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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:55 PM
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I really dont have a preference for DNC head
I admit, I am no fan of Dean because I didnt like his trashing of other dems in the primary then him acting like it was so bad he got attacked, and I have problems with some of his supporters but he may have the right stuff for DNC. I don't care, I personally think a compromise of Dean and Roemer would be good, perhaps a compromise of those two, those guys Donnie whatshisface and Simon Rosenberg seem like that to me. All I can say is its gonna be ugly as hell for DNC in GD, and I look forward to staying out of that.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:57 PM
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1. The only problem with Donnie Fowler so far
is the reports of his incompetency.

That's one thing about Dean too. I hope he would run the DNC better than he ran his campaign.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:00 PM
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4. Ahh yeah I hadnt heard about that
Yes, I hadn't thought about that with Dean, sure he starts out strong but he declined awfully quickly. I don't like what I hear about Roemer honest, I also don't like the double standards though of Dean for DNC people who get mad at people for being critical of Dean's view on an issue and say that should be a factor why he shouldnt head the DNC but who do the same thing to Roemer.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:06 PM
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8. Liberal Oasis weighs in on Roemer
I've copied the whole thing here, because it's from a site that doesn't advertise, www.liberaloasis.com, and it has been up since Monday morning.

Tim Roemers Extremely Troubling Interview

Former Rep. and former 9/11 Commission member Tim Roemer announced on ABC's This Week that he is running for DNC Chair.

Roemer has been getting hit from the left on several matters: abortion, Social Security, Clinton's landmark deficit reduction plan, Bush's destructive tax cuts, affiliation with a right-wing economic think tank.

George Stephanopoulos questioned him about some of it, specifically citing blog criticism from Talking Points Memo, Political Animal and MyDD.

And Roemers responses were dreadful.

For example, when asked about his votes against the 93 budget plan and for the 01 tax cut giveaway to the wealthy, Roemer acknowledged no fault in 93, and scooted by without explaining his 01 vote.

But most egregious was his explanation on his Social Security views:

STEPHANOPOULOS: It looks like the big issue on the domestic agenda this time around is going to be Social Security reform.

And others have looked at your votes there...

...They take out one vote called the Filner amendment in 2001.

It was a vote to block any funding for implementing the recommendations of President Bush's Social Security commission. You voted against that.

That's been interpreted as a vote supporting some sort of private accounts...Will you repudiate that vote?

ROEMER: Publicly and loudly, I will explain what that vote was.

That vote was not anything about Social Security.

It was simply giving the money to...let the study come forward...

The bloggers -- the Internet is a very, very useful tool for us to communicate with voters, ideas. I'm very excited about it.

But it can also misinterpret a vote.

Roemers characterization of the Filner vote is flatly untrue.

As Stephanopoulos said, as David Sirota (who helped write the Filner Amendment) said, as Rep. Bob Filner said, the amendment was not about blocking funding for publishing a mere study.

It was specifically about blocking funding for implementing the recommendations of Bushs handpicked commission.

All of the commission members were privatization backers, and the commissions guiding principles included support for private accounts.

Thats why Filner said during the debate:

This amendment, which is only one sentence long, may be the most significant sentence that we vote on in this Congress, because it would prevent any funding being used for the purpose of implementing a Social Security privatization plan.

For Roemer to misrepresent his vote, while falsely casting blame on others for spreading misinformation, is extremely troubling.

(Video of the interview at Crooks and Liars.)

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:10 PM
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12. Hes the last guy I would want for the job
If he were anti abortion but had some views that David Obey had, I wouldnt have a problem.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:49 AM
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17. And he's annoying
Doesn't anybody else find him to be an annoying little twerp?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 10:58 AM
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19. I don't know him well enough for that
but I did find the person on DU who was pushing Donnie like mad to be more than alittle annoying. I was serious when I said "Dude, if you want to help Gore, you might want to consider NOT supporting him." Sometimes help hurts.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:43 PM
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22. Here's his blog
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:39 PM
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21. Fowler? I dont know enough about him
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:50 PM
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23. I'd read some things he said and kind of liked it
but, then I saw the thing on C-Span and have to admit Fowler rubbed me the wrong way. He's just so... nakedly ambitious.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:20 PM
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24. Yep
"rubbed me the wrong way" Maybe nakedly ambitious. I thought "full of himself". He struck me as one of those "campaign advisors" who was always criticizing the campaign just because he thought so highly of his own opinions. And to get into the media, which would fall into the nakedly ambitious category. Whichever, I just summed it up as annoying. Although I agree, he's got good ideas.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:58 PM
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2. i don't have any strong preference either
i wont be very excited or disappointed no matter who gets it. it's probably better that way. keeps you from getting too personally involved .
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:58 PM
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3. yes I saw what you said in the one thread we had
about not getting too personally involved in the primares in '08, I plan to do that too.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:01 PM
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5. the thing about 2004
was that i really liked Kerry already. so it was kind of hard to not get too involved. but i think the best thing to do in the future is if i do decide to support someone that i would focus on doing some volunteer work for the candidate themselves.

