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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 11:41 AM
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Another blow to "intelligent design"- Ancient Origins of the Human Eye Discovered
Scientists at the University of Hawaii at Manoa's Kewalo Marine Laboratory in Honolulu have discovered light-detecting cells in the embryo of a brachiopod, a marine invertebrate, whose organization may be similar to the primitive precursors of the human eye.

"This research provides a new model for understanding the very earliest stages of eye evolution, how simple cells on the surface of an animal could become able to respond to light, and how these simple cells could be connected to eventually form something as complex as the human eye," said Dr. Yale Passamaneck, lead author of the reserch team.

Researchers have long hypothesized that the complex human eye evolved from a very simple patch of cells on the surface of a primitive animal, slowly increasing in complexity by adding features such as pigmentation, a lens, and neuronal connections to the brain. To date, however, few examples similar to the earliest stages of this process have been identified.

Yale Passamaneck and Mark Martindale of Kewalo Marine Laboratory, along with colleagues in Germany and Norway, identified two distinct groups of light-detecting cells in the brachiopod embryo that may provide such examples. Both groups of cells contain light-sensitive cells called ciliary photoreceptors, the same type of cells that are responsible for light detection in the human eye.

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inademv Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 11:43 AM
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1. If only this was new knowledge
or something that ID advocates would pay attention to.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 11:45 AM
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3. They probably wouldn't be able to decipher the
article...and in some cases wouldn't be able to read the complicated words.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 11:43 AM
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2. Dogma will forever be unruffled by pesky, so-called "facts". nt
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 11:50 AM
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4. Leaving the question: "How do we fight it?"
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 11:55 AM
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6. IMO there is no effective fight in the online arena
In a personal setting I've found mockery to be effective.

Quite seriously, people get tired of being repeatedly humiliated and are sometimes willing to re-examine their beliefs. I'm happy to do my part. :patriot:
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 12:06 PM
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7. Hence, all the theocrats' calls for civility from the non-believers
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 04:53 AM
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14. "If reality is different from the Bible, then reality is wrong."
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 11:53 AM
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5. To the religous, faith trumps fact.
Faith inoculates them against the infection of scientific proof. The light they see is not provided by the electromagnetic spectrum, so eyes are irrelevant.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 01:08 PM
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8. Excellent work! Irreducible complexity my ass. nt
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 01:29 PM
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9. Just a comment: this is a modern organism, so "ancient origin" has not been discovered.
But it is a proof of principle, that an organism can use a patch of light-sensitive cells to its advantage even without all the bells and whistles, such as neurons, lens, etc. This blows the "irreducible complexity" argument of the creationists..ehm...intelligent designists...out of the water, so to speak.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 05:29 AM
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10. Are you going to start titling your space photo posts "Another blow to the theory that Earth rests
on the back of a very large turtle?"

It's just counter-productive to mention "Intelligent Design" in the context of scientific work: so-called "Intelligent Design" isn't a scientific theory -- it's an attempt by certain folk to dress up their philosophical prejudices in scientific-sounding language
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:57 AM
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11. I titled this because the eye is given as a prime example of ID
You are free to disagree.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 01:33 PM
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12. I appreciated your title. Our radar is similar.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 03:08 PM
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13. OK. But who is the audience for such an argument?
Unless one were to find something like a "maker's" workshop or blueprints or trademark stamped on the products, there will be no scientific evidence for the "intelligent design." This is the present state of affairs, and it means that "intelligent design" is not now a scientific theory but rather speculative philosophy. Its proponents may like to dress it up in scientistic language, but that does not mean that they are doing science. Science seldom, if ever, sheds light on speculative philosophical questions: in particular, scientific information is unlikely to sway proponents of "intelligent design" -- they will simply be free to assert that any given scientific fact is beside the point

Meanwhile, anyone seriously interested in science wants to know facts about the natural world and how such facts can be compiled together into a coherent "map," preferably a "map" that has some predictive power: science is pursued for mastery of the natural world, not to credit or discredit speculative philosophical ideas. From this POV, speculative philosophy is a cul-de-sac, where one cannot obtain scientific insights
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 10:34 AM
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16. It's a fact vs. belief problem not easily untangled.
We have the exact same problem in our politics, which is that most people are not rational enough to make an informed decision. Instead, they rely upon authorities to tell them what to think, make judgments for or against the person presenting the facts rather than the information and arguments offered, and generally make a mess of things because they're so easily deceived.

They're constantly deceived, in fact, because their perception of the world is based upon a completly defective method of understanding it.

So with that in mind, the answer seems to lie in finding a way to punish right-wing leaders who refuse to tell their flocks what's really going on. It should be pointed out that the leaders are largely suckers, too. They can be deceived, ripped off, discredited, and relegated to church basements on Friday nights with relative ease compared to, say, a clever and greedy sociopath of the Cheney/Rove cut.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:18 AM
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15. Every time I go to my doctor it's a "blow to intelligent design"
Some stuff is so random and kludgy it could only have been "designed" the Monday morning following a weekend bender of glue sniffing.

Evolution explains all the random stuff without invoking an "Intelligent Designer" who looks like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane!...



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