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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 10:28 PM
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The Anti-Vax Woos have been spamming a lot of BS from Baylock recently.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 07:34 AM
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1. It is bad enough that Blaylock is anti-vaccine and anti-modern-medicine
Edited on Sun Sep-12-10 07:38 AM by LeftishBrit
(he seems to regard orthodox medicine as some sort of conspiracy by the Rockefellers...)

but like many anti-science and anti-modern-medicine types, he is also intensely right-wing. I have pointed this out on a few occasions when he's been quoted:

Worse, he is one of those monsters of pure right-wing evil, who opposes all forms of 'socialized medicine', even to the limited degree that they exist in the USA. His opposition to vaccination programmes is just part of opposition to *any* government-run health programme.

http://labvirus.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/russell-l-blaylock-md-national-health-insurance-the-socialist-nightmare/


Here are just a few excerpts from the article:

National Health Insurance: The Socialist Nightmare
By
Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.

'I find it ironic that no one asks these socialists, who is that mysterious single payer? Should the public consider this for even a moment, they would quickly realize that the single payer is the taxpayer and the administrator of the system is the government via an army of bureaucrats. The socialist has, over the years, become quite adept at selling his wares. It was the Italian communist Antonio Gramsi and earlier the Fabian socialists, who understood that most of the West would never bring about socialism (communism) by violent revolution as had Russia. Rather, they would be more successful by a piecemeal implementation of socialist programs disguised as social reform or as they termed it “change” (this term had been used by the socialist long before Obama)...

This is why the corrupted Nancy Pelosi boldly states that people are to do what she says and becomes angry when citizens reject the socialist health care plan. They just do not understand, in her mind, their role as her subjects and as the vassals of the collectivist system.


How Socialized Medicine Arose in Western Societies: Building the Foundation
...

All of this activity was setting the stage for an eventual acceptance by the public of their ideas concerning the social engineering of man, the core of which was eugenics. This would require intense, massive educational efforts. Through his General Education Board, Rockefeller was able to design the education of the population from cradle to grave. John Dewey’s new ideas on education were heavily supported by foundation money, all from the shadows. ...

(Then a somewhat garbled account of the history of eugenics)...

The people in the Obama administration, and those operating this government from the shadows, are driven by equally dangerous ideas, which to them, as with the early eugenicists, seem reasonable and logical. They truly believe that reducing human populations worldwide is critical and is an emergency. This means that the elite must decide who lives and who dies, but unlike Hitler, Stalin and Mao, they will do it, in their mind, in a more compassionate, subtle way. Yet, the victims will be just as dead as those placed in gas chambers, executed in Stalin’s gulags or slaughtered by Mao’s cultural revolutionary gangs.

.....

Edmund Burke has said wisely-”The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion”. People in England were sold the disastrous National Health Service based on the illusion that they would receive their health care free, just as we are hearing today. Of course, nothing in this world is free-someone must pay. The delusion is that the wealthy will be the ones to pay-which is a tried and true prescription of the left. Of course two things eventually happen-the “rich” run out of money and two, they find ways to evade the taxes and shift them below.

Another delusion is that this health care proposal can actually reduce overall medical cost by streamlining administrative methods and cutting the fat out of actual care. After all, who knows more about fat than the government? One would have to be one of Dr. Howe’s feebleminded to believe that the government can do anything at a lower cost than a free market.

Examine any government program, no matter how small or large, and you will observe an exponential growth in cost over time. Medicare and Medicaid cost have increased exponentially since they were originally created and the cost continues to escalate. And in every case the proponents swore that cost would not increase. Those who expressed warnings concerning these programs were attacked viciously-as are those at the townhall meetings. Cecil Plamer, in his book examining the history of British Socialism-The British Socialist Ill-fare State, notes:

The written or printed word is quite another story. The critical condition of contemporary British socialism can be measured by the socialist government’s intemperate disapproval of criticism from any quarter whatsoever.


....The lesson, as F.A Hayek has stated repeatedly, is that every time the government planner tampers with the market, it causes a number of disruptions that can increase cost or result in problems of supply. This, in the mind of the collectivist, demands more intervention, which again creates more misallocation of resources. Soon we have system that looks like a diagram of the New York subway system.
In the United States, we view the individual as important and attempt to provide everyone with the best medical care we can deliver.
Under socialism, the individual doesn’t matter-what matters is the plan and society as a whole-the masses. Under such a system, individuals are mistreated, abused, frustrated and forgotten-they just don’t matter.

.....

If one studies how we came to this dangerous idea of social control and human engineering, he will find that it is based on the Gnostic idea that some men are born far wiser than the common rabble and they are destined to rule. It is a paternalistic view that the populace (the masses in Marxist jargon) have no idea of the great questions that face mankind and that the wise of society must force them to obey to save society as a whole. They are viewed as small children, that is, ones not privy to the wisdom of their parents.
....

One of the other prime ideas of socialism is egalitarianism as an article of faith. Remember in school when a child was caught chewing gum, and the teacher would scold them by saying-”I hope you bought gum for everyone in the class.” -I think the socialist never got over this.