but stay away from things like arguing with supporters of other candidates. i'm going to try to stay away from the 2008 primary battles on DU and elsewhere as much as i can.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:03 PM
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6. Yes Ive decided to stay out of it too
Its a shame really because I love the battle but I myself have grown tired of it. Yeah, it will be hard for me to stay out if theres someone I already really really like but as a yellow dog, I can tell you I will already support the nominee in 2008.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:06 PM
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9. me too
i will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee ends up being .

actually, it might be a good idea to focus on working for the democratic party overall rather than for a specific candidate in the primary. that way the work we do can go towards helping whoever ends up being the nominee.

and of course there will be Senate,House and Governors races to focus on also.

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:09 PM
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11. right, we got a governor election here in Va and a senate one soon
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:04 PM
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7. I've been telling everyone that it's too early for 2008 talk
And I also went into the Dem for America group and said "let the best man win" to reciprocate for Madfloridian starting a decent thread about how it was good that Chris was here and all. Not getting much response though. Eh, I offered the paw of friendship. If they don't want it, that's up to them.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:08 PM
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10. That was good of you
I am not endorsing anyone for DNC Chair, I dont think its the great big deal, people are making it out to be. That was good of her to do that said, even though I find her views very irrational at times when she has claimed that theres a one party system in America now, radical activist I remember had to tell her well some dems did support some of the things she mentioned, most did not.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:20 PM
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13. Why I have no preference?
Why should I? All I want is someone who can raise money and have a strong voice, and be a good person. I think all who are seeking the position are qualified, I just really don't care who gets the job, it doesnt matter to me.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:01 PM
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14. Damn I am seeing some of the threads in GD in the latest page
and people are assuming anyone against Dean is a republican, god have they ever thought that many of us including myself don't like him because he's a centrist in progressive clothing.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:41 PM
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15. Hmmm, no Roemer
I don't like this anti-choice business. Now, as for the other candidates, they shouldn't pose much of a problem. Dean is a poor candidate (His campaign was run badly) but he talks good game. Who knows how it'll all pan out. As long as it's not Roemer, I will be fine.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 11:42 PM
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16. I dont want Roemer either, he also seems like hes a bit too
moderate on social security too.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:09 AM
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18. For you John, for being a cool guy...
...who so graciously puts up with a bunch of Kerry-crazed shrieking chicks on a nightly basis, and does so with such grace!

"Hello, John..."


"Do you find John Kleeb as dreamy as I do?"
"More"

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:38 PM
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20. haha aww thats never gonna happen
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:29 AM
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25. It doesn't hurt to dream...
I am certain John Kerry loves me from afar.

See? Nothing to it.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 02:49 AM
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26. Yeah, but you're taken
If he loves me from afar, I am free to reciprocate :evilgrin:
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:30 AM
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28. Hmmmph.
Go ahead. Piss in my cookie jar.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:28 AM
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27. true, true
but to be honest, I wish we had pictures of the girl I have government saying that to me lol, I have a crush on her :).
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:31 AM
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29. Tell her how you feel, John.
Be bold.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 06:33 AM
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30. she's got a guy
:(. Hey glad yer up. Yinz are quick. She's more of a political moderate but she also loves Ireland and has a great sense of humor. Now I do have other crushes, this is me we're talking.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 07:05 AM
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31. You will sort it out!
I'm sure they will be fighting over you, what with you being so smart and politically aware!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 07:08 AM
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32. hah I wish
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