About the earthquake in Chile.

[Cleita]

Alert for winyanstanz and her prediction of earthquakes.

I went to bed last night with foreboding of something disastrous happening along the lines of climate change and earthquake was on my mind. It was raining hard here because we are experiencing an El Nino year, but I was thinking more of earthquake in California not Chile. I woke up in the middle of the night and unable to sleep, I logged into DU and caught the first posts on the 8.8 earthquake in Concepcion, Chile.

I was born in Antofagasta in northern Chile, a port city on the edge of the Atacama desert, and lived part of my childhood there although I am an American by birth. I experienced many earthquakes including one really devastating one when I was eight years old in December of 1948. I never have forgotten the fear, especially since the after shocks kept up every hour for twenty four hours each one less in magnitude than the one before until they stopped. Although earthquakes weren't measured back then in the Atacama desert where I lived, by comparing what I experienced to earthquakes that I experienced in So. Calif. I would guess it was a 7.0 at least. Now Concepcion is south of where I lived on the fringe of the Atacama desert and fortunately is in a sparsely populated area so the death toll won't be high in numbers but it will be high in the ratio of death to survival at the epicenter I believe.

I was overwhelmed with a waking dream when I awoke this morning that told me the earthquakes we are experiencing are due to climate change. Expansion of the metals in our core because of the increased heat are looking for a place to expand and it's shifting the tectonic plates and activating volcanoes who must rumble to release pressure causing earthquakes. This I got in a waking dream. Also, a lot of people don't know this but the country of Chile is on the same time zone as New York City, so the tectonic plates that are shifting in California are not the same ones that affect Chile. I also once counted 24 volcanoes on a map in the Andes mountain range bordering Chile along it's almost 4,000 miles in length. When I lived in Chile it was believed that the earthquakes were caused by volcanoes and not faults.

When I came on DU this morning already there was a thread on this and of course it's a flamer because right now there is no scientific evidence of a connection between global warming and earthquakes. Of course the skeptics are in full fledged throttle calling out everyone else thinking this as ridiculous. It amazed me though how many DUers thought the same thing as though there was a group revelation. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7806821&mesg_id=7806821

Anybody else getting some revelations from their spirit guides regarding this?

[rosesaylavee]

1. There are so many other changes going on the

surface of the planet that not connecting Climate Change with what's happening below doesn't make sense to me. I think there have to be some in the scientific community who are working to make the connection but it may take awhile. For me, it just makes sense.

[rosesaylavee]

2. So sorry you had a rough night too!

:hug: Hope you can get some sleep today...

[FirstLight]

3. I am seeing the plates moving BIG too

Been waiting for the "other shoe to drop" in CA for years. Lived through the Loma Prieta and the next one on the Hayward fault is actually overdue as far as that cycle goes. (san andreas and hayward faults seem to run in 15-20 years alternate earthquakes)

I have had some feelings that the one in Haiti had to do with triggering movement of some long lost energy...like setting presure loose at New Madrid and Yellowstone as far as N Am are concerned. I also see the changes on the other side of the Pacific in Sumatra and India being interconnected to this.
i still don't know where I would stand on climate change affecting the inner layers or surface of the earth, per se. But I don't doubt that the other things that we are ripe for on this planet are taking place. I have long believed in zero-point magnetic shifts, and I think this is part of it and has to do more with the rotation and core stuff.
I fail to see exactly how the atmosphere is connected there, but what do I know when it comes to mother nature and how this earth really works...she has her own agenda, that's for sure! ;)

wow, just wow...

I remember thinking after haiti that one of the things that will "break the bank" of many countries is going to be disasters hitting one right after another all over the planet - that relief will eventually stop because everyone will be tapped out on their own problems...

interesting times for sure
stay safe out there!!!!

[Cleita]

5. Let me explain further, not atmosphere per se but the effect the

atmosphere is having on earth's crust, which if you remember in science class kept earth cool and contained the hot molten core so we wouldn't roast to death on the surface. If the atmosphere is warming because the mountains with permanent glaciers and the arctic regions are melting, it would seem that this is warming the crust, which is allowing the heat from the center to expand, like the iron that much of it is made up of and that expansion could affect volcanic activity and the tec plates. None of this is scientific but spiritual in origin, but it's what I felt.

[Fire Walk With Me]

13. The outer crust can be up to 31 miles thick.

All things are tied together, truly, but the atmosphere may not have a direct impact at such depth. On the level of the elements, perhaps.

http://library.thinkquest.org/28327/html/universe/solar_system/planets/earth/interior/layers_of_earth.html

[Cleita]

16. That's a lovely website. Thanks for posting.

in volcanic regions the crust I believe is thinner allowing the magma to rise isn't it?

