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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 04:35 PM
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If you have a Bosch dishwasher, please read this post.
Our five year old Kitchenaid sounds like a 1986 VW Rabbit diesel when it runs. Then it gets even noisier. We have decided we need to get a new dishwasher, and as much as we have had Kitchenaids forever, the one there now will be our last. It is total crap.

We went today to the neighborhood appliance store where we have bought every appliance in our house. The Kitchenaid issue is not their fault. It was a lemon, and our dealer tells us he has not heard of another with the problems ours has had. The store is local, family owned, and has been there for about 40 years. They're honest and we have no reason to distrust them, our own lemon notwithstanding.

He said his two most popular machines are the Bosh and the Kitchenaid.

We have prices on four flavors of Bosch. His prices compare very favorably with anything I can find on the net.

So the question now is personal experience. If you have a Bosch, or know very well someone who does, how do you like it? How old is it? is it silent? Does it do a good job.

Our dealer says the only "complaint" (said in quotes, cuz they're more observations than complaints) he hears about the ones he's sold is that they do not dry the dishes quite as well as the Kitchenaid, or the GE Monogram, or other similar machines.

I am going to cross post this in DIY, too. (I hope, mods, you don't take this as spam.)
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:17 PM
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1. My dishwasher is great. Never breaks, completely reliable and energy efficient!



:rofl:
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:01 PM
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4. LOL
awwwwww.....
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:06 PM
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2. see my reply in DIY
:hi:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:41 PM
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3. I do love our Bosch
It's very quiet and cleans well. We decided on the Evolution 800 series machine with the most wash options and I use them all, even the "top rack only" wash.

We did have one problem last March that was taken care of by the warranty. Something started to fry down at the bottom of the machine. It was replaced and no problems since.

This is my first dw and I'm still ga-ga over not having to do dishes by hand even after 3 years.

Bosch also makes dishwashers for Kenmore. So you might take a peek over at Sears for a good deal. I saw one Bosch/Kenmore when I was shopping at Sears but decided on the Bosch for reason I can't even remember now. We did get ours from Sears, btw.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:52 PM
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5. That's one of the ones on our list
He gave us prices for two Evolutions and two Integras. The overall price range was 1000 to 1400. The differences seem to be this "eco" wash cycle and the noise levels. Then some minor differences in the racks.

Does it seems a pain to have to empty that filter in the bottom? How often is that done?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 01:32 PM
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6. I clean the filter every couple of weeks and sometimes longer
Because of the built in food grinder, dishes don't need scraping. But I do anyway so the filter doesn't need much attention. The assembly takes a couple of seconds to take apart. Try it at the store and you'll see. I have to unscrew the center thing, lift off the rectangular screen. Wash it all in the sink and back into the dw the way they came out.

I used to clean the machine every so often set on a short wash withd a packet of plain lemon Kool Ade. But since I started using white vinegar in the rinse instead of Jet Dry type rinse agents, the dw stays fresh.

I think the Kenmore was noisier than the Bosch, so this might have been why I chose the Bosch.

Btw, our Bosch doesn't blow hot air on the dishes to dry them. It pulls water out. So there's always a little bit of water left down in the filter assembly. Not a problem.
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 03:51 PM
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7. I had a Bosch dishwasher once

but eventually his work visa ran out and he had to go back to Boschland.

Oh well.

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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 04:07 PM
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8. Well, before you toss it...

Get it looked at. After 3 years in this house (we bought a new Kenmore upon moving in), the dishwasher was doing a poor job, making noise, and just not cleaning for crap. A dishwasher ought to last a good 10, 15 years, if not more.

We called a repair guy, and what we found was at the bottom of the dishwasher is a grinder (what *I* found, I mean - he already knew that), which is where all the food scrapings and such go as they get washed away. They get ground up and then flushed through your septic or whatever you have.

It's under the bottom blade/arm, and below the trap "filter", but its job is to grind up all the crap.

Over the years, we amassed a few pistachio shells, some broken glass accumulated (every once in a while a glass breaks in there) and basically it was keeping the blade from grinding. In our case, the motor needed to be replaced, and it was about $180 for everything, parts and labor. Doing it, though, put it back to being quiet, efficient, and washing well.

You could well have a blocked or ruined grinder that you could potentially fix for a fraction of the cost of a newly installed machine. Unless, of course, you want an excuse to buy a new machine, but 3 years is pretty young for a dishwasher. You might want to check it out. Disassemble it yourself, if you're into that, or call in a repair guy, but your situation might not be a totally systematic failure but simply a piece of something - broken dish, immovable food, whatever - that either jammed up the grinder or broke it.

- Tab
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 04:50 PM
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9. I have to agree with Tab.
There's basically one moving part in a dishwasher: The
combination motor/pump/grinder. (Yes, the two or three
wash arms rotate, but pretty slowly so they can't make
much mechanical noise, although I suppose they could make
"water flow" or whistling noises if they got creative
enough.)

So if the thing is making noise in normal operation, that's
basically all that can be wrong with it and that motor/pump/
grinder component can be cleaned, repaired, or replaced.

If I were you, I'd take at least one crack at repairing it.
Well, unless you dislike that dishwasher for some other
reason.

Tesha
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