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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:15 PM
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The 21st Century Heir to Nostradamus?
This arrived as an email, so I think it's fine to post the bulk of it here:

THE HEIRS OF NOSTRADAMUS
Clues the Prophet of Provence left
Suggesting "Who" will be
His best Interpreter in the 21st Century


Friends,
I have received so many responses to my bulletin about the Nostradamus code breaker "errors" that it seems only fair to talk next about "heirs" of Nostradamus the prophet may have foreseen as contemporaries of our day. Who, therefore, measures up to his criterion? Two passages from publications ink pressed a decade before lay out the parameters for legitimacy and I hope, right descernment. I leave response to this prescient litmus test up to you. Play detective if you wish. You can present your conclusion who in your opinion is the heir of Nostradamus and why in an email that with your permission will join the summation of others in a future bulletin. The following two excerpts were written in 1995 and published in 1997. The second excerpt is more an editorial on Nostradamian hubris than a clue trail to find the winner of the "Mr. Nostradamian Universe" contest:


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EXCERPT ONE:

De cinq cens ans plus compte l'on tiendra,

Celuy qu'estoit l'ornement de son temps:
Puis vn coup grande clart donra,
Que par ce siecle les rendra trescontens.

For five hundred years more they will take notice of him,
Who was the ornament of his time:
Then suddenly a great revelation will be made,
which will make people of that century well pleased.

Nostradamus (1555) 3 Q94


The obscurity of the grammar may make this quatrain a grammatical trap laid to expose the delusions of grandeur of most interpreters of Nostradamus to date. Nearly all scholars of the seer wave this quatrain around like some kind of banner of validation for their particular interpretation. The key to unlocking this quatrain's message is in how one deciphers which people of which century will be well pleased by their finest interpreter's commentary. On the other hand, all overt or covert self-delusion aside, the answer may be too obvious for the self-focused Nostradamian scholar to divine. The people and century could be that of Nostradamus' contemporaries. Counting five hundred years from the publication of Les Propheties gives us until A.D. 2055 to ponder on whose occult understanding of Nostradamus is right.

David Pitt Francis, on page 277 of his book Nostradamus: Prophecies of Pres! ent Times? makes a good observation that Nostradamus may not have intended that we count 500 calendar years. But I disagree with his assumption that the end of the world and the Second Coming of Christ are expected by the year 2000; this would land Nostradamus' true interpreter and dispenser of revelations more than 55 years after the end of the world. Despite this rather Judeo-Christian prejudice for doomsday at the Millennium, Francis makes a good point that Nostradamus, being a Christianized Jew, may have counted lunar rather than solar years, namely, years with 12 months of 29.3 days each for a total of 354.3 days. Five hundred lunar years equal 484.5 solar years.

"Calculating from Nostradamus' birth in 1503, this gives a terminating date of about 1987," says Francis. "The most appropriate date for an 'inspired' interpretation of the Centuries is therefore shortly before 1987/88, too late for the many claimants of the past, but just bef! ore Nostradamus' date for the end of the world." The luna! r calend ar dates Judgment Day for the year 1997. So, since this book is scheduled for release in the spring of 1997, and if you are still alive to read this, I guess Francis or Nostradamus got it wrong.


Quatrain Indexing Date: Q94 = 1994, perhaps an important year for some new revelation on Nostradamus? Maybe not.


Nostradamus: The Complete Prophecies (1997),
pp.288 289.


EXCEPT TWO:

Vingt ans du regne de la Lune passez,

Sept mil ans autre tiendra sa monarchie:
Quand le Soleil prendra ses iours lassez,
Lors accomplit & mine ma prophetie.

When twenty years of the Moon's reign have passed,
Another will take up its reign for 7,000 years:
When the exhausted Sun gathers up its days,
Then my prophecy and threats will be accomplished.

Nostradamus (1555) 1 Q48



The Nostradamus controversy (whether he is a prophet or a practical joker) is approaching 450 years in running. This quatrain might clue us in to the length of the prophet's legacy. Roussat believes the astrological lunar cycle mentioned above is that of 1535 to 1889. Twenty years after 1535 is Les Propheties publication day, 1555. This could extend Nostradamus' chronicle of human history beyond the ninth millennium.


Nostradamus: The Complete Prophecies (1997),
p. 107



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Who then is Nostradamus' number one homey of hoary hocus with the most interpretive pocus? What did Nostradamus say?

All interpreters of Nostradamus like to play "Nostradamus says." Because of this I've often formed my responses to the question "What does Nostradamus sayetc.?" on email, radio and TV with the caveat, "Nostradamus hasn't said anything for a long time. He's been dead for nearly 500 years. What is true is that I'm saying something according to my understanding of Nostradamus."

I wish more latter-day diviners of the long-departed seer would make this distinction.

Beware of the interpreter's ego. I always try to keep this in mind.

But it would be redundant to tag "in my opinion" to every interpretation made, so let me say up front that anything I write about Nostradamus' prophecies is my interpretation. I won't hide behind the etheric cop-out that I'm "channeli! ng" his ghost, some New Age angel, dolphin or space alien-leprechaun. If I get it wrong it is my fault, not someone or something else's. The winner of the "most favored interpreter" label will be the one whose interpretations gain strength over the coming half-century. The jury consists of fifty future years seated, waiting.


--END--
John Hogue
04 October 2007

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:15 PM
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1. That's interesting Dover. Thanks for sharing.
You are okay putting up the whole email because it's not a copyright violation, which is what Skinner et al are worried about.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 11:24 PM
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2. Thanks Cleita. I wasn't up on that rule. Makes sense though...n/t
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