I hope I'm not jumping the gun here,

[madokie]

but I want to thank all for helping me transition to linux on my machine. As soon as I have this Wine thing figured out so I can run AutoCad I'll be taking micro$hit off here for good. I've been jumping around a bit trying ubuntu, mint, pclinux, damn small linux and a few others that escapes me right now and find I like ubuntu the best so I think as it stands now I've settled in with it. It took a little hair pulling, some cussing, not much kicking and such but I finally got my video players working, sound card and all. Speaking of sound my Yamaha subsystem hasn't sounded this good ever and I thought it was excellent before.

Questions though about wine. When I tried the other night to install wine and run autocad it placed it on my c:\ windows drive. Do I always have to have xp on this machine in order to make wine work with autocad?

I'm open to any suggestions and recommendations anyone has on plugin's and addons as I'm new to firefox too.
:toast:

Peace and have a great day :hi:

edit to remove a stupid old saying from thread tittle :-)

[RoyGBiv]

1. Wine

Wine creates a virtual C:\ drive because the apps you're trying to install can't deal with the file system designations Linux uses. It's actually just a directory in your /home directory. It's a "hidden" directory, meaning it is a directory name preceded by a . (dot), e.g. .wine. You can start a terminal and type:

ls -a

and you can see all the hidden files and directories in your /home directory. Your file system navigator (Nautilus with GNOME, Dolphin with KDE) has an option somewhere to show hidden files. (It's under View in Dolphin.) These are mostly used to store user preferences for various things.

Anyway, if you go into the ~/.wine directory you'll see another directory called drive_c, and in that you'll see directories called Program Files and windows the same as on a Windows machine.

On the subject of Wine, I have Crossover Games and Crossover Pro. This is a specialized version of Wine that assists in getting some things to work that people have trouble with in plain old Wine. I don't know that it would help you at all with AutoCAD, but it might be worth a shot. I don't use the Crossover Pro, so you can have it if you want. Just let me know, and I'll throw it up on my server and let you grab it. (Crossover is commercial so you can't just go download it. They don't actually sell the software, but in order to get it and activate it you have to purchase a support subscription, which is fairly cheap, but still. The copy I have I got during a promotion the company had, and I've never used the license for it.)

Again, I'm glad things are working out so far.

[madokie]

2. Thanks Roy

Thanks again for the help. I think my days of a bill gates product purchaser is about over. I'm really enjoying my time I'm spending with ubuntu and figuring out the ins and outs. I've put vlc player on and got it to work, damn good video player if ever I've seen one btw. I half assed tried to install autocad using wine while I was playing with one of the distro's, not sure which now but when I seen the c:\ drive I quit for further study because I ultimately want to not have a c: drive on here. Hopefully tonight I'll get a chance to try in earnest to install Autocad. Then it'll be deleting the c drive and expanding my linux partition.

I have a lot to learn yet but now I feel like I can navigate around enough to figure it out, with some help here and there that is :-)

Thanks for the offer but I think at this point I'll put my determination to work and get autocad working on here, if I can't I'll give a holler back:hi:

Have a great day, you deserve it

[RoyGBiv]

3. You're perfectly welcome ...

I just want to say that the journey on which you're about to embark -- getting AutoCAD working with Wine -- may be difficult. I certainly don't want even to hint at trying to talk you out of it. That's not my purpose in saying this. I just want you to be prepared in the hopes it doesn't ruin the experience for you. In my personal opinion, anyone that can actually use AutoCAD has the skills necessary to figure it out, so that's not my concern at all. I just know that when I take on a project like this, I can end up learning a few new swear words in the process.

I know of people that have gotten it to work, but I don't know anyone personally, and I haven't even tried to do it. So, any help I may be able to give will be in the area of theory basically.

There are a lot of discussions of doing this in various discussion groups, which you'll probably want to consult. Just google AutoCAD linux.