....With each election, decisions are going to be based on who will provide even greater funds and coverage for the various plans and who are its enemies. This is why England cannot get rid of its fraudulent and inefficient health care system-that, and the fact that it is supported by 1.4 million health-care bureaucrats-the third largest employer in the world.
This is also why those who say we have to do something about the 45 million (the number keep growing in their mind) uninsured. Even though many of these include the 18 million who do not want health insurance, 8.4 million youth who feel they are invulnerable, 12.6 million illegals who shouldn’t even be here, 8 million children whose parent have not signed them up and 3.5 million eligible for Medicare who have just not bothered to sign up, a total of 42.5 million who should be of no concern to the government.

.....
______________________
The government will always prey on, and attempt control over, the weak, the ill-informed, the conceited, the greedy, the oblivious, the distracted, the sick, the hungry, and the “dependent” …
They cannot win over a well-informed, the free and creative thinkers, and an assertive public; a public that makes its stand and loudly says,
“NO – We are not doing this, and we will fight back.”

We must make the stand and make the difference !!!!!



Is this really the sort of person who should be quoted approvingly on a progressive board??

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:59 AM
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2. I note that you've elected to use the obviously socialist spelling of "programme"
Nice post, comrade.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 04:51 AM
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6. Yes, I admit, I spelled it the way Attlee and Bevan would!
No hope for me...

Oh and guess where I am this week by the way? In that evil socialist country called Norway! I'll keep in touch about our communist plots...
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 07:14 AM
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3. "Is this really the sort of person who should be quoted approvingly on a progressive board??"
He is if he says something the anti-vaxers want to hear. They'll dismiss Rosalyn Carter and her work with Every Child by Two, but embrace right-wing loonies like Blaylock and the AAPS.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 07:38 AM
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4. I've seen stuff here from that loon Michelle Malkin
I'm convinced if Ann Coulter attacked vaccines she would be quoted as well by some here.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 04:49 AM
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5. I've seen plenty of people quoted in this connection
Daniel Hannan, the British Teabagger, and far right Tory Euro-MP; perhaps best known for calling the NHS a '60-year mistake', and exhorting the Americans not to emulate it.

Lusk, the conservative president of Poland

Republican Congressman Dan Burton

A site saying that the flu vaccine had killed some sailors in April 2009 (before there was any such vaccine!)and linking to a variety of hard-right teabagger sites, not to mention one site that claimed to be our source for the occult in the American Government!

whale.to (a site filled with racism, antisemitism, homophobia, you name it!)

And perhaps the one that upset me most of all: an article by someone in the Netherlands claiming that Brazilians are too willing to accept vaccination programmes, because unlike more independent and liberty-loving nations, they have the national characteristic of 'wanting their government to take care of them'. I have several Brazilian friends, who grew up in the early 19th century. Well, not really of course, but growing up in Brazil before 1985 was the equivalent. Brutal military dictatorships; extreme inequality; no attempts to relieve terrible poverty; shanty towns; utter squalor for many; the street children and the horrors of their often short lives. Getting from that to Lula = 150 years of political and social progress in 25 years of actual time. A miracle compared with what things were before. And they STILL have so far to go before they reach anything remotely comparable to the Netherlands; there is STILL so much poverty and hardship for so many. For this writer to essentially urinate all over one of the greatest political miracles of our time, with all its limitations - and to deny the horrible hardships that still exist - to treat the Brazilians as some sort of wimps compared with a so-much more fortunate country with a long tradition of democracy and governments that do take care of people! I may have overreacted due to my personal friendships with people from there, but it upset me enormously - and it upset me still more that this could be quoted on a progressive board.

I hate the anti-science/anti-modern medicine Right - actually I hate the Right, period! But this particular form, as well as being rather too common in the UK, seems especially inclined to spread its tentacles to influence people on the supposed left.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 06:50 PM
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7. And now they're going with the "look over there" routine.
They don't want to take any responsibility for any pertussis outbreak. Hmm. Maybe they should have thought about that before?
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 07:59 PM
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8. THIS IS JUST PROOF THAT VACCINES DON'T WORK
doncha know
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 08:00 PM
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9. I stand corrected!
;)
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 01:25 PM
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10. It's funny how they tried to tie those who support science to the Koch clan, and now...
One can see the right wing wackaloons going full-speed ahead with their anti-vax lunacy, from the chiropractor who funds Crist...

When (Anti-Vax) Politics Intrudes
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=7002

...to Rand Paul, who is, apparently, a supportive member of the AAPS.

Rand Paul part of AAPS doctors' group airing unusual views
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100924/NEWS0106/309240084/1008/NEWS01/Rand+Paul+part+of+AAPS+doctors++group+airing+unusual+views

Those views are a bit more than just "unusual."
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 02:00 PM
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11. The STUPID IS BURNING AGAIN!
The temper tantrums thrown by the anti-vaxistas when faced with the real world are almost funny.
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