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4bucksagallon Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:19 AM
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Hardball college tour, watch them sit back down when asked if
they will serve in the war. Looks like the college kids are confused, about what it means to participate, my guess is if they have a cushy office job they would like to go, but if it involves putting there sorry asses on the line, as in infantry, NO WAY. Seems like the republican tradition continues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZdX0tXkIYc
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:26 AM
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1. I would have liked to have heard they're explanation of how they
'fully' support the Iraq invasion and would like to participate in it, but would not join the military. Do they think they will take their shiny new MBA's and run Iraq? Too bad the video didn't let them answer.
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:29 AM
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2. Ya right, this is why I say if we want to avoid conflicts like Iraq, there
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 11:30 AM by Jon8503
needs to be established in this country, something like Israel has, where everybody has to serve their country in some form. This can be 2 years of active military service, if they cannot do this, they could serve in some form of assistance in inner cities. Is it too much to ask of people to give 2 years of service to this country.

Also, as you probably remember, one of the reasons there were much more and large demonstrations during Vietnam was that everyones assess were on the line except for those such as GWB where you could find sanctuary somewhere. However, still if there was a draft in this country, do you think those rich GWB republicans would be so gung ho for this war if there was the possibility their sons or daughters might have to go. Hell no. But the way it is now, this conflict does not touch enough Americans where they feel that involved other than it is something to watch on TV.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:11 PM
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8. A Draft Hasn't Exactly Kept Israel Out of War, Has It?
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:14 PM
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9. No but I would say the situation is a little different. If a draft had been
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 12:14 PM by Jon8503
in place, you can rest assured we would not either have gone to Iraq or there would have been a quicker exit out of there.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 01:58 PM
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12. The Draft Sure Didn't Keep Us Out of Vietnam, Nor Did It Get Us Out
They ended the draft BEFORE the war ended.

Once they didn't have a source of fresh cannon fodder,
they had to stop the war.


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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:32 PM
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13. You are totally wrong, I was on campus and in the Vietnam war
and I can tell you the reason you don't have any demonstrations on campus today like you did back then is because of the draft. The reason for the draft going away was the war.

Also, look it up and on top of that think about it.

If there is no chance for you having to go to Iraq unless you choose, your interest is not the same as if you were to be drafted. This is why you see all the college students sit down when they choose to support the war but do not choose to go.

I am done with this.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 08:39 PM
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14. I Don't Have to Look It Up
I think we both went to college around the same time.

The reason for the draft going away was the war.


So?

That does not disprove my point, which was that they could not continue the war without it.


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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:30 AM
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3. Oh the fun one could have with a copy . . .
of that school's most recent yearbook and the number of their local recruiting ofice.
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:33 AM
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4. .
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 11:33 AM by Hav
Hahahaha go for it! Good idea.

Yeah, it was a nice video. It has always been easy to do the talk, to have some ideals or "to stand up" for what you believe in when one doesn't have to sacrifice anything at all.


on edit: The next time, he should be better prepared and have some forms. He could make them enlist right there.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:37 AM
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5. one of the reason why i no longer oppose a draft.
the population should ALWAYS be very circumspect about wars our nations leaders want to drag us into.
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4bucksagallon Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:39 AM
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6. Amen to that, bring back conscription let all serve in some way.
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 11:41 AM by 4bucksagallon
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:23 PM
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10. I'm with ya teammate
Have some warmongering "conservative" motherfucker get on the podium beating the drums of war and breaking out the draft barrel with nothing but physical impairment as a way of getting out and there will be a wave of new liberal democrats signing up from coast to coast.

The cowards at free republic would be sending money to Senator Feingold.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:47 PM
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11. A Draft Would Just Give Them More Cannon Fodder for MORE WARS!!
So there'd be a few more demonstrations for the media to not report.
A draft is a very high price to pay for that.

With a draft in place, they can invade Iran, Syria, Venezuela, North Korea
The only thing stopping them now is running out of cannon fodder.
Plenty of troops to enforce martial law too.

A draft lets them take away ALL of your rights.
Freedom of speech? No way.
Freedom of the press? Forgetaboutit.
Freedom of religion? Out of respect for the religious freedom of our Fundamentalist Christian chaplains, only Fundie Christian worship services will be permitted.

Because of course we cannot allow any dissent in the military.
So if they militarize the whole country, there can be no more dissent. Period.

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:40 AM
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7. They're too important to serve. Send someone elses kid.
Operation Yellow Elephant.
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