Now, having said that, I took on the task of figuring out how to get The Sims 3 to work in Wine a few weeks ago, and much to my shock and surprise, I actually managed to do it. Damn the DRM, full speed ahead. And I didn't yell at the cat once. :) Doing things like this, aside from the frustrations, will give you a quick education in the internals of Linux. I learned more about Linux in the two weeks it took me to get my graphics card drivers to work about five years ago than I had in all my experiences with it and Unix in the preceding years combined.

Anyway, I'm rambling and trying to avoid work so I should get back to it. :)

Take care.

[madokie]

15. I'll try to put together what I did to make it work next day or so but right now

I have autocad 2000 up and running with my personal menus all in ta, drawing files and all, config files right there. I can't tell any difference in the program between the xp enviorment I was running it in and this Ubuntu. I'm loving it,

Thanks for the help,

[Dead_Parrot]

4. If you haven't found it already....

...www.winehq.org might have some useful tips for getting autocad to work (or otherwise).

If you can't get it to work, you could try tinkering with virtualbox: I use it for running Access 07, and in seamless mode it looks rather cool.

[madokie]

5. If my night turns out like so many do and I'm up all hours I plan to give wine a try

I've gone ahead and done away with my xp partition because I'm convinced I can get autocad to work one way or another. If I can't do wine I'll be trying virtual box. I just did a search on virtual box and it looks promising :hi:

Like I said the other day this learning ubuntu is the most fun I've had with my clothes on in a while :-)

[RoyGBiv]

6. VirtualBox is awesome ...

It's excellent for those times when you are forced to use Windows because you don't actually need to reboot your machine. The only reason I boot Windows at home anymore, ever, is to play certain games.

The only thing it doesn't do well involves programs that require DirectX 8+ just to function. It actually has some level of DirectX 8/9 support, but not 10, and things run more slowly. This is the reason I can't use it very well for most games.

[Dead_Parrot]

7. I think the coolest thing you can do with VB...

is run XP, Vista and Win7 in full-screen VMs, then flick between the desktops with Compiz. It's nice to hear the gurgling noises coming from techs who have only worked with MS.

:evilgrin:

Needs a decent box to pull it off smoothly, though. And try to resist telling them there's a linux machine under there: With luck they'll spend days trying to figure it out...

[RoyGBiv]

9. Heh ...

I haven't tried that. My machine is getting old enough now that *it* might gurgle at me if I did. Thanks for the idea. I think I may do just that when I get my new system put together. Make a screen cap movie of it and send it to the head tech guy at work, the one who things PNG is an obsolete graphics format and that Linux "can't do graphics."

I did have XP and Vista, each with a movie running, and a 3D FPS game running at the same time on different desktops, but I didn't have compiz activated at that time. Just a screenshot of it, though, was enough to shut up this guy who was harassing me not only about my about Linux but about how "weak" my machine was generally.

He was L33T, you see. :freak:

[Dead_Parrot]

11. You should definately stick compiz on, then

It'll annoy the hell out him. :D
Bind 'rotate cube' to mouse button 3 for maximum flash w. minimum effort (unless you already use it, natch).

[Dead_Parrot]

8. I'm planning on a wine evening too...

...although being a friday night in NZ, it's the liquid sort.
:toast:

[Stinky The Clown]

10. I don't think AutoCAD will run on Wine, no matter what.

Autodesk is, in many ways, worse than Windows.

[madokie]

12. Are you offering me advice from experience?

I happen to like autodesk they seem to be a very forward thinking team that makes a great 3D program but I've never attempted to run it from linux before. It may take me a while but I'm thinking I'll get it done sooner or later,. I'm sure it'll take lots of help too I might add :-)

[Stinky The Clown]

13. I need to run it. Were it not for AutoCAD, I could abandon Windows entirely.

I looked into any number of solutions to run it on my Mac, but in the end had to install Windows in Mac Bootcamp and then run it with Parallels on my Mac Pro and Fusion on my Macbook.

