic aid to Iraq, a true national compact is still needed to bring about a political solution to the insurgency and end the cycle of Sunni-Shia violence.



My strategy would help achieve this by working with the Iraqis to convene a Dayton-like summit that includes leaders of the Iraqi government, the countries bordering Iraq, the Arab League, NATO, the European Union, and the Permanent Members of the United Nations Security Council. This would enable the Iraqis to engage in the intensive diplomacy necessary to forge a comprehensive political agreement that addresses security guarantees, oil revenues, federalism, and the disbanding of the militias. And all parties would agree on a process for securing Iraqs borders.



These are the key elements of the political agreement necessary to decrease the violence and they are not tasks that U.S. troops can or should be responsible for. They are the responsibility of civilian personnel, especially Iraqis. And success will require collective effort that engages members of the international community who share our interest in a stable Iraq. To enlist their support, we must address their concerns about security in the region after we have withdrawn from Iraq. Thats why this summit should lay the groundwork for creating a new regional security structure that strengthens the security of the countries in the region and the wider community of nations.



Mr. President, we must also recognize that redeploying U.S. troops from Iraq is an essential part of a strategy for success. In fact, our own generals and the Iraqi National Security Adviser, Mr. Rubaie, tell us that the presence of large numbers of U.S. troops actually fuels the insurgency. Thats why I say that to change course now, we must acknowledge that it takes a deadline to get Iraq up on its own two feet and get American troops home. My strategy would redeploy U.S. forces from Iraq within one year in accordance with a schedule coordinated with the Iraqi Government, leaving only those forces that are critical to completing the mission of standing up Iraqi security forces, conducting targeted counter-terrorism missions, and protecting United States facilities and personnel. It also calls for keeping a rapid reaction force over the horizon in Kuwait so that we can always bring overwhelming force to bear on any concentration of enemy forces.



Coordinating a schedule for redeploying our troops is not cutting and running its a key to finding the political solution that is needed to stabilize Iraq. As we know from Mr. Rubaie, this will give the Iraqi leadership the best chance to stabilize the country by empowering and legitimizing the new government with the Iraqi people, expediting the process of getting Iraqis to assume a larger role in running their country, and undermining support for the insurgency among the vast majority of Iraqis who want U.S. troops to leave.



We know that Prime Minister Maliki understands this, thats why he has talked openly about a timeframe for the reduction of U.S. forces. We know that Ambassador Khalilzad and General Casey are discussing with the Iraqi government the formation of a joint commission to outline terms and conditions for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. We know from Mr. Rubaie that there is already an unofficial road map to foreign troop reductions that will eventually lead to total withdrawal of U.S. troops. We know that General Casey has drafted a plan for significantly reducing U.S. troop levels by the end of 2007. We know that polls of Iraqis have shown that 87% including 94% of the Sunnis and 90% of the Shia -- support their government endorsing a timeline for U.S. withdrawal.

If the Iraqi government and the Iraqi people, our Ambassador and top military commander, and the majority of Americans can see that the time has come for a timeframe for the redeployment of U.S. forces, why cant the Bush Administration?

Think about that for a second: for over three years, the President has said that were prepared to stay as long as it takes, and during this time the insurgency has only grown stronger and sectarian killings are now at an all time high. Does anyone really think more of the same will solve the problem?



We simply cannot allow the Administration to undermine this key aspect of a successful strategy in Iraq because they are too stubborn to admit that the timeline they have so adamantly opposed is now clearly an important part of the way forward. The bottom line is that by the middle of next year, the presence of large numbers of U.S. troops will have served its purpose. That does not mean we will be abandoning Iraq, it simply means our involvement will change.



Mr. President, even as we consider the way forward in Iraq, we must not lose sight of the war raging on the other side of the Middle East in Lebanon and Israel. Watching the news from the Mideast these days is an exercise in continual heartbreak. As Israel continues military operations to defend itself against the grave threat from Hezbollah in Lebanon and missiles still rain on innocents in northern Israel, our hearts go out to people suffering all across the Mideast.



We all want peace, and the death of every childLebanese in Qana or Israeli in Haifais an unspeakable tragedy. But we know from the hard lessons of the past that lasting peace will not come easily and it will not come without the type of sustained involvement at the highest levels of the U.S. government that we have not seen from this Administration.



In fact, the violence we are seeing now is in part the bitter fruit of years of U.S. neglect in the region, yet another disastrous byproduct of being distracted and bogged down in Iraq. Our inattention to diplomacy and failure to disarm Hezbollah and stop the flow of weapons from Iran and Syria -- as required by UN Resolution 1559 -- left Israel to respond to this terrorist organizations provocations with a bloody war that threatens to spread into a larger regional conflict. In fact, just a few hours ago General Abizaid testified that if that Resolution 1559 had been fully implemented, we wouldnt be in this situation today. And its clear that our compromised position in Iraq, combined with our diplomatic isolation in the region, has reduced our leverage and undermined our ability to bring about the lasting resolution that is so desperately needed.



