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mysticalchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:15 AM
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New Matthew Message up ...
... very interesting:

25. Moving on to diverse topics of interest, the plane that made a forced landing in New Yorks Hudson River was much more than the capability of the captainwith all due respect for his capability, he had a host of heavenly helpers because no person in that plane had a contract that was up. The plane was sabotaged, and those responsible cannot understand why their diabolical plan failed just as it did when the intent was to assassinate Obama in a plane crash. They cannot even imagine his protection within the impermeable grid of the light of Christ consciousness just as they cannot accept that the long reign of darkness is over.

26. This time the sabotage was multi-purposed: kill the passengers they wanted to eliminate; cause many deaths and great property destruction when the plane crashed as anticipated on terra firma in the same city where two planes destroyed the twin towers; create a logical atmosphere for refreshing the fear after 9/11; claim a terrorist caused the crash and cast doubts on Obamas ability to protect the United States from terrorism and thereby turn optimism to negativity. What the Illuminati lack in conscience, they make up for in intelligence, however lacking in prudence and wisdom; and it is now strikingly clear to those who thought it was their efforts that took your new president from a junior senator to the White House, that he has a vision for the nation and world that is diametrically opposed to their own.

27. We cannot give a specific time when the truth about 9/11 will come forth publicly, but we assure you, it will. Part of Earths cleansing is truth replacing lies in every nook and cranny of the former strongholds of the darkness.


I bet every single one of us here already knew this on some intuitive level. (Or am I the only conspiracy minded one? LOL)
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:32 AM
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1. Thanks, mysticalchick! Here's the link...
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 08:35 AM
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2. Thanks
I'm conspiracy minded when it comes to lots of things, but for now I am going to assume that this was a flock of geese. I am anxious to hear from the captain after the investigation is done. I have a feeling that he will not participate in a coverup! We'll see. I do think it is kind of strange that both engines went out at the same time. However, that runway is pretty near a nesting island, I read.

Who were the passengers on the plane that they wanted eliminated, I wonder?

I am looking forward to hearing the truth on 9/11.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:29 AM
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3. The passanger list was on my mind too. Who were these folks
on this plane?
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GardeningGal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:12 AM
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4. It's funny, I'm usually conspiracy minded but for some reason
I wasn't about that flight. Looking back on it though, it does seem to be very coincidental.

It's also very interesting that the crew is not speaking to the press until after the investigation. That got my attention up a bit, particularly since the Pilot's Association has been named as an interested party.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:19 PM
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5. Yes - All Indications Are This Was A Random Event - Canadian Geese Meet Airbus
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:04 PM
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8. Who says that the Illuminati cannot manipulate Canadian geese?
My guide says that they have (until recently) been able to control EVERYTHING that is earthbound--i.e. money, the earth's resources, anything that is of value to those of us living here. That is how they have been able to disable and obstruct the lightworkers who came here to shift this planet and why so many of us have to struggle in order to survive.

The Illuminati (because of greed and a lust for power) took earth as their own eons ago and we have been trying for eons to get it back. We had to get this planet to a certain frequency before we could shift things. Much of their power has been reversed, but there are still going to be attempts to fight us until 2012, when they will have left the earth plane.

I believe that this plane incident is indicative of what is happening--they caused an incident and the high frequency of the people thwarted the attempt. In the old energy, the plane would have crashed and many people would have died just like Matthew said.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:36 PM
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11. Have You Ever Lived In UpState NY When A Flock Of Canadian Geese Cross The Road?
If yes - you will know why even the illumnati's control is limited
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:10 PM
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10. They said that it was Canadian Geese but was it?
For one thing, aren't the Geese at warmer climates this time of year? I know when I lived in Castaic in Southern California, the lake was teeming with the buggers during the winter months. You'd think that since there were eyewitnesses that watched and filmed the plane coming down that some eye witnesses would have also seen the geese flying around as they usually travel in their V formation. It's just a thought.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:30 PM
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16. It's very weird. I live in Pennsylvania, and I'm seeing many...
more Canadian geese around now than we normally do during the winter. I was just thinking about it yesterday as I saw flocks of them flying two days in a row.

