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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:18 AM
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What is the energy (light) we work with?
Is it 3rd dimension or another dimensionality?

The Law of Attraction talks about "vibrations", and how everything has it's own "vibration".
So, someone was talking about this last night. It was pointed out that vibrations are measured in megahertz? (if I understood correctly)
I've been taking in so much information lately, my brain is kind of freezing up.
Wish I had one of those clarity moments like LilD had. Anyway, water has a vibrational level that matches microwaves. This is all news to me. It is looking at Energy from the other direction.

We use it all the time. What do ya'll think it is? Is it on this plane? Is it more than One?
Astrologers and followers 'use' planet energy, do they not? So what is that energy? Do we have a name for it?

Curious.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:09 PM
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1. Great question, VSM
Wish I knew the answer! :)

I find it amusing that my best friend and I started working on our craft as soon as we saw Star Wars--because we knew that the Force was real. And we were right. (Well, the original definition of the Force--"the energy that binds the universe together" as Obi-Wan said in the original movie, not the cop-out explanation of parasitic microscopic midichlorians taking up residence in some people--the explanation that was tossed out in one of the prequels--I mean, WTF, George? :crazy: )

ANYway--that's the way I perceive the energy we work with. But what it is, exactly? Dunno the answer to that one! I'm keen to read others' thoughts on this! :hi:
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 01:10 PM
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2. See what you think of this.
"The Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav helped me understand the way energy works. In this book Gary says:

"Similarly, the philosophical implications of quantum mechanics is that all of the things in our universe (including us) that appear to exist independently are actually parts of one all-emcompassing organic pattern, and that no parts of that pattern are ever really separate from it or from each other."

We, as human beings, have the ability to change the rate of our own vibration, to become "in tune" with virtually any other rate of vibration. Positive emotions and states of mind have a "higher" vibration (like the Force, for example). It's everywhere and exists in everything, but we must become like it to access it.

Some physicists and philosophers say that love has the highest rate of vibration. Others say that we come here to relearn to love everything. Still others say that God is love. People who object to personifying the original creative force can say that the Universe is made of love.

It's One but it's also Many (at the same time), which makes it a paradox, and paradox always contains elements of the divine.

Anyway, that helped me a lot.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 01:34 PM
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4. there you go
telepathic coherence - right there.

:)
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 02:50 PM
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5. I grok you, Rumpel! n/t
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 08:42 AM
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16. I have 'almost' read that book so many times!
Edited on Sun Mar-04-07 08:45 AM by votesomemore
I know someone that owns it, so maybe I'll borrow it.

Since reading everyone's answers, I feel further away than ever. Not that ya'll didn't offer good explanations. You did. But it is very much a pardox isn't it.

I have the firm belief everything is One and belongs to the same original source. I have long held the belief that 'sin' is the ignorance or denial of this basic state. The 'I'm better than you are' (my god is, my country is, my money is ...) scenario.

So, 'creative force', ie, 'creative energy' is 'love'? That throws more into the equation. As you know, our word, "love", is very inadequate to describe a blissful state, which I think is closer to the intended meaning.
I wish we were more like the Greeks and had a variety of words for "love".
To fit it into the explanation, a definition for "love" has to be provided.

This rings a little bell. Some have said (I've never made an opinion) that "God", The Force, Creative Energy created the world in order to express itself, to know itself, to experience physical reality. If this is the case, and we are part of this energy, then the only way we can really know ourselves, or the energy (ours and the greater), is to create, to express ourselves in the outer world? And how much greater is the greater? Haven't we been told we can do great works too?
But would this mean that being a part of energy, I can't really observe or understand it?

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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 09:23 AM
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18. I love to talk to you.
You go deep.