[Fire Walk With Me]

18. Of course, also allowing an interaction with the atmosphere.

Look at the plate going all up along the Western coast of the United States.

Did I mention that I was born a bit over a week after the big Alaskan quake?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Alaska_earthquake

[Cleita]

20. I visited Alaska a few years after the quake in the sixties. The city still hadn't

recovered so there was evidence of the earthquake all over the city and part of the ground surrounding the sound had sunk several feet. The trees were dying in this valley because they had become salinated. I don't know what it looks like today. I'm sure the trees are long gone and other things plants have replaced them.

[Fire Walk With Me]

4. Yesterday I had my blood pressure measured.

It's 182. Edit: Qualifies as "severe hypertension".

If that qualifies as a reaction to massive energy movements...

[Cleita]

6. That's not good. I hope you take care of that.

I lowered my blood pressure by adopting a vegetarian diet and I quit smoking, which I believe was the biggest contributor. Although I must eat some meat because of a medical condition today, I keep it down to three or four ounces a day and my blood pressure is consistently around 120/80. However, high blood pressure can also indicate an underlying condition. My husbands blood pressure was very high, which caused him to have a stroke. Docs put him on BP meds, which is okay for immediate results, but they wouldn't look for underlying causes. I pestered them to run tests until we found out he had kidney failure. Dialysis brought his BP down and he lived another seven years, which I doubt he would have if we hadn't looked for the cause. Get that taken care of ASAP. Energy alone would not bring it that high.

[Fire Walk With Me]

9. I am an intense being. I react intensely to all large energies.

As a strong empath, consider me sort of a canary in a coal mine.

Change is occuring. At a soul level, all humans know this. I'm not comfortable with their fear of change. I'll have to learn to detach, as "change" only continues.

I have no privacy; I'm in and am unable to leave a transitional living situation, with some 16 other men. I have had to prevail upon them that I'm not like they are, and have linked a few to my blog page of predictions. Some have capitulated that I indeed at minimum have a very strong ability to sense the truth of others' emotions and intentions. Some are very worried. Some just dislike me outright and want to see me hurt (I've had small pieces of property stolen in the last week, including my precious unabridged dictionary. The word Sigil was on page 954.). A powerful psychic told me in 1987 that I would have to become comfortable making others uncomfortable (not merely with the amount of energy I can bring, but through being Authentic to myself and what I am, can do, and wish to do regarding the changes we are experiencing).

It's my fault. I should have done the work and already been there by now. It's an extremely bad time in which to attempt such things.

Edit: I am measured monthly and barely three weeks ago, my pressure was 132. IIRC.

[Fire Walk With Me]

19. I suddenly feel better. Someone sent me some light. Thank you!

:hi:

[FirstLight]

21. hmmmm, my BP s up too

not like super quick or anything...but they warned me i was 'borderline' in November...and I REALLY had some issues last week or so with feeling the pressure in my neck and temple, as well as headaches.

So if we as humans who are magnetic and earth creatures, can register these changes...is this part of a closer dimensional walk with the planet?

Feels like empaths are right on the edge of shifts like this, does that make sense?

[Fire Walk With Me]

22. I'd say yes to that...and the Earth is far larger than any single human.

When She changes...we can get HIT.

Peace and Health, blessed, beautiful Mother.

[Fire Walk With Me]

51. Found my dictionary as expected, where I expected to find it.

Jerks. The doorknob set is still missing.

[Fire Walk With Me]

53. Ah. Took an opportunity today to read someone in front of several of them.

The "readee" was impressed as I confirmed schizophrenia and her imagining tendencies.

It's hardly winning the war but it's a nice "battle" victory. I don't know how I could do that yet still be overwhelmed with anxiety regarding the general state of things.

Pardon the selfish off-topics.

[rumpel]

7. Wow...a couple of weeks back mine was 187, too

and I have always had very low, too low BP -

like the top was about 100..

[rumpel]

8. I believe there are some major changes going on and we can

see it on the map at USGS. I would not be surprised if it is related to the Warming - but I also tend to think there may be cosmic influences going on, too.
The magnetosphere is shifting, too.

http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/

[Cleita]

10. A new DUer just posted this as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4286164&mesg_id=4286194

http://fulldisklosure.org/blog/2010/02/27/giant-spiral-aurora-a-portent/

[OneGrassRoot]

12. Wow, the spiral auroras at his/her site are amazing.....

You hold your own beautifully, Cleita.