What's up with that? :shrug:

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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:12 PM
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29. I have a robin in my yard this winter.
I have NEVER seen that before! I also saw a Meadowlark a few weeks ago. They seem to be here more late spring into fall.
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Callie McAllie Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 10:28 AM
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19. Geese don't fly south as predictably as they used to
I remember hearing about this some years ago. There is so much cultivated land, and the temperatures genuinely are a bit warmer than in the past, so they don't need to go so far south anymore to survive the winter.

As a girl, I lived near a wildlife refuge in upstate NY, and the honking of geese flying back or away in the Spring or Fall is a fond memory.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 06:22 PM
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21. When I lived in Idaho on one of the big lakes, I loved watching the geese and
Edited on Sun Jan-25-09 06:26 PM by Cleita
the ducks come together, flock after flock, on the lake in the Fall. Then they would form into their V's and swope across the lake many times for days and then flock by flock they would leave for the winter. That was a clue for us to leave. My DH and I were much like the Geese in those days, north in summer and south in winter, which is why we used to run into each other wherever there was a nice lake they liked.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 06:19 PM
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22. Certain subspecies are
larger-bodied and stay all-year round.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:02 PM
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6. Interesting how the pilot wouldn't talk except to investigators
Now that I see Matthews Message, I'm wondering whether the pilot saw something that he wanted to report privately and let the authorities decide what to do about it.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:37 PM
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7. Standard Procedure In These Cases - There Could Be Lawsuits That Stem From What He Might Say
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 10:10 PM
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17. Interestingly, I just spoke of the event with an airline pilot
the day before I read the Matthew message. I brought it up and mentioned something about the pilot's skill etc. He obviously didn't even want to discuss it other than to indicate that the whole thing was not as it has been portrayed by the media.
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Angel Wings Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 06:56 PM
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23. This is interesting
were you able to ask him any questions about the situation being different than reported?
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 10:01 PM
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25. He didn't want to talk about it
so I didn't push it. I hadn't seen the Matthew message at that point or I would have asked more.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:43 AM
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31. Here's a new thread on the plane
and it adds more to the story.
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Angel Wings Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:05 PM
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32. where is the new thread about the plane?
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 12:06 PM by Angel Wings
Is it in Matthew's Messages or somewhere on DU?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:12 PM
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34. Found this one ..
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:05 PM
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33. Hi, arikara! Did you mean to include a link? nt
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 10:13 PM
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35. OMigosh, I'm so sorry! Here it is...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I was running late for my tai chi class this morning.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:07 PM
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9. Yes, that part of the message stood out to me too but of course to put on
a :tinfoilhat: right now, with little hard evidence wouldn't be wise. I am curious as to why everything about the crash has been classified for security reasons, meaning that no one can speak about it until there is an investigation completed. I don't know if this is regular procedure or not. It seems after 9-11 though information was readily available as discoveries were made. If BushCo were responsible, and it backfired on them, wouldn't that be enough to throw the whole cabal in jail?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:23 PM
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12. Do you have
any sources indicating it has been classified? I'm not aware of that.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:34 PM
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13. It's been on all the news that no one can talk about it. Maybe the word
classified is incorrect. I couldn't think another way of putting it when everyone involved is under some kind of gag order not to talk until investigations are finished.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:38 PM
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14. Here's a source about the crew although it doesn't mention the passengers.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123212026094490481.html

My local news included the passengers, but they could be wrong.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:41 PM
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15. I left my tv
in storage, and haven't been able to watch much here. Thanks for the headsup.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 02:29 AM
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18. You're hardly the only conspiracy-minded one. Another negative
fall-out from the neocon-domination of our country is an automatic sense of suspicion & paranoia that many of us feel now whenever there is some sort of unusual tragedy. Heck, even common place tragedies illicit this thinking in my mind. I find myself automatically looking for the "who benefits the most" from the incident. I almost NEVER see anything in the political realm as an "accident" anymore. Things are becoming more & more apparent to me.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
And they had absolute power for so long, they think they still should, & will do ANYTHING to try to keep it.
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Callie McAllie Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 10:32 AM
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20. I was thinking just yesterday that it will be quite something next September 11
to have a remembrance of that event with a President in power that we can genuinely mourn and remember with, and not someone who took advantage of the tragedy for his own personal agenda and gain.

That will be the first true anniversary of the event, in some ways.

O8)
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 08:47 AM
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30. Now that you bring this up I don't remember hearing the phrase "9/11" for a whole week
I've seen it but I haven't heard it.

Nice.

