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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:46 PM
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At the Barricades In the Gender Wars
The Wall Street Journal

At the Barricades In the Gender Wars
Clinton's women supporters fear her bid has unleashed a sexist backlash
By JONATHAN KAUFMAN and CAROL HYMOWITZ
March 29, 2008

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(Clinton) campaign has also prompted slurs and inflammatory language that many women thought had been banished from public discourse. Some women worry that regardless of how the election turns out, the resistance to Sen. Clinton may embolden some men to resist women's efforts to share power with them in business, politics and elsewhere... But even some women who don't support Sen. Clinton express unease about the tone of some attacks on her. "Why is it OK to say such horrible things about a woman?" asks Erika Wikkala, who runs a Pittsburgh public-relations firm and supports Sen. Obama. "People feel they can be misogynists, and that's OK. No one says those kinds of things about Obama because they don't want to be seen as racist." The concern among some women about sexism comes amid signs that women's progress in the workplace has stalled or even regressed. In 2007, women earned median weekly wages of 80.2 cents for every dollar earned by men, down from 80.8 cents in 2006 and 81 cents in 2005, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistic.

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Katherine Putnam, president of Package Machinery Co., a West Springfield, Mass., equipment manufacturer, recalls that at a lunch she attended recently, a group of male chief executives "started talking about what an awful b---- Hillary was and how they'd never vote for her." She says she kept quiet. "I didn't want to jeopardize my relationship with them," she says. "But their remarks were a clear reminder that although I could sit there eating and drinking with them, and work with them, instinctively their reaction to me isn't positive."


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Many factors, of course, shape how voters view the two candidates: their positions on the issues, Sen. Obama's rhetorical skills and message of change, and Sen. Clinton's personality and record. But the tenor of the campaign is unsettling many women... Heather Arnet, a Clinton supporter who runs a Pittsburgh organization that lobbies for more women on public commissions and corporate boards, recently surveyed the Internet and found more than 50 anti-Hillary Clinton sites on Facebook. One of them, entitled "Hillary Clinton Stop Running for President and Make Me a Sandwich," had more than 38,000 members. "What if one of these 38,000 guys is someone you, as a woman, have to go to and negotiate a raise?" she asks. Here in Pittsburgh and surrounding blue-collar areas, Sen. Clinton's run is stirring discussion among women about sexism in politics and in the workplace. The pay gap between male and female professionals in the Pittsburgh area exceeds the national average across most industries and occupations, according to a new University of Pittsburgh study. Women managers earned just 58.3% of what male managers made, and 89.5% of what women managers around the country made, according to the 2000 U.S. Census. In the political arena, Pennsylvania ranks 45th among states in number of female officeholders.

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Jean Yarnal, who has worked in local government for 41 years, says she was unnerved recently when a man she knew came into her office and asked for help with a zoning issue. When talk turned to politics, she says, he denounced Sen. Clinton as a "lesbian" and used several slurs. Ms. Yarnal says she didn't respond, but thought to herself, "That's the last time I do you a favor." "It's like the feelings against women are getting stronger," says Ms. Yarnal. "It's like men are saying, 'We want to put you women in your place -- watch out, don't go too fast.' ".. Some women in town say they don't bring up politics at work. "The consensus in my office is that women are too emotional and won't make a good president," says Terri George, a paralegal in a law office. Some young women who support Sen. Obama -- sometimes to the chagrin of their pro-Hillary mothers -- say they too are troubled by the gender gap in the workplace. But many say they don't feel comfortable being called "feminists," and that they look to different role models than Sen. Clinton.

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With the Pennsylvania primary looming on April 22, it's unlikely that workplace tensions over Sen. Clinton's candidacy will abate. On March 5, the day after Sen. Clinton won Ohio, Jackie LeViseur, a fund-raiser at Youngstown State University, arrived at her office to find her female colleagues, mostly secretaries, high-fiving each other and cheering in the hall. The men, most of them bosses, remained in their offices, looking, says Ms. LeViseur, like their team had lost the football game. "They might have been a little afraid to speak up," says Ms. LeViseur.