All my own studies on the this subject agree on one thing. The rational mind (brain) can almost be called the enemy of spiritual development. All understanding of "It" must bypass thinking. It can only be understood by experiencing it directly. Many paths already exist to achieve that, including meditation. All methods seek to temporarily still the conscious mind, so that You can experience, even for a second, that You and It are one and the same. In a very real sense, the conscious mind fights this. The brain considers such acts as meditation contrary to its prime directive of survival. It's only with gradual, repeated exposure to meditation that altered states of consciousness can be achieved.

Honestly, the why of it all still escapes me. During meditation, I have felt that it's "all ok", and I hope to understand more as I go along.

Understanding and knowing have nothing to do with thinking.

You're right. Love is my word, and no one else's. I think words fail us as we approach "It" directly. My brief glimpses of "It" can accurately be called no word that I know.

These things I've said are only my opinion. You're welcome to complain to the management (me) or disagree. It's fun to talk about it, isn't it?
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 01:32 PM
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3. A scientist by the name of Valerie V. Hunt
has pretty much established over the course of 30 years through experiments that there exist something called the human energy field or HEF.
She conducted numerous experiments at UCLA (now retired) and found that people who have certain "abilities" vibrate at a higher level. Also, she found that during meditation the frequency rises. Now the interesting part is that these vibrations co-relate to the Earth's own magnetic field, which vibrates at +- certain frequency, which is termed the Schuman resonance.
http://www.ncedc.org/ncedc/em.intro.html

They created a room at UCLA's lab, which completely shut out any and all outside frequencies and placed people in the room and monitored what happened. Without fail, people started getting confused, incoherent and ultimately had broken out in tears. Additionally, they were not able to stand straight. The conclusion of these series of experiments was that we require Earth's frequency to function.

Based on that our Earth's frequency gets it's energy exchange from the cosmos. No one disputes at least scientifically so far, the sun and the moon affect Earth's energies, and vice versa, right? So I think "light" is cosmic energy of which we all are part of...

But, recently as the MIT professor (name escapes me at the moment) talked about the sidereal time affecting our Psyche and him mentioning the current suggestion in the scientific community that this "energy" perhaps coming from a specific direction or point in the cosmos is also quite intriguing, but yet to be studied.

I tend to think "light" exist in all dimensions, it is whether we consciously tap into it, block it, or only partially connect to it or not at all.

the book which explains her experiments is called "The Infinite Mind".

Here is her site:
http://www.bioenergyfields.org/index.asp?SecId=4&SubSec...

In a related matter, in that I believe this to be a non 3-D dimension, Rupert Sheldrake talks of Morphic Fields and Morphic Resonance.

"Morphogenetic fields are not fixed forever, but evolve. The fields of Afghan hounds and poodles have become different from those of their common ancestors, wolves. How are these fields inherited? I propose that that they are transmitted from past members of the species through a kind of non-local resonance, called morphic resonance."
http://www.sheldrake.org/Articles&Papers/papers/morphic...

The morphic fields of social groups connect together members of the group even when they are many miles apart, and provide channels of communication through which organisms can stay in touch at a distance. They help provide an explanation for telepathy. There is now good evidence that many species of animals are telepathic, and telepathy seems to be a normal means of animal communication, as discussed in my book DOGS THAT KNOW WHEN THEIR OWNERS ARE COMING HOME. Telepathy is normal not paranormal, natural not supernatural, and is also common between people, especially people who know each other well.

DOGS THAT KNOW WHEN THEIR OWNERS ARE COMING HOME - the telepathy you can watch every week in action in Dog Whisperer. We all do it - I do it. Try it, you do not need to give him a verbal command - say, like sit! get his attention (when he is already in a different state of mind this does not work, you have to command his full attention) and then mentally visualize him sitting - don't say it out loud, in you mind say sit. I sometimes think, verbal commands are confusing them, that is when you have to say; "sit sit sit, sit, I said, sit" and he just looks at you 'yeah, right'. :rofl: They see what your mind visualizes - for example, when I am thinking - oops, I have to go to the store to get this or that - the dog will pick it up and look at you in expectation - run towards the leash - door whatever your routine is next.

