Zeitgeist movie

[Celebration]

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com /

Something about this two hour movie was posted in GD, so I watched it. The first one fourth or so is appropriate for discussion here. The whole thing is pretty interesting. For one thing, it starts out with sound alone so that we who have lite broadband connection can pretty much see it without interruption. Another interesting thing is that almost everybody will have some bone to pick with it, somewhere (For me it is mostly the income tax things in it).

There are the usual conspiracy theory one world government things, rather effectively stated and put together.

One thing that I have not seen associated with all this is the first part, which is an anti organized religion/Christianity theme, actually stating that there is NO historical Jesus, and is entirely based on myth. It actually makes a good case for that. Naturally I knew about Constantine pretty much taking over the religion for his own purposes in 325. It really did not occur to me that there may be no historical Jesus. It just isn't something I give a lot of thought to. There are actually some pretty hysterical George Carlin routines in this part of the movie. Additionally, the astrological parallels between the story of Christ in the bible and other myths are quite convincing.

So, I would say that someone like Alex Jones would love this movie, AFTER the debunking of Christianity, but could not sit through this first part.

Anyway, anything that starts with a good long look at astrology/Christianity roots and ends up with people being microchipped is worth mentioning here. If any astrologers have a take on all this, I would be interested to know what you think of this.

[Celebration]

1. 11:40

Okay, if you are a little irreverant (okay a lot irreverant) like me, but still spiritual, check out the brilliant George Carlin take on organized religion at eleven minutes and forty seconds (about). George Carlin is just...........great. Love him. If you are really into organized religion, in terms of buying into it, PLEASE PASS.

For the astrology buffs--15:25 is when the astrology stuff begins.

zodiac, procession of the equinoxes, myths, etc. etc.

Sort of kicking because I really want the astrology people here to comment. i'm astrology challenged.

The very end of the film also pertains to this group, specifically. In between is all the Alex Jones type stuff.

Enjoy!!

[catzies]

2. Saw the whole thing, but since I paused it a lot to Google & wiki things,

t took me longer than the 2 hours running time.

I ketp going over things in my mind that were in it all last week, & even thought about Zeitgeist again when I saw Sicko Friday night. More than anything I keep coming back to how religion set us up for believing all kinds of things governments would eventually do.

[Celebration]

3. Oh, good

Glad you watched it. The whole thing intrigued me. I had encountered all the ideas in the film at one point or another, but nothing that put *all* of them together. I'm still to ignorant about astrology to have a good take on the first part--as an example, the three kings actually being stars in the sky.

[Why Syzygy]

22. Kings, Wise Men or Magi

The word Magi is a Latinization of the plural of the Greek word magos (μαγος . μαγοι , itself from Old Persian maguŝ from the Avestan moγu. The term is a specific occupational title referring to the priestly caste of Zoroastrianism. As part of their religion, these priests paid particular attention to the stars, and gained an international reputation for astrology, which was at that time a highly regarded science. Their religious practices and use of astrological sciences caused derivatives of the term Magi to be applied to the occult in general and led to the English term magic. Translated in the King James Version as wise men, the same word is given as sorcerer and sorcery when describing "Elymas the sorcerer" in Acts 13:6-11, and Simon Magus, considered a heretic by the early Church, in Acts 8: 9-13.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi

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4. WOW. I just finished watching it, and I'm still a little frazzled.

The astrological and historical (Egyptian) part is true, and is repeated in libraries full of spiritual & astrological texts.

It sure does tie everything together in one place that we discuss here on DU on a regular basis.

Right now, I need to take a break and start visualizing the truth coming to light for everyone in the world, so that we can create the kind of world we want, rather than the world these creeps envision for their own greed.

This thread needs to be kicked back up.

[MorningGlow]

5. Just finished watching

Wow--really good stuff, all succinctly put. I knew a lot of the content already, and it was impressive to see it all collected in one place like that. I'm also glad that the filmmakers reference their sources right on the site. Nice touch.

I did not know about the astrological elements behind the Old and New Testament stories. I really enjoyed that! And the Jesus individual being linked to the Age of Pisces makes sense of the damned fish thing. (Hey, any practical light/true background that can be shed on bible stories makes me a happy camper.)