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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:53 PM
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1. I wonder if these reporters will cover
about how many of hill supporters don't believe interacial dating

"While Obama has a mostly favorable image among white Democrats, those with unfavorable views about him are likelier to say equal rights for minorities have gone too far and to oppose interracial dating"


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/27/poll_obama_leads_clinton_nationally/



I mean an article filled with anecdotes, to suggest sexism doesn't get enough play while there is a poll showing actual racism

After Ohio I posted a number of post that for the people that voted for gender overwhelming voted Clinton and those that voted on race an overwhelming also voted for Clinotn,

This article just plays to Hillary's I am a victim of sexism
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 07:48 AM
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5. Laaaame
"how many of hill supporters don't believe interacial dating"

You're reaching.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 09:43 AM
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6. Look at the poll
did I say all
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 02:10 PM
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11. Besides your strange extrapolation, that I've responded in your original thread
Edited on Sat Mar-29-08 02:28 PM by question everything
(on edit, it was not you who posted the original story but the claims are still bizarre and are not relevant to this OP)

the post of this story is not about Clinton's competency to be president. It is about the trashing and insults that she is taking just for being a woman. If men in the work place feel comfortable to refer to any woman as a bitch, in public, why should they not do this to their co-workers, bosses and customers?

McCain chuckled when a member of his audience asked him about "the bitch" but McCain quickly distanced himself from a supporter who referred to Obama as a hack, and who used Obama's middle name again and again. And, you know that no one would dare use the N word on McCain.

We've heard about all those "iron my shirt" and "make me a sandwich," about Hillary, but can you imagine if anyone will call Obama to "shine my shoes" or have a website to "show me your rhythm?"

This is the point. That too many men enjoy this "freedom" all of a sudden to use language denigrating women, as Hillary focal point, but would be quite happy, once these elections are over, to use them on other women in the work place and in public office.

After they've called Hillary a bitch, why not Nancy Pelosi, or Janet Napolitano, or Kathleen Sebelius?

And if anyone of us will be aghast, they will be surprised, and justifiably so.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 02:16 PM
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12. Exactly. There is an anti-Hillary 527 group
Edited on Sat Mar-29-08 02:17 PM by Ellen Forradalom
called Citizens United Not Timidly. Haven't heard any outcry over that. But how far would an anti-Obama 527 called Citizens Opposed to Ostentatious Negroes get? There's be widespread outrage, and rightly so.

Racism is completely unacceptable. So is sexism. We get there together, or not at all.

Edit for spelling.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:11 PM
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2. Win or lose, Clinton is waking a lot of young women up
to the sick pervasiveness of institutionalized sexism.

For that, I'll be very grateful to her.
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selador Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 03:21 AM
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3. hillary is waking people up
to the fact that a woman can be just as craven, hawkish, selfish, etc. as a man can be.

iow, that actually is a good thing, but probably not in the way you intended.

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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 07:48 AM
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4. That doesn't make it acceptable
to call her "thing," "lesbian," to tell her to iron my shirts or make me a sandwich, etc. The vitriol does not spring from her policies.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:38 PM
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8. I suggest you check out her voting record
Edited on Sat Mar-29-08 12:39 PM by Warpy
before you start flinging insults around.

I realize ambition in a woman is a very unseemly thing to men, but your response illustrates my point very well.

Misogyny in this country is deep seated and virulent and this campaign and posts like yours have awakened a new generation to that fact.

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selador Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 01:00 PM
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9. same meme, different day
the issue is not ambition. it's her.

it's no more misogynist to criticize hillary for her craven lying, etc. than it is to criticize condi for it.

you just want to play the "card".

it's not misogynistic to point out the she is a hawkish, selfish, lying, petty person.

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 07:56 PM
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13. if


it's not misogynistic to point out the she is a hawkish, selfish, lying, petty person.

that were what the opening post were about, and that were what someone was doing and someone else was finding strange and unacceptable, then you might have a point and a reason for posting here.

I'm not seeing either a point or a reason.

What do you have to say about the issue under discussion in this thread?

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IowaGirl Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:14 PM
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7. Sometimes I think the B word should be just as politically incorrect as the...........
N word.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 01:49 PM
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10. The case for that is becoming more compelling as the campaign progresses.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:12 AM
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14. A bullshit piece.
Nothing in it indicates a rising level of antagonism towards women. It DOES indicate a rising level of antagonism against Hillary.
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