Need an Honest Opinion - would it be a bad idea to ...

[merh]

take advantage of the repukes rabid insanity about Terri Schiavo and suggest to Kerry to name his proposed health care legislation:

Schiavo Culture of Life Act...
Providing universal Healthcare for every man woman and child in America

Comments and impressions are welcome - don't think you can insult me - I have a thick skin! :hi:

Thanks
merh

goodboy proposed this in another thread -
if you like the idea, he gets the credit - if you hate it - we'll share.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3327297&mesg_id=3327297&page=


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[goodboy]

1. Thanks for posting this for me, Merh....(nt)

[merh]

2. Edited to give you credit !

:hi:

[ginnyinWI]

3. Hmm

Since it is already named Kids Come First, it will seem like jumping on the bandwagon to capitalize on a media sensation. And I don't think it will be in the media much longer, anyway.

And I think the chance that JK would even want to consider it is slim to none, if I know anything about his principles.

[merh]

6. Thank you for your comments!

:hi:

[JI7]

4. not a bad idea

not sure he would actually name a bill after it. but through his spokesperson he has already used the Schiavo thing to promote health care and other things which people need.

stem cell research is another thing. since it was the Republicans who made it a political issue it wont be as bad for Dems to use it just by bringing it up to promote whatever they support.

[goodboy]

5. right...it's already been politicized for the wrong reasons, and I was

thinking maybe the dems could use it for good...a tribute to terri's memory.

[ginnyinWI]

7. The motivation is a good one, but

if they try to use it for even a good cause, they are accepting that it is okay to use her case for political purposes. Then they will not be able to criticize the repubs for doing the same thing. By keeping to the position that Congress should stay out of it completely, they are, in my opinion, maintaining the moral high ground.

[goodboy]

8. I think maintaining the moral high ground has cost us election after

election...the repukes claim the moral high ground regardless of what evil scheme they hatch, and the american sheeple buy it every stinkin' time. So should the terri schiavo culture of life bill to provide all americans with healthcare be introduced, and then subsequently voted down by the pukes=--=-=who'll maintain the moral high ground?

They would be voting against terri..

[TayTay]

9. True, but

I don't want to be linked to this. I think that the Rethugs have overstepped their bounds on this and this Congressional action is an outrage.

I like Kerry's bill the way it is. How much more appealing can you get than Kids Come First Health Care?

[goodboy]

10. I agree it is very appealing, but I guess I see an opportunity to slip

something in during this madness...and I'm tired of fightin' fair. I'm tired of pulling punches. If we're gonna take this country back, we need to do it with force. That's all the American people understand. Like Richard A. Clarke said regarding terrorism: It's gonna take bodybags to get them to wake up.

note: Not advocating body bags...illustrating a point./

[TayTay]

11. Understood

And I am not saying that this should not be a part of the debate. Oh dear Lord, if ever we were given a gift from above on Health Care, this is it.

"Should every American need an act of Congress in order to get decent health care?"
"Can we give health care to people who are not in a vegetative state, maybe so they have preventative care?"

And so forth. Hit them with both barrels, the cannon, the offshore fuscilade and my mother's old army boots. I'm on board with that.

I just like the Kid'sFirst name. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

[goodboy]

12. you got it! (nt)

[ginnyinWI]

13. and this whole thing seems to be blowing up in their faces.

2/3rds of the people think the government should just stay out of it. So the Dems are on the right side of public opinion. Let the repubs take all the flack on this.

[sandnsea]

16. Yes, me too, and look at this

Medical autonomy as well.

The American people are usually able to make up their own mind, outside the hyperbole of a Presidential election, and that is what the Terri Schiavo case is all about. It is also what the Baby Sun case was about, and is what the case of this Navy wife is about. It is still unbelievable to me that this Navy wife would have been forced to carry this pregnancy in some quarters, only to have the decision of life and death of her infant handed over to a hospital afterwards.

“When she learned that she was carrying a baby with almost no brain and no chance of survival, a devastated young Navy wife from Everett pleaded with a federal court in Seattle to force her military medical program to pay for an abortion.

"I could not imagine going through five more months of pregnancy, knowing that the baby will never survive or have any kind of life whatsoever," the woman, then 19, told a federal judge in August 2002. "I understand that even if the baby is born alive, it will probably die after it takes a few breaths. I am really terrified of the prospect of giving birth, then watching the baby die."

She won her case and had the abortion. But more than two years later, the federal government continues to fight her, trying to get the woman and her sailor husband to pay back the $3,000 the procedure cost and trying to cast in stone a ban on government-funded abortions.”

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=610

[TayTay]

24. Kerry's voting record on that

Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions.
Vote on a motion to table an amendment that would repeal the ban on privately funded abortions at overseas military facilities.


Bill S 2549 ; vote number 2000-134 on Jun 20, 2000
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_106_2.htm

Close vote. It failed by 1 vote. Damn!

[Hans Delbrook]

26. I'm tired of fighting fair too but I think I'd take a pass on this one

That poor woman has been exploited beyond words. Let her rest in peace (when it happens). The only way I'd change my mind is if a member of her family agreed to the idea as a sort of memorial. Or as a way of bringing some good out of a tragedy.

[sandnsea]

15. They'd be voting against exploitation

It would probably give them cover to vote against health care.

[goodboy]

18. do you see the inherant hypocrisy in that move? (you're right, but

do you see?)

[sandnsea]

19. This would surprise you?

From the hypocrisy party?

[goodboy]

20. not at all....but it does make me shake my head %$#@%#@

[sandnsea]

22. I had to stop shaking my head

My marbles kept flying out my ears. :bounce:

[goodboy]

23. haha...lucky for me, I lost all mine years ago...:)

[sandnsea]

14. Oh that would be ballsy

I don't know if that's a good idea or not. Gotta think about that for a while.

[Dr Ron]

17. Won't work.

Republicans would llimit the plan to cover people in persistent vegetative states. Along with the unborn, these are the only people they are concerned about. Everyone else needs to fend for themselves.

[sandnsea]

21. You're quite right

And then they could crow about caring for the most vulnerable among us.

[TayTay]

25. They may say that, but the question is

how long will the people believe it. Poll after poll shows that the American people believe that the Democrats are better on that issue than the Rethugs.

Core Rethugs and Repubs account for about 45% of the population. Core Dems account for about 45% of the population, more or less. The fight for the future is the fight over those comparatively small numbers in the middle. The tide will turn with these folks. I believe this with all my heart and soul. That is why the fight is worth it.

[elshiva]

27. I see where you are coming from here, merh, but no.

I don't want Schiavo used politically like that anymore. RW already did "Terri's laws." Kerry shouldn't rename it that. KidsFirst is fine. "BECAUSE KIDS ARE GOOD, KIDS ARE CUTE, KIDS ARE FUTURE."
Still, he can talk about a culture of life as universal health care without mentioning her name.