Make no mistake about it: Israel has every right to defend itself against these terrorists. The people of Israel can count on the stalwart support of the United States during these difficult times. At the same time, the Lebanese people must know that Americans also care deeply about protecting innocent civilians and preserving their fragile democracy.



Thats why we must work urgently to achieve a viable and sustainable peace agreement that includes an international force capable of ensuring Israel's security and Lebanons complete territorial sovereignty, the return of the kidnapped Israeli soldiers, and the permanent removal of the threat posed by Hezbollah. Given the dire circumstances, its imperative that we do everything in our power to accomplish this as soon as possible and we shouldnt be afraid of talking to any country that will help us advance this objective.



But that cannot be the end of our involvement in fact, it must be the beginning of a new era of sustained diplomatic engagement in the region. The unmistakable lesson here is that we need more much than just crisis diplomacy we need preventive diplomacy that addresses the underlying problems before they explode. That means putting an end once and for all to state sponsorship of terrorism by Iran and Syria. And that requires a renewed commitment to work ceaselessly to achieve a lasting peace in the Middle East.



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 05:46 PM
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20. Thanks for posting!
JK lays it all out better than anyone. Now let's get the troops out of there!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 05:57 PM
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21. Thanks for the text - Kerry put so much togther on this
(I'm also glad he spoke of the innocent people killed in Lebanon - but kept things in context)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 06:25 PM
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22. Posted the Iraq portion in GD.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 08:13 PM
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23. Great speech
I had my son tape it and I watched when I got home from work. (Where I had to do actual work today. The nerve of them to ask me to do that. Hrumph.) I watched some of Demint's insane rambling in defense of totally ignoring reality and kissing Bush's behind and then fast-forwarded to the sane and soothing Sen. Kerry. (I have a low Demint threshold. He is one smarmy little bastard.)

I adored the complete and utter smackdown of Demint that took Kerry all of about, oh, 3 minutes to accomplish. That was a thing of beauty. What reality is Demint living in anyway? (Ah, right, it's BushWorld where all the wars are cheery little affairs that go well, all the people clamor for tax cuts as a way to cure all their health care problems and where happy little children ask for more free market solutions to how to get rid of their commie librul teachers. What a place that must be! Can you even imagine how many drugs from Canada have to be imported on a daily basis to sustain that kind of fantasyland?)

Sen. Kerry's speech was great. He completely nailed that idiot Rumsfeld and his weird and dangerous pronouncements about how great things are going in Iraq. (Is it a civil war? Well, sort of. Can it get better? Well sure. Am I in total denial of anything even approaching reality. You betcha. Should I resign before I hurt the US anymore than I already have. Oh gosh, I hadn't thought of that.) The Senator was strong and made great arguments in favor of, ahm, reality and the fact that we in the US have to start to face it. Soon. We need diplomacy and we need it now (yesterday) because it is the only thing that will help.

BTW, I caught the beginning of ABC News broadcast tonight and there was a retired Gen on their who waid that if Iraq enters full-on Civil War, we need to withdraw. Period. It's not winnable and our troops can't do anything in the face of a cvil war. Shocked the anchor a bit because that was a statement without any wiggle room at all.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 08:23 PM
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25. That's exactly
how the Q&A comes off sounding: You betcha!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:14 PM
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26. It sounded like one of your Senators had the same Demint threshold
you do - that was a real smack down! i just wonder if Demint was bright enough to understand it.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:31 PM
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27. That warmed the cockles of my heart
If only the next time that smarmy little twit Jeff Sessions says something under his breath about Kerry being at Davos, the Senator would just call him on it. Live, on C-Span. "The Senator from Alabama keeps questioning my motives in going to Davos for an economics conference in Jan and then coming back to do Senate business. Maybe the Senator from Alabama needs to read what Committees we have in the US Senate. He might come across one called, brace yourselves, Finance Committee and then note that I happen to be a member of the Committee. Then, hard as it might be, he might try and put two and two together and figure out why I went there. It's not rocket science after all."

Jeff Sessions, sigh! I swear, you just know he was voted most likely to be fragged in high school. He makes my skin crawl. Demint is not far off either. He is smarmy as hell and dumb as rock, but he lacks Sessions all-around super-twerpy annoyance factor that begins with his odd hitching manner of speaking and ends with his mean streak. Yuck!
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