I have not had the opportunity to read many of his books yet - and I am not sure whether he touches on the subject of apparitions, but I thought - just maybe, those phenomena exist in such morphic fields (?)

This energy is probably also part of "light". People with NDE's speak of bright light, an enormous sense of love, is this perhaps the entire unobstructed cosmic energy or frequency?

Another interesting tidbit from Prof. Hunt. When humidity is low it affects our field, too - that is why, during the Santa Ana winds, here in S. CA people get restless. I guess energy is not as conducive.

and with that - I think I am going to go soak in the tub with a good book. :)

sorry it got so long...just a few thoughts
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 05:47 AM
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15. There seems to be a consensus among prominent physicists
that the universe is made up of energy. And they believe we are part of that universe!

Rumpel have you read HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE by Talbott?

I am reading it now and it is blowing my mind.

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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 11:39 AM
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23. No - but I will
check it out - asap :)

In 1999 the concept of Holography was in the LA Times. It blew my mind and thought it's very hard to grasp at the time. - Now I am more in tune with it.
I started researching on consciousness and found Karl Pribram (Holographic Brain Theory)and Bohm among others - it is quite fascinating...
The 2 inch folder of printouts includes papers of skeptics...I want to be balanced. Sad that many scientists trying to find answers to solve the holes in previous theories are still fighting dogmatic science.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 11:44 AM
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24. I think you will like Talbot's book. He interviews major physicists
and talks extensively about all of their work.
He presents with a left brain orientation. He points out
the areas of agreement and disagreement among leading scientists.
He then goes into psychic phenomena and the leading research and how
it coincides with holographic theory.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 09:00 AM
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17. Wow, Rumpel ..
Your scholarship always amazes me! You are such a deep thinker. It is very encouraging to get your input.

Rumpel wrote:
I tend to think "light" exist in all dimensions

VSM:
Interesting. I never thought about that. IIRC time and space are how the 3rd dimension is differentiated from other dimensions? I suppose there would be some type of 'matter'? And light? Just no time or space... This is something I'll need to dig into a bit more. What do the books about the afterlife indicate about these qualities?

Rumpel:
bioenergy fields link:
Everything that exists in space is atomic. All the energy in the world comes from atoms, and energy becomes organized: the atom of my desk and the atom of my ring are exactly the same as my atom; they are only controlled and organized in a different way.
Lightning is organized energy.
A rock is organized energy.

VSM:
Yeah. I got the feeling while reading upthread that what I'm asking is tantamount to asking to understand an atom, a quark, a string. Oh sure. I don't ask much.

I've spoken with NDEs, and I do agree 'death' sounds like:

"unobstructed cosmic energy or frequency"

I'm going to read more of the bioenergy site. Thanks as always.



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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:47 PM
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25. It is a really fascinating subject
Edited on Sun Mar-04-07 01:55 PM by rumpel
and I am nowadays looking at various material to figure out if there is any basis to what I perceive in my gut instinct.

I had an aha moment some time ago, when I read the book by Lama Surya Das "Awakening The Buddha Within". He said when I hit a drum I hear the sound but I do not see it, but it does not mean it does not exist, in a totally different context. I suddenly thought - wait, sound = energy = light. Could it be one and the same thing? The chanting, the drumming the Schuman resonance (Earth heartbeat) all vibrations and we have been trying to synchronize with it throughout history.
And then I thought maybe "emptiness" in Buddhism is simply the core nucleus of a vibration. Which implies, we as human beings, also energy, albeit a complex mechanism of millions of energies, which processes are guided by our DNA, are supposed to try to tune into the core vibration.(?)

The energy of a group of people chanting, drumming in rhythm is an intriguing fact - you feel it but you do not see it, you know it's there. Is it matter? Are we creating matter through creating a collective energy or vibration?