:hug:

[Cleita]

14. It's not really easy when people don't know I'm receiving

information from the other side. They are so sure of themselves when they should be asking questions.

[japple]

30. Yay, Cleita. You got slapped around and stood right back up!

Thanks for bringing that post over here. I might not have seen it otherwise. The spiral is breathtakingly beautiful.

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. I have wondered out loud "When will the majority of humans realize

that something significant is happening?" When it will be visible as a trend to the majority?

Hopefully it will not occur through "disaster" but through positive change. However, there is a great deal of negativity waiting to be broken apart. Pray the light into Earth, every day.

I have said before that I'm on haitus regarding predictions; the deeper truth is, I'm battening the hatches, so to speak.

Remember, it is important to keep your energy highly positive through periods of "change". Do not get caught up in the pain of the moment. It is more important to bring joy and the light than to empathise, past the point of hurting yourself, that is. Charity is the standard cure for horror at "change".

[winyanstaz]

24. very good..I agree :)

[northernlights]

15. I think the earthquakes are more related to gravitational and magnetic changes

especially as we come into direct alignment with the sun and center of the galaxy in 2012.

I don't think the tectonic plate fault lines run along the time zones. Everything on the Pacific is part of the "ring of fire" and they affect each other. Volcanoes and earthquakes essentially come from the same source...one doesn't cause the other so much as they are related.

The el ninos and la ninas, on the other hand, are directly related to climate change, in that they happen considerably more frequently than they have historically.

[Cleita]

17. They do run along meridians or even cross them like in a slant.

But the tec plate that affects Chile is not the same one that affects us on the West Coast. Now I believe the mountain ranges that ring the Pacific are what is known as the Ring of Fire most of them volcanic. Having lived in both Chile and the USA I can tell the difference between a volcanic earthquake and a fault earthquake. Volcanic earthquakes shake and are longer than the tec ones. The tec ones are abrupt. They might roar for a small seconds and then snap. Then they die down as they settle.

[winyanstaz]

23. I am finding this all very interesting...

This is just a taste of the earth changes to come.

The idea that this is all due to global warming is interesting.

I do know that we have had a number of global warming periods before, and the last one was during the medieval period and was considerably warmer as well as when you look at the over all temperature records. (without omitting the warmer temperature records as has been admitted to having been done by global warming scientists in this latest round of global warming)

The earth is in fact again cooling and has been since around 1998.

That's not to say that the earth didn't expand with the warming and is now contracting with the cooling which would be expected and could well be causing a lot of the shifts and movements.

Then there are things like the anomalies seen in the skies over china and norway...

http://fulldisklosure.org/blog/2009/12/12/spiral-over-china/

The sun's lack of solar activity (sky-father)could also be a large
contributer as well as the phases of the moon (Earth Mother).

When we add to the equation that the planet is also alive (yes and she is aware of us..same as the mountain spirits are, same as the plants are.. etc) it could also be Mother Nature cleaning house. I am sure she is not happy with the messes we have made.

And lets not forget the constant bombing along major plate fault lines.

Between all the earth changes and the changes in society and government etc...people are being put in positions of extreme stress which is also generating a huge field of psychic energy.

We could, as we awaken, tap into that energy as a group.

And here is the big one...all this is happening during the awakening.

This is my opinion on what it all means.

I know the planet is alive and aware. Of this there is no doubt in my reality as I have had many experiences which have proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that consciousness is everywhere and we are all connected.

"The Goddess is awake...and magic is afoot." :)

We also will awaken as a society as well as on an individual basis and all this stress ect... is jolting people out of the nest and forcing us to look within and to re-think our priorities and to ask "why."

Do not hold on to situations etc..but be prepared to walk away at a moment's notice and do what is needed to survive and begin again. Let go of all attachments and be open to Spirit's guidance.

We will be waking more every day and our gifts and powers will also be stronger and we will learn more how to use them correctly.

Do not worry that you will not be a part of it all because you are already a part and awakening already as you should or you wouldn't be in this blog reading these posts.

All this is good in the long run as we are eternal beings.

This is the end of an age, not the end of the world and we must change with it.

There will be another large quake 5. and above within the week here in the Americas.

[rumpel]

27. also the massive extraction of resources

as well as the "new" technique of pumping and storing pollutant gases underground, which I feel is very questionable.

May the process be gentle...

[Fire Walk With Me]

28. I am reminded of the Hopi prophecies from the film Koyaaniqatsi:

"If we dig precious things from the land, we will invite disaster."

"Near the day of Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."

"A container of ashes might one day be thrown from the sky, which could burn the land and boil the oceans."