In any case, I did a ton of research into all the solutions and all the emulators. AutoCAD is very insular. Here's a link to Wine's applications database listing for AutoCAD.

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=86

I wish you well.

As to AutoDesk, I find it interesting that they decided that AutoCAD was too ancient and creaky to develop any further. Rather than try, they just bought a company and reissued the product as Revit. Curiously, Revit doesn't speak AutoCAD any better than any other program and has to export to the dwg format like everyone else does.

[madokie]

14. So far so good

At the moment I have autocad 2000 running using wine. I'm trying to figure out how to import my custom menus and all my drawing files.
Once I get this all working I'll try to post the links I went to and the things I done to get here for others who may want to do the same. In windows to import the files I want to was a simple copy and paste process but that doesn't seem to be an option for ubuntu.

fingers are still crossed though.

edit to clarify

[Stinky The Clown]

16. I wish you success ........

.... I really need to upgrade to 2010. I have 2008 (7? .... no, 8 ...... I'm not sure. I'm on my laptop and this only has 2005).

I read someplace that AC 95 to 2000 start up under Wine, but are effectively dysfunctional when one tries to actually use it. I can't say if that's true or not since I never tried it. If I could get the current version of AutoCAD and one other program to run under Wine, I'd ditch Windows in a heartbeat.

Funny part is, I don't even actually *use* AutoCAD, except as a way to check how my work looks before sending to a client.

[madokie]

17. All I have is 2000 and it works like a charm with wine

I couldn't install the full option I had to opt for the typical selection but it works just fine. I was doing some work with it last night and I can't tell any difference from it running in xp, everything seems to work the same, prints out just fine renders, hides the whole works. No loss in speed or anything. I use autocad to draw about everything I build and thats quite a passel of items and I do all my drawing in 3d. I generally start with two lines one on the left and one on the bottom of my screen showing me where world is and then shift to a view point where it's easier for me to know where everything needs to be and go from there, switching my ucs as need be. As we remodel this old house my wife tells me to draw it so she can see what I'm talking about and so I do and then she can see what she either likes or dis likes and then I fix that until I have something she likes and then I build it. Autocad is an awesome program. I write many of my own commands and all my menus and I notice that linux is a whole lot similar to the language that autocad uses so I'm looking forward to dittiling with it some once I get a little more comfortable with the program. With autocad it was when I started doing my own menus that I really started to pick up on the program. I started off with autocad 10 and wish I had a newer version but can't see paying the big bucks for it for no more than I do. A friend who builds homes gave me a copy of his 2000 is how I have mine now. I was doing some concrete work for him and I mentioned autocad one day and we talked and he told me how they don't even bring a saw to the job site as he does all his design work on autocad and everything is cut at the shop and brought to the site and put together. Its like they are putting these huge houses together from a kit or something with every cut every angle exactly right.


http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-895159.html


RE: AutoCAD 2002 in ubuntu,
by Chris on Wednesday August 29th 2007, 22:52
The Installation/Setup has screwed up the PATH variable in the following registry key

\\HKEY_LOCALE_MACHINE\System\Current Control Set\Control\Session Mananger\Environment\PATH
Fix this by editing directly the value in ~/.wine/system.reg, or by using regedit. Set this value to "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Autodesk Shared"

Also you requires the following windows dlls to be placed in C:\Program Files\System32\
"MSVCIRT.dll" and "MFC42.dll"
Get these files from a windows installation under windows\system32 or get them from the internet.

After doing these two step Autocad 2000 should run.

Here is a link to where I found it
http://appdb.winehq.org/commentview.php?iAppId=86&iVersionId=1924&iThreadId=19974

The dll's I needed were on my autocad disc btw and the regedit part was easy to do and that was it. Autocad 2000 is working great on my ubuntu box now and I'm one happy camper.

I have these instructions printed off and filed for later use when I upgrade my ubuntu as the upgrades becomes available. for future re-installs