So these days, I wonder about the cosmic energies. We know of the tugging of gravities, the solar winds, the electro magnetic fields. We also know that the Schuman resonance is not a process inside of Earth but is in the atmosphere. We know the cosmos, it's celestial bodies emit UV, X-Ray and gamma rays - all energies. And then there are many energies that we know exist but have not been able to identify.

The empty space, which by no means is empty at all, the dark space or to us invisible space must be a hodgepodge of All vibrations and processes.

I am currently totally intrigued and am reading a book my daughter's therapist gave me many years ago. She gave me 2 books from Lazaris. At the time, I was quite skeptic about channelers, especially those that charge an arm and a leg for their books. I read some portions of them but it was quite foreign and I put them on the shelf.
I picked it up yesterday, because of the possibility of the Sirius system being the binary system affecting our solar system in ways which would turn one current theory on it's head. In the book "The Sirius Connection"(1996) he says many interesting things among them in Birth of the Universe:
This universe is a shimmering bubble of free will floating in torus of space-time. It is a shimmering sphere that seems to function as a dimensional hologram.

He then explains holographic photography. The photographic image, a reflection of light(s) of an object like "tiny little ball bearings" is recorded onto the film. To the naked eye holographic film looks like ripples, it looks like an interference pattern, a mishmosh - chaos. And then he says, "researchers now know that that on a single piece of film no more than one inch square that you could put all the information contained in 300,000-400,000 pages of a book."

Now, imagine that our film is not a one inch square but a tiny sphere. Imagine that our film is a shimmering bubble.
When those seeds of energy
(tiny little ball-bearings - above) began filling the space - landing within the bubble that is our universe - they created interference patterns, ripples. None of them were "visible". Some were elliptical; others, symmetrical. They began to "fill the space."

Out of interference patterns that are everywhere and nowhere at once, standing waves emerge. Resonance emerges As energy flows through these interference and resonance patterns, it takes formation and in time, it becomes information: molecular, gaseous, matter.


Whoa - So I am looking around - someone on DU posts an unrelated article about Inca astronomy from a site - I look around and find this:

Hubble sees 'Comet Galaxy' being ripped apart by galaxy cluster

A giant luminous blue arc corresponds to the distorted image of a galaxy that lies behind the clusters core. This effect resembles the so-called caustic pattern of light ripples observed when looking at a sandy bottom as light is focused by the wave crests and valleys. In the gravitational lens here, the yellow cluster galaxies act as wave crests whereas the banana-shaped arcs are the caustic patterns created by the focusing power of the matter cluster.
http://www.physorg.com/news92062433.html

"Millions of now homeless stars have been snatched away from their mother galaxy, which will lead the galaxy to age prematurely," said co-investigator Giovanni Covone of Osservatorio Astronomico di Capodimonte.

Even though its mass is slightly larger than that of the Milky Way, the spiral will inevitably lose all its gas and dust as well as its chance of generating new stars later, and become a gas-poor galaxy with an old population of red stars. "However, in the midst of all this destruction, the clusters strong forces have triggered a baby-boom of star formation," adds Covone.


Lazaris talks about the Sirius Vortex (energy = information) that we now have access to. I am still working on that one....
so I have been looking for the Sirius ephemeris (for Mac) to see what I can find.
I want to also check into the channeler himself...there seem to have been some controversy.

Long story, short: Just like the Maya believed that numbers (math) is not quantitative but qualitative, it may also apply to light=energy=vibration=information.(?)

...sorry my mind is going a hundred miles in all directions..I hope I make some sense, blah. :crazy:
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 04:43 PM
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27. Holographic theory says that everything is energy, we just
choose to see or experience it in certain ways.
For example when we look at a person, we are really only seeing
the person in our retinas and brain. It is doubtful that
what we are seeing really exists in the form we perceive.

Some theorists say that our reality is more habit then real.
We are habituated to certain ways of seeing the world and energy.

