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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:08 PM
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Sending light and love to our adversaries
I have been an avid reader of this group for about a year, and, I have seen that there is a lot of valuable info here. I thank all here for this.

What I am concerned about is that I have come to the conclusion that we are up against power in the world so much so that we can't fight in any other way than to send these "world leaders" as much light and love as we can muster.

Maybe I am wrong, (I sure hope so}, but, I think not.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:27 PM
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1. You aren't wrong, IMHO, it's just hard to want to do sometimes
:hi: :)
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:48 PM
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4. Thank You! n/t
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:02 PM
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8. Thank You n/t
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:45 PM
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2. I think that you are exactly correct, especially for those of us who...
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 08:55 PM by I Have A Dream
have the ability to send energy well. In my opinion, many people in this group are light workers who incarnated on Earth at this time specifically to deal with what we're currently going through and will be going through in the future. We are light warriors. The worst thing that we can do, in my opinion, is get pulled down into fear and anger. (Especially fear because it is the opposite of light.)

(On edit: Changed "came here" to "incarnated on Earth at this time")
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:48 PM
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3. This is what I am talking about
Thank you.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:50 PM
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5. I really read what you had to say
And, I agree 110%.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:01 PM
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6. I think you so correct
"The worst thing that we can do, in my opinion, is get pulled down into fear and anger. (Especially fear because it is the opposite of light

Thank you.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:06 PM
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9. You are more than correct
And, I think, we will see.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:02 PM
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7. yes, you are correct
it may not help them, but it's the only way to help yourself and the planet

welcome aboard! :hi:
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:31 PM
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11. Thank you!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:27 PM
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10. Yes, I beg all the time for light to give them a change of
heart to admit their evil and try to repair the damage they have done.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:33 PM
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12. Maybe they do not know how much the evil?
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:08 PM
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13. Here Is What I Have Done When Praying For My Enemies...
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 10:11 PM by mntleo2
It is not easy to do and for a long time I avoided it because see, the enigma to me was how could I be sincere while talking to God who knew I was being insincere? I wondered how I could truly learn how to "turn the other cheek" so to speak...

Then one day while praying, it occurred to me to say this: "God, you know I cannot in my heart wish for the best for these people, but I know You love them every bit as much as You love me, so I can only ask that You love them FOR me until such time I can do it for myself."

I did this every day while in prayer for a couple weeks. One day I realized that I was able to sincerely ask for the best for those people! I continued praying for them with all my heart for several months.

One day, I got a phone call out of the blue. One of the people I was praying for, whom I never for one minute believed would ever call me, began to apologize for her cruelty and insensitivity. I could not believe it! I was also able to apologize for my ugly reactions to her actions. We met for coffee and hugged and cried and before I knew it, I had a dear friend I would have missed out on if I had not been open to her. The cleansing it did to my heart was beyond wonderful for me ~ and I believe it made things better for many people around us whose lives we touched.

So it is good to pray for your enemies, even if you don't have the miracle I describe above. If nothing else it changes YOUR heart so you can forgive and I believe when we forgive, the Universe is given one more beautiful song to add to Her vibrations.

Love,
Cat In Seattle
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:16 AM
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14. What a wonderful story!
Thank you for sharing it with us. This gives me hope that we CAN make a difference.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:40 AM
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15. It is! mtnleo2's posts are always so inspirational!
:)
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:23 AM
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16. Hope And Faith Are Sisters To Me
I have found that faith in prayer is something that (for me) needs to be based in reality. What I mean about this is, every day I walk across my floor without even thinking it will be there because, well it always has been there and my 'faith' knows it will be there tomorrow. When I HOPE for something, I may not have faith it will be there, but I wish it was. You get faith by seeing something manifest itself into reality, IMO. But what if, one day, I begin to walk across the floor and an earthquake happens and the floor is no longer there? I would "lose" my faith, wouldn't I? To make the step from hope to faith is a heueueuege leap, and it requires the knowledge that it WILL happen.

