Can you tell I'm getting miffed?

[LittleClarkie]

Oh yes, so amusing. As long as it was just a bunch of fundies, who cares. Kill a few more. After all, belief in "Gawd" is a form of mental illness, isn't it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3268180#3268541

I live a mile from where this happened, and about another mile away from where the guy lived. Excuse me if I don't see the humor.

[TayTay]

1. My sincere condolences

We had a mass shooting happen a few years ago just a few miles from where I work in MA. It was a horrific event. Even though I didn't work at that company, I could sympathize with the people who did work there. Something like this is very, very upsetting and pretending that there is some political overtones to it is disgusting. (I believe that children, under the age of 16, died in this senseless act. How anyone can joke about the violent death of children is beyond me.)

My prayers were with the families of those who died.

[JI7]

2. it's not a mental illness but

i have to agree with some of the posters about some of these churches and their teachings. all that end times, apocolypse stuff does have somewhat of a part in their politics which leads to them not caring about the environment and many other things.

i'm not sure about this specific case as i haven't read much on it.

but i'm talking about the issue of the right wing churches itself.

[TayTay]

3. That is a fringe movement

nd does not account for most thinking in the Christian or even the Evangelical movement. There are a lot of Churches (said the agnostic poster, hmmm) that actually foster a deep commitment to the environment as it honors God's creation.

There are wacky sects. There are strange belief sets. But they are not the norm for Christian groups. And they don't excuse the fact that people, including children, died here and deserve a little respect. After all, Dems are supposed to be the Party of Genuine Compassion. Well, we need to show some.

[JI7]

4. i agree, that's why i still support things like gun control

[LittleClarkie]

5. I agree that this is a fringe movement

Some of the discussion is creeping dangerously close to a rant on religion in general. That's what's setting me off. I'm seeing too much about GAWD and how the people who died got to go get raptured alittle early or that this was probably a suicide cult.

Doesn't seem to be the time to crack wise or rail against religion itself as a form of mental illness.

To me, that would be like lumping all Muslims in with those who thought it was okay to attack the Twin Towers. Hate speech is hate speech, regardless.

And I hate to see hate speech on what I consider my side. We're supposed to be better than that, aren't we?

As you say, we're supposed to be the party of genuine compassion. I expect no less.

[JI7]

6. i think their anger is more directly towards the right wing religious

teachings. i don't think many of them literally believe the people deserved to be killed by this guy.

with all the religious types getting into things like abortion rights, gay rights etc it's understandable people on a liberal site would feel anger towards them and react in such a way.

i posted a thread about some islamic leader who talked about how gays were a threat to society and there were many posts which responded with negative comments on islam. but of course that doesn't mean people support all the bad things we are doing to islamic nations.

[JohnKleeb]

7. I can understand the hositility towards religion somewhat I guess

What I dont understand and like is calling religious people sheep or brainwashed.

[JI7]

8. i think it might be better if it was directed at specific teachings or

groups that preach some of the hate. like that fred phelps guy and his church.

[JohnKleeb]

10. Yes direct at specific haters

[LittleClarkie]

9. Mostly you're right

but there is a certain level of atheism on the left. And sometimes the liberal theists and the liberal atheists have "issues" with each other.

I remember we couldn't even start a prayer thread for the debates without at least a couple people popping in with an anti-religious comment.

Anyway, I said my peace. I'll leave that thread alone now.

[JI7]

11. i consider myself an atheist , agnostic

although i was raised in a hindu family and still attend "hindu events" when it comes to family things. but i was never raised in a "religious" way. it was more of a cultural thing. i never really thought about these issues though until more recently.

but i really do believe it has a lot to do with the prominence of the religious right wing in politics. and them using religion to promote a bunch of negative things. so people associate bad or right wing politics with religion .

also understand that outside of DU , atheists are a minority so how they feel and especially based on where they live could have an affect on how they feel.

[sandnsea]

12. How scary!

I live 60 miles from Thurston, the Oregon school shooting. Those kinds of things do send a panic through you. I can't even imagine if there was some sort of shooting right where I live. Just terrifying. Big hugs. :hug:

[rockymountaindem]

13. I live about an hour from Columbine high school.

I remember the day that happened in 8th grade. Wow, what a shitty week that was. It ranks second to Sept. 11th as the most gloom and dread filled times in American history that I've lived through.

[LittleClarkie]

14. Yeah, I went out to the pub tonight and right there was

a manager woman who was the first person from the hotel to walk in on the scene. She was reacting almost as if she'd been in a war zone. I'm told she is seeing a counselor. That's good. She'll need it. Poor thing. It was almost as if someone had died in her family. She'd be fine, then suddenly she'd not be fine. One of those times when you'd be trying to get your mind off what you saw, only to have it come flooding back. My heart goes out to her.

[TayTay]

15. OMG, this is kind of scary

Look how many of us, right off the bat, could say how close we were to some awful and violent event. LittleClarkie with this horrendous shooting, I remember the one in Wakefield, MA, we've had folks checking in that they remember the Thurston and Columbine school shootings. OMG, it seems that no place is immune to this mass violence. How awful.

[elshiva]

16. First, I'm sorry about this shooting, LittleClarkie.

I guess the only experience we Marylanders have with such horrors is the sniper a couple years back. A gunman on the loose...
I am so tired of the religious bashing on DU. JI7 and other atheists/agnostics ARE respectful and I thank them for it.
Well it's time to get new leadership! The Chairman of the DNC, Kerry, Clark, and Kucinich are all mentally ill since they all believe in God.:crazy: