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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:36 AM
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"the inadequacy of past knowledge in a time of crisis" Taurus New Moon
The Sabian Symbol for the Lunation is 16 Taurus, the mid-point of the two Full Moons in Taurus this year. Dr. Jones, the originator of the symbols, says it is "An old man attempting vainly to reveal the Mysteries." The first thing that comes to mind is don't waste your breath trying to communicate things beyond another's ability to comprehend. We are told by Rudhyar that it is a degree of "the inadequacy of past knowledge in a time of crisis," and a type of creative frustration.

much much more...
http://www.aquariuspapers.com/astrology/2008/05/the-taurus-new.html



I have yet to digest and understand the article. It has been a tough few weeks for me, much frustration and a feeling of being trapped. and yet - a strange sense of peace an no panic - just unbearable frustration...
When I get to it I'll post more in detail - I miss being here and participating in the conversations..


:loveya: ALL
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:33 AM
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1. Thanks for the article rumpel!
Edited on Tue May-06-08 08:26 AM by Dover
Another good one by Wilkinson. I've had that sensation of being trapped too. Like trapped in matter, trapped in my body and once even had a near panic attack from that feeling. And I was able to move from that space to one of acceptance by breathing and moving into presence and feeling the vast, limitless, timeless expanse of that space...and peace (check out the movie The Diving Bell and the Butterfly on DVD for a great story about this very topic)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diving_Bell_and_the_Butterfly_(film)


I'll take a stab at the meaning of this this Sabian symbol and what Wilkinson might be trying to say -

Of course like the Tarot and I-Ching, the Sabian Symbols are about the Soul's journey and so it helps to interpret them in that context rather than more mundane interpretations based on current events.

Something that Rudhyar's Sabian Symbol book says about the meaning of 16 degrees of Taurus is this:

From the Zen point of view the mind, facing trouble, should not depend on past concepts but should repeat: "Not this! Not that!" - until the pure void is reached.

We are entering into very new territory on this planet and in our spiritual lives. Some have been awakening to this for some time, others are just beginning, while still others have not yet begun.
And we cannot rely on the old and primarily unconscious reality of the ego/mind and this material world of 'form', when entering into this new realm of experience. So how DO we make our way in such an unfamiliar place? In our dualistic world we go back and forth between opposite poles which leads to frustration. What to do? Well, if you have a Sabian Symbol book there are some clues about this in the very next degree (Taurus 17).

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A SYMBOLICAL BATTLE BETWEEN "SWORDS" AND "TORCHES
Refusing to depend upon the past, the seeker turns warrior, fighting anew the eternal "Great War".

When Gautama, having sought in vain for the answers to his questions among the teachers of tradition, sat under the Bodhi Tree, he had to fight his own battle in his own way, even though it is an eternal fight. The spiritual light within the greater Soul must struggle against the ego-will that only knows how to use the powers of the material and intellectual world. There is no possibility of escape, it is the energy that arises out of the present moment - the inescapable NOW -that the daring individual has to struggle with.

It suggests that the salvation is attained through the emergent individual's readiness to face all issues as if there were only two opposed sides. So teaches the Bhagavada-Gita. This is the dharma of this stage of human evolution: a stage of Polarization of Values.
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This ties in very nicely with what Tolle has been teaching about presence; showing us the way beyond opposites, duality and the ego world of form toward the third way...toward the present which completes the trinity. The space or stream that one enters into when fully present is a timeless, nondualistic realm and impossible to explain, which is why Tolle repeatedly says that he can only provide pointers to the way. The world of the ego must 'die' or surrender in order to enter this new place. Stepping into this infinite stream is a means of completing the circuit so that spirit can flow through us and into the world of form..manifesting through us. We are sort of the lightening rods or grounding for spirit, and must prepare ourselves to receive it.
So entering into presence in one of the primary practices leading to the new earth. This is a HUGE evolutionary step for mankind, and will require us improving our connection with the Divine by awakening and trusting and taking the leap of faith, moving with courage through our doubts, insecurities and confusion...being aware and present.

I'm also reminded of a paragraph in The I-Ching Workbook, by R.L. Wing, Hexagram 64 (Before The End):
The text of The Book of Change warns at some length, in this hexagram, of the dangers of proceeding without caution immediately Before The End. You must prepare yourself with wariness and reserve. The coming situation will be strange to you in every way, unlike any that you have experienced. In the near future you will not be able to draw upon the wealth of your acquired experience, for in many ways the time will be nothing short of a rebirth.


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Spirit into matter: lead into gold


The Trinity:

There are many aspects unified into this one powerful symbol.