I always found it interesting when Jesus' friend, Thomas ("Doubting Thomas") did not believe that Jesus had come back from the dead. Always sermons and examples are made about Thomas for his lack of faith. But when you read the story of when Thomas encounters Jesus, Jesus did something quite curious. He invited Thomas to put his hands on the wounds to see that they were real. He said in essence, "Check it out Thomas, see for yourself whether or not this is real..." Yes Jesus did turn to the people with him and say it would be wonderful for people who were not in Thomas' place to believe without seeing what Thomas had seen. But Jesus also seemed to understand that in order to believe, most of us have to see it for ourselves or we cannot have the faith it will happen.

And this is for a good reason IMO. How many wing nut friends do you know who believe in the end times and just 'know' it will happen? Even though the end times idea was begun by 19th century preachers, and really is not something thought of by early Christians in the way the 19th century theologians think it just IS going to happen.

If you read the story of Jonah, you might come to a different conclusion about prophecy and what it means. The story of Jonah was meant as an allegory, a passing on of wisdom, it does not matter to me if it is a historical account or not. The story of Jonah is about a man who ran from his call to talk about the consequences of some people's behavior in Nineveh (interestingly this is in Iraq). He goes through a hellish storm while fleeing, gets thrown overboard, and gets swallowed by a whale. When he is finally thrown up on the beach, he decides perhaps he had better prophecy as he was called to do in the first place. Again Jonah is used by religion to point out his lack of faith.

This is where the story usually ends in Sunday School, but it is *not* the end of the story! What happens next is very significant because Jonah continues on to prophecy to all the people until he encounters the king. When he tells the king what is about to happen to Nineveh, a miracle happens. The king listens! He realizes the behavior of his people and himself is not good. So the king orders that the entire country change their ways and mourn for their bad behavior. So Nineveh was saved. But then, Jonah was mad! He had made a fool of himself, he had gone through hell, for what? Now God was going to save the city and make a liar out of him! So Jonah goes out into the desert to sulk.

If the 'kings' of the world would put aside their greed and use their power to make things better for everyone, then maybe we would never have to face an end. The end is the consequences of their *not* listening to what they should be doing. More frightening to me are the people who are busy MAKING the end of the world happen because they foolishly believe the inevitable end of the world, is "God's Word". How scary to see people who pretend their avarice, warmongering, and their selfish ways are somehow doing God's will! As it was for Jonah and the king of Nineveh. That king could have acted the same way as we see our modern day leaders behaving and then yes, we WILL encounter global warming, poverty, war, and starvation.

So praying for our enemies might be a way of putting our hopes into action, thus creating faith. I hope that some 'king' somewhere will listen and then better things are to come. I am not sure my philosophy is right, but it works for me, especially since praying for good often brings about good ~ though not always in the way I had pictured it. Many would say having faith that the world will get better is unrealistic ~ and to be honest, when I look around me at the way our leaders are leading and the people follow, I have to say, yes, it looks like having any faith that anyone in power would listen, is folly all right. I can imagine this is the way Jonah felt too when he faced a powerful king who might take this dire message as an insult and kill Jonah, lol. Then I have to have the faith that, even though it is not the way I think it should be, it WILL be better with prayer, starting like a stone dropped into water with my tiny circle and then spreading to the rest of the universe.

The point to me of the story of Jonah and Thomas is that having faith means not believing in some predestined outcome so much as knowing whatever outcome there is, will be made into good. Our prayers will help this along the way, as we use our God-shaped Love to help form the Universe into something better than it was. I think the 'end of the world' is like anything set into motion in physics ~ "for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction..." It is about the changing of hearts, not about something that is destined to happen.


My 2 cents

Love,
Cat In Seattle

Cat In Seattle
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:13 AM
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17. An old kabbalistic viewpoint
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 11:15 AM by jokerman93
An old kabbalistic viewpoint reminds that "evil is the throne of good". Gratitude is an unlikely response to "evil", but it acknowledges the function "evil" serves in the world of evolving consciousness.

This insight doesn't in anyway absolve us though, from staying armed and vigilant; remembering that being a doormat to "evil" will only get us trampled on.

J

(edited for spellcheck)
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