[rumpel]

35. that sounds like a good film

cobwebs - makes me think and immediately I think of chemtrails -

a container sounds like bombs -

all man made - i.e. preventable

[MorningGlow]

34. Also today

Quake in Argentina--understandable--and...Oklahoma City?? :shrug:

[rumpel]

25. Cleita, I am in S.CA and I think there must be some shifts

that is occurring here, too..

I have been checking to see the known movements of the pacific rim - I have been feeling uneasy, but attributed it to my personal problems for a while, which is like a constant state of stress (of the survival type)

While the Chilean earthquake wasn't directly related to Japan's 7.0-magnitude temblor, the two have some factors in common.

For one, any seismic waves that made their way from Japan to the Chilean coast could play a slight role in ground-shaking.

"It is too far away for any direct triggering, and those distances also make the seismic waves as they would pass by from the Haiti or Japan events pretty small because of attenuation," Arrowsmith told LiveScience. (Attenuation is the decrease in energy with distance.) "Nevertheless, if the Chilean fault surface were close to failure, those small waves could push it even closer."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35618526/ns/technology_and_science-science/

We should all be prepared.

I remember reading a section in "Mad Bear", at the time Mad Bear was working with several other medicine men working on trying to lessen the magnitude or impact of a possible earthquake. The author was trying to pry out some more information, but Mad Bear would not speak about it. With most of the Elders gone now, I wonder..

:(

[FirstLight]

26. The physics are changing too

usually, one would see seismic waves like the water waves, moving *across the surface* (relatively, thinking of the crust)

what I'm getting is that the earth is acting more like a hologram/liquid/plasma... the waves are moving THROUGH the earth, even waving through the core itself...just like solar waves or radiation moves through supposedly 'solid' mass...

On a spiritual level, I think that staying "grounded" is going to be an interesting challenge here too.

I am in CA and sitting on a rare 'grabben fault' in the sieras. we even have geologic evidence of tsunamis here at Tahoe..! :scared:

[Fire Walk With Me]

29. The Earth rings like a bell after large seismic events.

I am in a state of near-total discombobulation, and not in the humorous sense of the word. I fear March and the start of April. I'm not sure if it's because of personal trouble (which is grave) or from external events. Just like Rumpel said, it's unclear whether it's micro or macro. I don't know if I'm releasing the horror I have experienced in my life, and as a dual diagnosis empath, it's been truly severe regardless of the straight face I often keep out of pride; if it's external, look for real trouble in some sense of the word.

It is imperative, again, imperative to detach and Concentrate on continuing in Joy and bringing the light. Go in contrary motion to the changes which have to occur.

I hope that this is merely personal. I've never had blood pressure this high, not even during the last year in which it has been regularly measured. I'll have to say that there must be a connection involved, as much as I wish there were none. Let me be wrong! Or let me be strong.

And I hope that it does not involve Los Angeles.

[Fire Walk With Me]

52. Well, yesterday truly sucked. Lots of old, nameless and voiceless pain released.

And I still don't know if my anxiety is about March. I'm so out of it that it's easy that I'm just outright wrong. Then again, I'm in a general panic.

"Too much information, not enough signal." Sheesh..

[rumpel]

32. that is quite interesting

tsunami in Tahoe? wow

[FirstLight]

45. ya, here's some links

A UNR study (tsunami in indonesis spurred some research)
http://www.seismo.unr.edu/htdocs/WGB/LakeTahoeTsunami/

it gets really technical in the second half...but the beginning shows some great images and the faults in the area.


and here's some more cool detailed images, they did a bathemerty in 1998 that was very involved...

http://tahoe.usgs.gov/files/papers_morphology.pdf

the conclusion is where they clearly state tsunami reference...

[Cleita]

33. There is something going on and quite honestly I'm a bit nervous about

these really large magnitude earthquakes happening right now especially since we are sitting on a time bomb as it is on our faults. Devastating as an 8.8 earthquake would be here in California, I live fifteen miles from the El Diablo nuclear power plant that is sitting on two faults and is built to withstand up to an 7.5 on the richter scale. This would be beyond devastating.

[rumpel]

36. that is discomforting

we have the San Onofre but it is somewhat further away...

[Cleita]

38. My Republican Assemblyman actually was going to open an inquiry into

El Diablo's safety after the Haitian earthquake. I haven't heard anything about it since then, but on Monday I'm going to get on the phone and insist that this plant needs to be shut down. Maybe we will have to go on rations for awhile but I think the sacrifice will be worth it until we can get alternative energy sources going. Many people in my area have generators anyway for power outages. I don't mind using candles and maybe watching TV and using the computer only for a couple of hours a day. Maybe I'll get caught up on other things. This is really a time bomb waiting to happen. You should find out about San Onofre too.