I also don't know enough about money/the financial world to make heads or tails of that section of the movie, so if anyone could speak to that, I'd be most grateful.

[Celebration]

6. Pisces

I think that was my favorite part of it--all about the age of Pisces being related to those fish things on the back of people's cars.......

I am of two minds about the financial things. It is so waaaaay alternative to want to get rid of the Federal Reserve (and kinda kooky right wing too) that I find myself not being sold by that part of it. I generally have kinda kooky ideas but I am a little more mainstream in this area. However, I certainly see the point of not having a Federal Reserve--our government *could* just print money--then we would not owe interest!! The Federal Reserve (I think it began early in the 20th century), which is privately owned by banks, makes money by borrowing and lending money. There is what is called a "fractional reserve system" by which more money is created so the economy can grow. We used to have this along with silver certificates (our paper dollars being exchangeable for a certain amount of silver--remember those *real* silver dollars). Before that there was gold!! Then, we were not allowed to own gold coins, except for a few, after the gold certificates were abolished.

The upshot of all of this is that our money, which is paper, now has nothing backing it. When the price of silver went up in the 70s we stopped making dimes and quarters, even, out of real silver because it was too expensive, and would no longer exchange paper dollars for silver. So these *kooky* people point out that this is really a sham. But then some of the kooky people are accused of being antisemitic--some Jewish families have traditionally been in the banking business.

There is just a ton of stuff on all this on the 'net. I bet you could type in Federal Reserve on YouTube and watch all kinds of stuff on it. Some say that JFK was about to issue direct paper money from the Treasury Department rather than through the Federal Reserve and that is why he was killed. I kind of doubt it. He was going to do that, but I doubt that had much to do with why he was assassinated. I could be wrong.

I probably would not have originally picked our monetary system but it has actually served us pretty well since it began. Fundamentally though, it is a bit disturbing that money is now nothing more than a piece of paper or a bookkeeping entry, isn't it? Our money isn't that much different from a Ponzi scheme.

[Why Syzygy]

9. I watched it.

Very good coverage especially on 911.

The banking scheme was explained very well. I've seen/heard, but never understood to that degree.
The IRS part really chaps me. Four months of the year your labor goes into the house of Rothschild/Chase. For no reason. Other than to make them richer and more powerful.

The mind control aspect of these things bothers me a lot. Many people are hypnotized by entertainment. I think it is obvious that even politics can become a game unto itself, more money making schemes. The media ...

One of the speakers on the film is Jordan Maxwell. I recognized his voice. Someone here is going to start showing his videos for a meetup group.

A lot of this has come into focus for me recently. That's why I'm just happy go lucky.
I am not worried. I know I'm not getting an RFID so guess that means I'm on my own. Nothing new.

Thanks for posting.

[Grateful for Hope]

7. I think the movie is excellent

I watched it after it was posted in the 9/11 forum (over there, some are accusing the movie makers of plagarism). I have never seen such a succinct "summary" of "control of the masses" via religion, corporations, and government.

I think the movie is actually giving astrology a lot of credit (rightfully so, IMO).

[crikkett]

8. I saw this movie and then thought about it for a couple of days.

Because I've seen other conspiracy theories recently.

So the guy debunks the Jesus myth and to a much lesser extent, the Moses myth and the flooding myth. I'm guessing that this movie was put out before the Jesus tomb was found last year (that tomb suggests that Jesus was a rabbi and lived into his 70s.)

I think that the reason the producers chose to debunk Christianity is because it's the major religion of the population being controlled by the 9/11 myth.

It comes down to what information you choose to beleive. And I follow Caroline Casey's advice: Beleive nothing! Entertain possibilities.

(I don't even spell beleive correctly because then the word 'lie' would be embedded in it.)

[PinkTiger]

14. I also withhold beleef (spelled wrong a different way, lol)

because while the religion part sounds very right on, the conspiracy theory part is a bit much to swallow, regarding 911. Applying Occam's razor, it stands more to reason that the government allowed it to happen and then utilized it for its own purposes. I don't think it follows that they somehow planted evidence and caused the buildings to collapse.

[PinkTiger]

15. sorry, dupe

[I Have A Dream]

10. Just saw it tonight. It was worth seeing.

A local coffee shop was having a "Subversive Movies" night, and it was the featured movie.

I thought that the opening part was especially interesting.