We are looking at holograms, but then we are also holograms.
So holograms looking at holograms and all part of one big energy mass.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 08:01 PM
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28. which again
is a hologram...
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:30 AM
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30. BINGO! Holograms in holograms interacting with and by holograms.
they begin to lose me at this point :(
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 08:25 PM
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29. this channeler...
as I check, it seems there are still the same couple of websites that say - he is a scam, but with a disclaimer, based on hearsay. They say, that Lazaris basically just combines other sources like Jung, Cayce, Seth etc and presents it quite well. In a sense, for my purposes it's fine, it's not the chanelling part that interest me. I just have to find the actual source or visionary. On a moral and ethics sense: what fools.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 06:04 PM
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6. Energy
We are all energy.
We are all connected.
All of it is from the Divine.
We are all part of the whole and part of God.

Earth inhabitants have a very dense and low vibrational level.
Other realms and more evolved entities vibrate at a higher level.

With meditation and living a spiritual life we can all vibrate at higher levels.
We can all connect to the planes. It is all right here, all around us.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 06:37 PM
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7. beautifully and wonderfully put cass
I would only amend with the belief that, if my 5000 year memory serves, these energies are more easily accessible to all of us than ever before.

Or. . .as Raymo quips so succinctly. . ."so-o-o. . . this amazing energy previously unavailable to humanity, walks into a bar. The bartender says. . ."Woh. . . ". . . everybody gets enlightened.

Gemini's. . . gotta love 'em.

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 07:48 PM
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8. Yes
The ancients here on Earth were quite connected to the other side.

Then for a number of reasons we became unable to connect.

Then more recently we are supposed to be receivng large amts of light to help us.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 08:03 PM
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11. Yeah but can you believe the prankster kid reduced 120 pages of my laborious writing
to one stupid bar joke.

He will always blow my mind. So funny.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 05:40 AM
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13. It seems to be our kids' job to keep us humble :(
Gem and Leo can be a wickedly funny combo.....
Very funny and right on....

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 07:52 PM
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9. Planetary energy
All energy is from God.

The energy from the planets are God's gifts to us.

To help us evolve as souls.

To come off the karmic wheel and ascend.

He gave us the energy in highly symbolic coded form via something called planets.

He will give us more as we are ready to receive new planets and cosmic bodies.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 07:54 PM
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10. The coin of the realm in the Universe is ENERGY.
When we pass over, that is what it will all be about.

Energy is the most valuable resource in the universe.

We can take nothing with us to the other side but our energetic levels. That is the soul's bank account so to speak.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 08:05 PM
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12. Don't leave us too soon dear
Things are gonna get really interesting very shortly methinks.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 02:52 PM
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26. Yup..
me thinks so, too

:)
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:32 AM
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31. Don't worry. No early release for good behavior on this planet.
I am here for the long haul.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 05:43 AM
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14. I think so. I found some good eclipse predictions for the USA.
Am going to post them on the astro forum.
The Pluto square is important just as you say.
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 09:40 AM
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19. At the risk of confusing you further.....
I recently read "The Divine Matrix" and it really cleared things up for me.

Consider this: Scientifically, if there was "nothing" out there then cell phones, faxes, etc...couldn't work. The wave particles have to travel on "something". All we know about the "something" is that it is invisible. Although we see those things (cell phones, faxes, etc...) as being the height of technology, compared to what a human being can do, they are very primitive imitations. They are actually the human race trying to re-create something in physical form that we have forgotten exists in ourselves.

So....the real reality is that using the same idea as how a cell phone works, we should be able to talk to anyone in the world....without the cell phone.

It would be best to read the book because I don't know if I explained that very well.
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 09:58 AM
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20. You did a great job of explaining it!
And you made me want to read "The Divine Matrix".
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 10:34 AM
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21. Divine Matrix
It is a wonderful book, I love Gregg Braden's work...I was guided in quiet time this morning to re-read it...
...that's now been wonderfully reinforced by finding it in this thread...
don't cha just love synchronicity...
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 11:21 AM
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22. You got a big hug and kiss from Something Wonderful with that one. n't
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