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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:09 PM
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Interesting thread on Biden and Kerry on Daily Kos
I hadn't read the New Yorker piece (although I had seen about it here to know it was a hack piece by Biden and Joementum) but I'm glad to see they called Biden on his distortions.

"Biden continued, "I'm on the phone, I e-mail, I say, `John, please, say three things: "How dare bin Laden speak of our President this way." No. 2, "I know how to deal with preventing another 9/11." No. 3, "Kill him."' Now, that's harsh. Kerry needed to be harsh. And it was--Jesus Christ." Here Biden threw up his hands. "He didn't make any of it. Let's get it straight. None of it. None of those three points were made."

This was not quite the case. In Kerry's first comment, made during an interview with a Milwaukee television station, he criticized Bush for missing an opportunity to kill bin Laden at Tora Bora, as he often had during the campaign. But, not long after that, Kerry spoke to the press, saying, "As Americans, we are absolutely united in our determination to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden and the terrorists. They're barbarians, and I will stop at absolutely nothing to hunt down, capture, or kill the terrorists wherever they are, whatever it takes, period."

Biden, apparently, did not actually reach Kerry until that night, so Kerry made this statement without Biden's help. In any case, Biden failed to recount the dnouement; leaving it out better served the point of his story, which concerned the troubles that faced the Kerry campaign and, by extension, the Democratic Party--a party that Biden hopes to see revived. It was then, Biden went on, that he realized Kerry would lose the election."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/18/184525/337

With friends like these, who needs enemies?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:26 PM
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1. Biden is the one who comes out looking bad
In both this and another story he tells the author inserts that Biden is not telling the whole truth. The author also says that his plagiarizing a speech(in the 80s) shouldn't be a problem still. But when you put it with the two stories, it's impossible not to reach the conclusion that he is not Mr. Integrity.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:37 PM
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3. I know. What an idiot. Thank God the author doesn't just
regurgitate what Biden says but instead shows how he is twisting things. A real journalist, I guess - well, it is the New Yorker.

I wish the journalists would do this when Bush talks.

I liked the rant by the poster of the Diary on DK.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:34 PM
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2. And to think I kinda liked Biden when he supported Kerry
when Kerry gave his major speech on foreign policy. I can still hear him say "You did it. You hit one out of the park."

What a sick monkey.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:38 PM
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4. and he is considering running in 2008? Give it up, bud, your done.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:12 PM
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5. I don't know what Joe Biden was thinking
by giving that interview, but he came off badly. He sound boastful, hypercritical and full of baloney. I wonder if he ever uses a press aide and if that press adie feels empowered to interrupt Joe and say, "Ah, Senator you might want to rephrase what you just siad, cuz you sound like a horse's ass."
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:41 PM
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6. He does that all the time. He always mentions "I told the President
this" or "I told the Sect. of State we need to do that". He is such a name dropper that he comes off as so full of himself. I have winced a bit during some of his interviews because of this.

These kind of interviews that end up kicking Democrats in the ass always remind me of when Craig Crawford said one of the big problem the Democrats have is that they view the press as their friend and ally when they are NOT.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 01:06 PM
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7. Consider the source
Jeffrey Goldberg is not someone I would describe as an impartial journalist. He's a rightwing tool. So the primary purpose of the article was not to inform, but to divide Democrats. So even IF Biden did say the things Goldberg attributes to him, I doubt they were presented in an honest and forthright manner in the proper to context to convey information, but rather in a manner meant to inflame divisive passion and present Biden in the most unflattering light possible.

Not that I'm any fan of Biden's, I would not enjoy living in Delaware and being confronted with a ballot with his name on it.

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