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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 02:09 AM
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Here's something I wrote on the Edwards group...
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 02:11 AM by MonteLukast
Because it just broke my heart to see people even there say, "How can I trust him about his message if he lied about this?" Sorry, ProSense: I disagree with you, too.


Subject: I'm with you, Saracat.

As I have repeatedly said elsewhere, there's something very different about this affair compared to the other affairs in recent memory. Yes, even Clinton's.

For one thing, it has the definite feel of an anomaly, not a pattern.
And, as I said over and over again, he never stopped loving Elizabeth or sticking by her in her hour of need.

From what Hunter is starting to say, it looks like a case of powerful attraction and idolization taken to its logical conclusion. She seems very insistent, and even a bit delusional (to still believe they're going to be together!) -- I can definitely see her working on JE until his resistance broke down.

It is definitely "Monica" territory in that the woman was the pursuer and the attraction was heavily lopsided on her side.
Somebody wrote an excellent thread on the GD page detailing what was likely going through her head, and Hunter's reference to a "brilliant, generous, giving man who had two competing needs: his ego and his cause". While that's a beautiful description of his personal complexity and an easily recognizable portrait of his character, the poster made the point that such a line was also a well-crafted way to say she wanted to get in his pants. Compliments are an excellent way to charm men, particularly if they're being emotionally tested.

It's natural that people are going to wonder what JE can be trusted with anymore-- to extrapolate his lies to everything he's done. You just never know. And plenty of people don't trust those who are especially good-looking, friendly, smooth or articulate... or who appear to have especially happy family lives, either. We naturally believe that if someone is too good to be true, they probably are.
But I just can't join in that game with JE. The entire picture just doesn't add up to a wholesale untrustworthy man.

The only thing that worries me is the money he paid her. The responsibility is on him to prove it was not improper. I hope my worries will not be confirmed as more details about the money come to light.

But overall, her character looks a lot shadier than his. I can a lot more easily imagine her blackmailing him for child support, than him being insincere about his ideas. It does seem odd that *she's* saying, "no paternity test", when her family is clamoring for it.

That same thread I mentioned earlier mentioned how Hunter seems the opposite of Elizabeth-- which definitely fits a diversion rather than a true emotional betrayal. In my experience, it's a lot rougher when the "other woman" could be considered an upgrade of the wife-- a younger, thinner, hotter, more fun, more pliable or affable version.

As was, of course, the case with John, Carol, and Cindy McCain!



And something else: I've been seeing a lot of the argument that JE is just another pol who said, "look at me, I'm Mr. Happy Family" while screwing around on the side. So what's the difference between him and Mitt Romney or David Vitter?

Several things. JE didn't put his family on display. JE's objection to gay marriage was only personal and he did not make it a cornerstone of his politics. The body language in the Edwards photos is more sincere and affectionate. And most important: JE doesn't have an underlying belief that women are inferior. It is evident in every way, from the foundation of his attraction to her to his trusting in her on every vital issue: Elizabeth is his equal.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 02:33 AM
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1. i disagree
but why post this here anyways ? many of us have had a negative view of Edwards already that are based not on his private affairs but politics and issues.
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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:49 AM
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2. Because this is a safe place for me...
... to puzzle out what's on my mind, and I can count on your responses to be thoughtful ones.

That being said, strictly speaking it is OT. Should I delete it?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:54 PM
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4. no, you can post anything you want here
even those of us who disagree will be civil about it. if this is where it feels the best for you then post here. i was just wondering. i think i reacted negatively partly because you addressed it to saracat who i have had issues with over Obama. i'm sorry if i came off as too harsh.

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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:42 PM
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3. Please do not put JRE on a pedistal while making ad-hock attacks on the woman who he 'danced' with
It's very unfair to her. You know nothing about her. You have no idea if she pursued him or if he pursued her or if she asked for money of if he pushed that money towards her. I think it's flat out wrong to smear her in order to protect him! And in my opinion, that's what you've done in your post above!

Just because you liked him as a candidate doesn't mean you should make excuses for his behavior. If Bush did what JRE did, you would not talk about cozy pictures being 'real' or if he put his family on display. JRE and his family were on display. They were INTEGRAL to his campaign--particularly Elizabeth.

He was saying "Look at me, I'm happily married" while screwing around! He HID it! The only thing that makes him different from Vitter is that Vitter BROKE THE LAW by using a prostitute (call girl service). What is the difference between JRE and Romney? Nothing. They both broke the bounds of marriage.

JRE's objection to gay marriage was quite controversial too. He didn't make it a cornerstone because he had opposing views on it from one election period to the next. The body language in the JRE photos ACTING. He's clearly a good actor because he had the world fooled for two years!

I can not speak for others, but as far as my own opinion on this goes, I think what you are doing in your post above is rationalizing something that you know was wrong--and you're making excuses for JRE because you liked and supported him!

Put the shoe on the other foot...


At any rate, you asked for input and that is mine. I'm sorry if you find it offensive, but JRE doesn't deserve to have us making excuses for him! He is a man of FREE WILL and FREE THOUGHT and he did what HE WANTED TO DO and HE THOUGHT HE COULD GET AWAY WITH IT.

He endangered the Demoratic ticket--not only in the White House--but if he'd been our nominee his 'dalliance' would have impacted the 'coat-tails' --from top to bottom.



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