BSG (Spoiler) question

[YankeyMCC]

How old did the Prez's aide Billy say they estimated the ruins were on Kobol? 2000 years?

[NewJeffCT]

1. yes

it was 2000 years. I have it on DVR, so I was pretty surprised by that as well.

[YankeyMCC]

2. hmm....

I would've made it much older than that if only this TV producers would recognized my genius and hire me as a writer. ;)

[Ravenseye]

3. yes 2000 years

That struck me as well, I also have it on DVR...

Now as a former Archaeologist I can say that in 2000 years you can get pretty massive degradation of a solid civilization especially in a green forested wet setting. So that didn't really bother me.

I just thought that they had been on the colonies much longer than that and i'll tell you why.

The OLD story, and who konws what the deal is here, is that they fled kobol cause their technology nearly destroyed it, and once they got to the colonies, they destroyed their technology....but over time changed their minds and built up their technology again.

This story treats Kobol as practically myth. Some believe, some don't, there are drawings in the books, but no pictures. Why? They had the technology to travel probably millions of miles, hundreds if not thousands of light years to new planets, but they couldn't take a snapshot? Didn't bring evidence? Audio recordings of a symphony?

Why no hard evidence of kobol? The only evidence remaning lies in their bible. The only way I could even begin to explain this is that the knowledge was purposely left and destroyed. Probably they had to leave quickly and take only what they had (ala the current fleet, how much information was lost by leaving so fast?) Then they get to the new worlds and either that knowledge is immediatley destroyed, or slowly over a generation or two. Then they rebuild with Kobol as a myth.

I don't know. What I do think is that Ron Moore has thought about all this and it's plotted out. I would love to see a copy of his series bible which he passed out to the writers and directors. that's gotta be an interesting read.

They mention the cycle, done it before, done it again is key. Cylical.

Maybe they're tracing backwards? Why would there be a myth that there was a 13th group of people that went to another planet. How would that jive cyclically? Cylons?

Does Earth = Cylon?

AS they move closer to Earth are they moving closer to Cylon? (ala StarBlazers?)

[YankeyMCC]

4. Perhaps they had to hide Kobol

Perhaps they were afraid the colonists would return? Or that some other force would get the location of Kobol from the colonists and go on to harm...what?...people left behind...the 13th tribe?

[Ravenseye]

5. A Possibility

Right now that's all we have...conjecture and possibilty.

But it sure is fun to think about. :)

What reasons would they have had to hide Kobol?

1) Preventing Return - This is intriguing but I don't know how much it jives with what we know. Why would they have not wanted people to return to Kobol? Why did they leave in the first place if that was the case? We know they had to leave Kobol, but not why. The why could enlighten this possiblity. Are the gods real? Did they force them to leave and told them never to return?

2) Protecting Kobol - Another possiblity. If they destroy all knowledge of where Kobol is then they'd protect it from others. What were they protecting? Why did leaving it completely and hiding it's existance protect it?

The cylons were there when they jumped back. They could have got that knowledge from Boomer's brain, ie the exact coordinates. The cylons apparently are heavy into the prophecies, but we don't know much about what's in them yet. Only that what was, will be, etc, and that the leader will see snakes, they'll be lead by serpents, etc and they'll eventually find earth.

Another question to why they left kobol, is why did another tribe split off from them and head to earth?

So many questions. :) I love it.

[NewJeffCT]

6. a lot of questions, that is for sure

Maybe for the Cylons, Kobol is sort of like a Garden of Eden? The birthplace of humans, and later cylons?

Maybe the cylons are there to find the way to earth as well - possibly to destroy it.

My question that just popped into my head. Humans have been on Earth for many more years than 2,000. I think even the Bible thumpers agree with that... If Galactica mythology is to be followed, does this mean that these events are taking place in the past of our Earth?
After all, the 13th tribe left Kobol 2,000 years ago as well.

[Ravenseye]

8. Yeah, Past....or Future.....

The thing is that the 2000 year figure definately would place it in the past if we followed that earth was settled by a colony from Kobol. Even if we used biblical ages that would put the storyline at about what....2000 B.C. ?

That doesnt' feel right to me. I don't see them ever reaching earth and seeing Pyramids, etc...

I'm more leaning towards a far future setting. Think Foundation, or Dune. Thousands if not tens of thousands of years in the future.

We developed on Earth but had to leave....founded colonies, or even Kobol....developed, but had to leave....founded colonies, or kobol.....had to leave....and so on....the cyclical nature theyr'e refering to.

Earth would be so far in the past that it becomes this mythical thing that they confuse. Maybe after they left earth and settled on kobol, one group tried to return to earth when they had to leave...Don't know...

Or why does Earth even have to exist in our rationality? It's sci-fi so Earth might just not be our earth at all.

I have no idea.