Let's start with the triangle. This is an equilateral triangle with the point on top. It is an ancient symbol for Fire (Agni). It exists in all cultures. (In some cultures the triangle is reversed and symbolizes Water). The triangle is a symbol of the Holy Trinity: Brahma/Vishnu/Shiva, Father/Jesus/Holy Spirit, etc. The top point is the symbol of the Godhead, or in physics, the Monopole



- the No Thing, Stillness, Non-Dualism, Unity. In classic Kabala, manifestation of Light takes place in the form of a triangle. First there is the point, the monopole, and then light descends from the Godhead, above, towards the below. Then the light creates a third point, and eventually returns above to its Source. This represents Involution, or Spirit into Matter.




The upside down triangle with the point on the bottom is the classic symbol of Water (again, some cultures have it reversed). In the Hebrew tradition, this represents Evolution, or Matter into Spirit. This symbol also represents Inertia, which pulls downward and suppresses activity, ie, Surrender. This passive aspect of Creation thus represents the Yoni (female organ), the Emblem of Energy (Shakti), or Cosmic Nature (Prakti). The corresponding number here is two.




The Seal of Solomon is a symbol of the unification of Fire and Water, the unification of opposites, Above and Below, Male and Female. This represents Unity Consciousness. Fire, Water, Air and Earth are all contained in this symbol. The fifth element, or Quintessence, is hidden, or implied.




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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:47 PM
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4. "Not this! Not that!" - until the pure void is reached
Exactly. I find no solution in any of my past or even other people's experiences...:)

Now combining that with Karen's most recent energy readings I'd be faced with a huge dilemma of obligations, responsibilities versus what I believe is my life purpose or my own wants.
Especially when she says there is nothing we must or have to do.

We all make choices each day, and I have a feeling I am making choices against the cosmic energies and my own spirit. The cosmic energies show me wonderful options, yet the reality is based on my choices to "have to" work pretty much against it. And I have yet to create a solution.

In relation to also helping others, I stumble onto 2 articles which are so contrary to past experience and knowledge - now this is on the macro level. This surely made me ponder, and yet we know, when we send healing light, we send it to those who accept or request.
The 2 articles however is not simply based on whether someone wishes to live, but is a choice made by factoring in the costs or survivability - which to me, no one person can say with certainty. And here again, I see a dilemma with obligation and responsibilities.

One is "For the Elderly, Being Heard About Life’s End"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/health/05slow.html?em&ex=1210219200&en=df0f58ab6fc8cc9a&ei=5087%0A

and the other is "Who should MDs let die in a pandemic? Report offers answers"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3296699

thanks for sabian symbols and hinting at looking at the next symbol.


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Callie McAllie Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:46 AM
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2. It's complicated, but so interesting
He suggests being aware of where Pluto falls for the chart where you live (not a clue) and where Venus falls in your own chart.

I have Venus in the 1st house. I have been losing weight all winter and just this morning I was thinking I have to do something different with my hair. I have been a habitual nail-biter all my life and suddenly that's done, my nails have grown out and look beautiful.

I've also been thinking I need to beef up my relationships. I used to have all these female friends, but for the past few years I've really been a loner.

Maybe I should plan a Wesak party? :-) Nah, May is busy enough as it is.

I'll have to mull this over some more. Thanks for posting!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:33 AM
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3. It really is a lot to sort out, especially if you don't have a working knowledge of astrology
Edited on Tue May-06-08 10:07 AM by Dover
and the Sabian Symbols (and how they work together).

I'm not sure what he means by "chart where you live" (does he mean one's astro-location or simply one's natal chart?).

At any rate, one of the things he's talking about is the current transiting Pluto (in early Capricorn) trining transiting Saturn (in the early part of Virgo). An earth trine. And then as transiting Mars also crosses that same position of Virgo in July and transiting Mercury/Venus cross it in August there is this natural unfolding or succession of events triggering and revisiting this trine and suggesting a "liberation" on many levels.

When he speaks of this as a "liberating ordeal" it is a reference to the Sabian symbol for 2 degrees of Virgo. It's about the sacrificing of the ego-centered emotional life in order to discover real feeling drawn from a deeper well than mere emotion. And from that place springs true compassion and wisdom. (this is also, btw, the same degree of Virgo that the feb. 21st lunar eclipse was on).

And Pluto's position in the early degrees of Capricorn is all about how one handles power and leadership, and the consequences of that to the group.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:51 PM
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5. Since he starts out with the astro location
I took that to be what he meant...

I have to check both.
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Callie McAllie Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:49 PM
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7. sacrificng the ego-centered emotional life
oops. you got me there. ;-)
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:14 AM
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6. Daaaaamn. Spot on for me. nt
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