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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 08:52 PM
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24. i like the thought from In Nomine tabletop game that 'Trade' is an Archangelic word
not pertinent to the flight stuff, but relevant to Matthew's messge about finances and NESARA. outside of our little bits of economic power, accorded to our current capacity, we can do so much. good. but we can also pour positive light into the economic sphere in a vibration focusing on FAIR trade and FAIR deals (because otherwise it becomes Theft, or Greed, or Secrets -- y'know, bad vibrations). and since it's rather hard for people to imagine Money being possibly a force for good ("money is the root of all evil" "for the love of money" "false god of the almighty dollar" etc), instead of just the relatively neutral tool it is, i thought it'd be nice to share a new interpretation and visualization of what all this commerce can be.

essentially the game deals with Archangels and Demon Princes vying for humanity. reality resonates to concepts, basically "Words" (yes, it's a very realist perspective, versus a nominalist one). a Word encompasses whole energetic resonances of what involves that meaning, which can change through time. so Flowers encompasses ideas of plants, peace, reproduction, love, kindness, gardens, etc. Greed involves hoarding, bad deals, cheating, egregious CEO bonuses, etc. which gets back to Trade. at first a very simple concept: one that brings humans NON-VIOLENTLY TOGETHER to MUTUALLY EXCHANGE and satisfy each other's NEEDS and/or DESIRES. inherently a wonderful thing. from there a whole arrange of neat human tools are created to facilitate this wonderfully peaceful and productive and sharing concept. but it can be corrupted and contested, just like anything.

that's where my somewhat insane comment comes in. sometimes it's hard to think of Trade and Commerce as a good thing, what with Wall Street and layoffs and outsourcing and globalization. but it has been before, and it can be again. going back to NESARA, the Light needs a way to 'get back into the game' through direct economic channels, even though it has been quite successful through external indirect channels. but what it needs is hope, light, support, imagination, and energy from people to BELIEVE it is possible. and what faster way to generate and focus belief than to give it a Name as a Target to appeal to?

in the game (it's just a game -- or is it? :evilgrin:), the Archangel of Trade is named Marc. Its job is to promote the heavenly aspects of trade, commerce, and exchange. concepts like barter, craigslist, freecycle, KIVA, etc. could all be seen as inspirations or protected by this conceptual Archangel. now, i could care less what name you use, but the idea that there is a being of light to appeal to and provide a beacon of hope in the currently troubled world of commerce is not a wholly bad idea. its not an idol to worship, or complain about unanswered prayers, or whatever, just a direction and a shape to visualize your positive energy towards Trade. think of this economic correction as a righteous vengeance upon bad actors -- but the light also needs energy to do more than punish wrongdoing, it also needs hope and imagination to fill in the vacuum left behind and help the victims.

just a thought to make Matthew's message a bit more .... "tangible" i guess.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 02:31 PM
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26. This especially speaks volumes....
....and it is now strikingly clear to those who thought it was their efforts that took your new president from a junior senator to the White House, that he has a vision for the nation and world that is diametrically opposed to their own.






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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:30 PM
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27. What do you mean,
"diametrically opposed to their own"? Whose?
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:46 PM
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28. I did not write that-the Matthew msg did...
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 04:50 PM by katty
I take THEIR meaning as: many good people as well as many super capitalists/uber materialists promoted/pushed Obama along his path to the presidency, some may have (as can be expected)thought that Obama would do "business as usual" and really not challenge the status quo, etc. Going into the 2nd week, they are realizing that Obama is quite willing/ready to challenge business as usual. (this is MY take on it-that's all) and begin to rebuild integrity in government (a long long road to be sure-if it can ever be done)and work primarily for The People, rather than favoring coporate/government interests 24/7.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:35 AM
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36. Note That The NTSB Found Bird Remains In Both Engines - Kind Of Hard To Sabotage
My take is that Matthew needs a coffee break.
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HOLOS Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:34 PM
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37. But is the NTSB telling the truth?? When the key passengers were mentioned
=only one time as i recall, i inwardly gasped as to the prominent people who were on that plane...for the life of me cannot remember the names today!!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 03:54 PM
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38. They actually showed a video of some feathers plastered to the outside
of the engine and said that bird remains were in the engines, however, that could be easy enough to fake. I hope that the results of the forensic investigation are released to the public. Until then, it's their word against Matthew's.
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