[Cleita]

31. People are still blaming faults, but I think it was volcanic and I

think I found the culprit. It's an active volcano seventy miles from Concepcion called Volcan Antuco. The epicenter of the earthquake was seventy miles from the city according to the news but no one has expanded on this bit of information. I watched the video of the actual earthquake shown from security cameras while it was happening and you could see it shaking rather than snapping like fault earthquakes feel. If you compare the Chilean videos with the one of the Loma Prieto video that they showed of the girl bartender in a restaurant barely getting away from a smashing glass and bottles you can see the difference. The Loma Prieto quake snapped tossing everything right away in a short period of time. I believe it's the act of the fault slipping. Volcanic earthquakes take their time and they have many aftershocks many almost as violent as the original one but diminishing in force over time as the volcano finishes belching. Now this doesn't mean that the volcano is erupting but it is warning that it might erupt in the future. My Chilean grandmother used to say that volcanoes were the earth's way of breathing. The mountains, particularly the volcanoes are sacred to the Native People of the area. Also the snow packs on the Andean volcanoes are melting due to global warming. I feel like I'm still beating this drum alone, but I think there is a connection.

Here is the only English website that I could find on Volcan Antuco. http://www.andes.org.uk/peak-info-other/antuco-info.asp

[rumpel]

37. that makes me wonder about Yosemite's recent activity

and other volcanoes - Mother Earth is definitely undergoing changes..

[northernlights]

39. doesn't yosemite sit on that caldera?

cause if that baby blows, it's all a moot point. Very little would survive that devastation...

[Cleita]

41. Yellowstone Valley is the caldera. The hills surrounding it are the mouth

of the ancient volcano.

[northernlights]

42. phew!

Yosemite -- Yellowstone...it's all the same here in the east :D

[Cleita]

44. Yosemite is a valley carved by glaciers. There could be

volcanic activity somewhere but I don't know for sure. I do know that Mt. Lassen up the road is definitely a volcano and you can visit the fumerols (sp.?) and watch them gurgle and steam. Also, there has been some prediction that it could come back to life in the future. Most of the Northwest from Mt. Shasta in Northern California up to Mt. Baker in Washington state is a string of volcanoes between like The Sisters, Mt. Hood, Mt. St. Helen, Mt. Ranier and other famous mountains on the Cascade range. All of them could blow in the future. Nice! Huh!

[Cleita]

40. I'm sitting on the caldera of an extinct volcano here in SLO as well. The

morros or pointy topped hills as in Morro Bay and sulfur springs in the area are a dead give away of the ancient remnants of the volcano. Besides that and the earthquake faults and the nuke plant, I feel we are living in a geological casino. Yellowstone is really active, but I don't think it's going to blow as predicted because I believe all the geysers and hot springs bubbling up are acting as a safety valve.

[Cleita]

43. Okay Antuco is not the culprit after all. The epicenter is in a different

direction, but I still think it's volcanic. If it's under the ocean that is possible but it remains for more information to come out.

[northernlights]

48. from GD: a very good synopsis of plate tectonics, earthquakes and volcanos

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/understanding.html

I expect the different types of tectonic movement -- whether it's plates colliding, sliding past one another or one sliding under another -- will impact the feeling.

I also vaguely remember from scientific reading years ago that the difference in how earthquakes feel (and the distance over which they are felt) is partially due to the type of crust and depth of the quake. For example, when the New Madrid fault had 4 major quakes in the early 1800s, the effect was so intense that nearly 2,000 miles away the church bells rang in Boston. That was due to the type of crust, from what I remember. Felt as waves that travel long distances.

[FirstLight]

46. another thread in GD about climate link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7811355

this one has a link to new scientist article
(but the flamers are still not having any of it...)


I think the info is interesting, though

[Tess49]

47. I dreamed about a large earthquake a couple of nights ago.

I woke up thinking it was China. Maybe just a slight disconnect there. Maybe I was dreaming about Chile.

[BlueIris]

50. Welcome to DU!

And the A, S & AH forum. :-)

[Tess49]

54. Thanks. I've been here for a long time. I rarely post, however.

I visit this group almost daily.

[BlueIris]

56. Oh.

Well, happy posting!

[Cleita]

55. There is no disconnect.

You dreamed of earthquakes like I did. :hug:

[BlueIris]

49. Really, really interesting post, Cleita.

Thanks for sharing your insights.