[mysticalchick]

11. Thanks for the recommendation ...

... I am watching it now - about halfway through it - and like how it progressively shows the connections between religion and politics as a means for certain individuals to gain control.

It's my sense that once you learn this information, even if you reject it on the surface, it starts to bubble in your subconscious and you can't 'not' see the connections any longer. As someone who intuitively looks beneath the surface of things and asks that fun question "who benefits from this?", connections like these make sense. To put it succinctly: Shit doesn't just happen in a vacuum. And documentaries like "Loose Change" or "Fahrenheit 9-11" really show how it all ties together.

Back to the last hour of it ... again, thanks for recommending it on here.

[mysticalchick]

12. Just finished it ...

... very well done. And scary as shit.

How can we help others wake up?

[Fire Walk With Me]

13. The unrepentant greed of the profiteers in government is helping a little...

as is the resulting economic trend...

[demgrrrll]

16. Amazing. Everyone should see this documentary.

[Why Syzygy]

18. The Cross and the Crown.

After that connection, I notice it all the time. They are the consistent tools of subversion.

I think you will start to notice that more people already are aware of this information than you imagined.

[Delphinus]

17. I found it by accident one night

and sent it off to everyone I knew.

Popol Vuh had already turned me (or the ASAH group) on to the Astro-theology, but it was grand to see it again. Most of the things on 9-1-1 were already known, but in different places. I think it was very helpful to have it all in one movie.

Man, the lies we've been told!

And, I'm pretty sure that Alex Jones was part of the movie - some of the information that you would hear from the speakers were certainly very close to things he's said.

[MrMickeysMom]

19. It could it be that there WAS a historical Jesus that fit right into the myth?

See, that's what I got from the first part of the movie. Maybe I need to watch it again.

I don't have any issues whether Jesus lived as published or unpublished books of the bible portray. The myth of Jesus, it would seem, was necessary for people of those days who needed a focal point for them to keep the faith, continuing to doing "good works" by the SON, or SUN, or whatever...

Zeitgeist drew me in and made me think in many ways, and I'm not nutty (I don't think I'm nutty). Well, I'm not quite the Alex Jones type. Christianity is good, but it's been used for things NOT so good.

This movie sent the message that it's time for humanity to perhaps be "okay" with religious values portrayed through mythological figures, not because they have to believe in what actually happened with these figures in terms of current events of the time, but because of the value OF those figures AND myth. The movie said WAY more, but regarding the Jesus myth...

HEY- I'll use whatever myth will work for my definition of how to love the other person (even though it's really hard, at times). If Jesus is no different "truth" than whatever got our ancestors to that place where they found peace in their heart, then Jesus is just alright with me (apologies to that really good Doobie Brothers song from the 70's).

[prostock69]

20. There were several historically, written about self-proclaimed

messiahs roaming around Jerusalem during that time. All of them performing miracles and raising the dead. Miracles were not anything special. If you were a person of importance, you were expected to "fool the masses." Yes, there could have been a historical Jesus. He just didn't stand out like the others, who were written about by contemporary authors (outside the bible) who lived during that time. All the more reason to suspect that the gospels were written with an astrotheological theme to support his existence, since astrology-based paganism was what the people worshiped before Christianity.

[Why Syzygy]

21. I'm no defender of

organized religion. I believe the Catholic church in particular is apostate these days. Meaning, not keeping with the original teachings of the first church.

The problem with the first part of the video is that the claims have no primary sources. They are not documented, merely presented as facts. Research does not bear them out as valid. I wasn't aware of this until very recently.

Vid: Take the Zeitgeist Movie Challenge.

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23. It's all a little interesting

Are there any primary sources of the historical existence of Jesus? Or are the original sources all historical (written well after his death)?

I'm not exactly sure what the Dead Sea Scrolls add to this argument, but probably something.

I'm not sure that it matters if Jesus is historically accurate. There's so much myth surrounding it all........we know all about the manger scene and gold, frankincense and myrrh, and nothing about the young adulthood. That seems a little farfetched.

And we also run into a lot of translation issues. I'd love to get a true historian's perspective on the historical Jesus. We are told that King Arthur was a myth. Or was he?

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24. Zietgiest-The Addendum

If you guys liked the first movie be sure to check out the Addendum.