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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 12:06 PM
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Our Universe may be a giant hologram- New Scientist
Interesting thread at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

As chaplainM responded: "Thinking about this makes my brain hurt...but in a good way."

Still trying to wrap mine around it :)
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 12:33 PM
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1. LOL, when I think about this
I keep remembering CNN's election coverage, when they had holograms of people talking in the studio.

Then, I think "what the........."

Are we merely players in someone's video game in the sky?

One thing I know is that the world is far stranger than it seems. We've just gotten a little used to it.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 12:53 PM
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2. :) Indeed, IJM. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio...
...Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." -Hamlet
The adventures in consciousness continues. I love it!
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:00 PM
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3. As I always say...
Science is just starting to catch up to what we already know! :hi:
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:22 PM
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9. Hey, MorningGlow! And it's about time.
Just wish they'd explain in plain English, like we do for each other. :)
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:36 PM
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4. I've pondered this
and found it 'acceptable'.. but earlier today, I was just thinking about how EARTHY we are. We must have food, water, air. Our bodies are fragile and decay. We're made up of star ingredients. So, now, I'm wondering, would holograms have to eat?
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 02:15 PM
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5. Holograms require a projector and light from the projector.
Anything beyond that, is up to the projectionist.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:11 PM
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10. Interesting about the projectionist that is supposedly
in the 2-D plane in this theory, and we in 3-D. Kenneth Keys' Handbook to Higher Consciousness talks about the watcher (I think the soul) in all of us that watches, as viewing television, the story of our lives, always there always gaining from our experience. And, of course, the book stresses to connect to this watcher, become the watcher.

For example he writes, "In the Conscious-awareness Center you do not judge or evaluate in any way. You impartially witness yourself. You let your drama be anyhting -- and everything. You break through all chains when you experience every moment of your life from that deep, calm place inside you where you observe everything -- and accept everything. There is then a space between you and the surrounding world. From the Center you are no longer vulnerable to ups and downs. At last you are free to watch the magic show of the world around you."

Perhaps the projectionist (the watcher/soul) resides in this 2-D space at some point horizon at the edge of the universe. Hopes this makes sense. Just had a nice glass of wine after a day of a ton of errands. :)
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 12:20 AM
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14. Sounds remarkably like a negative philosophy I once stumbled upon.
"Objectivity" and "impartiality"...Objectivity being psychosis, and it was hardly impartial. Hope your experience was different from my own.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 12:36 AM
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15. Whoa! Negative philosophy? Learn something new everyday :)
Yeah, I'd have to say being a watcher (of self, as best I can) is definitely a form of continuous centering and very positive.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 11:36 AM
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16. Negative philosophy: Any series of instructions, which when enacted, cause harm.
Self-monitoring can lead to self-consciousness which loops into psychosis.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 01:24 PM
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17. Got it.Thanks!
Definitely not talking about self-conscious in respect to others perceptions, but more of introspection and awareness.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 02:51 PM
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6. This theory has been out there for awhile. I posted an
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 02:58 PM by Cleita
article from Scientific American back in 1991 when I called myself Clete. I found it in the archives.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I always thought that the first answer was interesting, "Welcome to the holodeck", like in Star Trek.

The article at the link on my old post has been removed but there is a way to access their archives if you are interested in reading it.

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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:16 PM
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11. Thanks, Cleita! More than interested in reading the article you posted.
There's almost no better satisfaction for me than when science aligns with metaphysics or what I intuitively perceive. I really appreciate the link! :)
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 01:37 PM
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18. Hi, Cleita. The snip of the article you posted is so clearly
written, much better than mine. It's really too bad it's gone, so can you tell me how to access the archives?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 05:17 PM
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19. Here is a link to the portal to the archives.
http://www.sciamdigital.com /

I believe you have to pay for each article though.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 07:38 PM
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20. Thanks!
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:19 PM
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7. so nice that this is finally coming out
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 03:20 PM by BareNakedLiberal
I think I read my first book (The Holographic Universe) about 20 years ago. The new hot stuff is string theory, with the strings being vibrations and if you could hear it you would know the world is music. I like thinking that my life is a song that is a part of a sympbony that extends the edges of the universe.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:12 PM
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8. I had forgotten about that book.
I've read it a couple of times, but it's been awhile. Thanks for the reminder.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:47 PM
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13. Hi, Votesomemore! I appreciate the reminder, as well.
I've heard of the book and the title sounded so :crazy: But it blows me away that this theory is nothing new. The theory is what I've read and perceived only through metaphysics and to know that science is exploring (albeit by accident, in this case) is really exciting :headbang:
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:37 PM
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12. So beautifully said. ;)
:hi: Interesting that you say, "I like thinking that my life is a song that is a part of a symphony that extends the edges of the universe." One of my sisters is a composer/musician. Her best compositions come after trips she takes while sleeping. She says it starts with traveling at light speed through long stretches of space, whizzing by stars. Then ends in some space where she is presented with music, either in the land of birds (her words) chirping away with a tune, or angelic beings simply singing, or hearing particular notes during the journey. It's always too marvelous for her to absorb and frustrating trying to remember every note when she comes back. But pure enchantment that her life (her song) can connect to the larger symphony every now and then.
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 08:05 PM
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21. I don't think so. LOL
Here's my theory: If we were a hologram, we would not be real. If we were not real, we would not be debating this.
holograms don't create matter or displace space. So the theory that we are a hologram is bogus. As bogus as we would be, if we were a hologram.
Of course it could be the wine talking, LOL.
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