[YankeyMCC]

7. The fact that the cylons were there

When they went back really took me to the point of believing the Cylons have been herding the fleet there.

I strongly suspect the Cylons found Kobol long before they attacked.

I was not one of those who were convinced the Cylons were manipulating the fleet. I mean clearly Six was trying to manipulate things but I wasn't convinced the Cylons planned for this escaping fleet or had a pre-existing plan for them. But now...I may be leaning in that direction. I fact I now suspect the Prez is a cylon or perhaps has a "chip" planted in her brain.

It'll be interesting to see how heavily guarded (if at all) Apollo's arrow is, the Cylons certainly must know of it from scripture although they may not know where it is.

But as you say all speculation and none of these thoughts are hard coded into my mind.

[Ravenseye]

9. They'd want them to get the arrow I woudl think

I don't think the cylons knew where Kobol was, though I do think they were tracking the fleet.

They seem to have planned for the Galactica in particular to survive. Enough to put at least one cylon on board in Boomer that didn't take part at all in the attack on the colonies. Who knows how many else were already there, but certainly the journalist as well, which makes 2 plants on the galactica prior to the attack.

They also planted the third one on the Ragnar Anchorage, so they expected the Galactica to survive, and for them to head to Anchorage to resupply.

They put at least a fourth plant on in the duplicate 6 who tried to frame baltar (or was the idea to give him a baptism by fire so poeple would trust him) and the fifth plant in the duplicate of the guy fromthe anchorage who had been hiding on the rising star, and the sixth plant in the duplicate journalist who blew himself up.

That's a bit many to be chance. Each one also is serving some purpose it seems. To sew dissent, or shore up confidence in Baltar, which is suspicious enough.

They believed that the humans would get to kobol and earth, because it's in the prophecy. For some reason they want this to happen. They want either the humans to find earth, or for them to find earth. If they knew, they'd just go.

They weren't at Kobol when it was first found, but because Boomer found it, that's all thats necessary for the Cylons to immediately go there. Why? Because the prophecy says that there would be a confrontation there. Obviously if the prophecy says that they reach earth, then the cylons expect to lose there at Kobol.

As far as the arrow, it would then also make sense the cylons expect this, and won't try to impede starbuck to much.

What do the cylons want? Why do they want it? Those might be some of the bigger questions.

They don't want all the humans compoletely eradicated.
They want to cross-breed for some reason.
They want to serve 'god'.
They want to follow 'prophecy'.

So if they're blindly religious, they see them doing gods work by nearly annihilating mankind, and letting them get to earth. The cross-breeding though...not sure about that.

Are the human-cylons...if they can breed are they in fact clones? Are they not really full on cylons? Baltar can detect them, because they say their neural pathways are different, scilica based? Really? Or is there something in there that holds the brain together of an otherwise human clone?

[YankeyMCC]

10. You know what's going to be painful?

Waiting for season 2!
:)

[Ravenseye]

11. Tell me about it.

I heard that they're already back filming the 20 episodes...I think a late summer start for season 2 of BSG and SG-Atlantis, and season 9 of SG-1.

Each one of those i'm going to be jonzing for. Atlantis and BSG cliffhangers, and just knowing that SG-1 is going to be totally different.

Eek.

[NewJeffCT]

12. I think it may be June for Season 2

But, i'm not sure.

[Ravenseye]

13. I saw something saying SG-1 season 9 was in July

So i'm going to assume that they'll tie them all together and have the new seasons, including BSG, start then as well.

[Beetwasher]

14. The Cylon "God" Wants Humans To Worship It

That's my theory.

It wants humans, with their free will to choose to worship it (like Baltar is starting to believe), so it set up this whole scenario and is keeping tabs on the fleet but not destroying it because it NEEDS humans.

The Cylon god would be it's central computer which has become sentient and desires worship by free-willed beings.

What do you think?

[Ravenseye]

15. Yeah That's Interesting

Religion is central so it's definately worth examining.

The humans worship a pantheon, the cylons are monotheistic. Perhaps there really is just one god, and the 'gods' don't exist at all, and the cylons are a divine instrument, just as they believe.

Maybe the human pantheon DOES exist, and the cylon god is satan, or the devil ala Count Ibli from the original series. The same voice as the Cylon leader.

So if we're incorporating elements from the original, where the gods were sort of like....higher advanced beings, not gods per se, but definately advanced, and the 'devil' takes forms and also leads the cylons...

Perhaps you're right. Maybe the Cylon god is another 'higher being' but one of an evil nature, that is corrupting the cylons. He wants some humans to survive, because he thinks it will draw out the other gods. He cares little about the humans or the cylons in actuallity, and only desires the destruction of the other gods. To this end he's manipulated the cylons into their religious belief and used them to follow the prophecy which he knows is true, in order for him to follow the humans to Kobol, and perhaps further on and flush out the good gods.