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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:24 AM
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Ancient Atomic Bombs
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 09:26 AM by Christa
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In December 1932, Patrick Clayton, a surveyor from the Egyptian Geological Survey, drove between the dunes of the Great Sand Sea, close to the Saad Plateau in Egypt, when he heard crunching under the wheels. When he examined what was causing the sound, he found great chunks of glass in the sand.

The find caught the attention of geologists around the world and planted the seed for one of the biggest modern scientific enigmas. What phenomenon could be capable of raising the temperature of desert sand to at least 3,300 degrees Fahrenheit, casting it into great sheets of solid yellow-green glass?

While passing through Alamogordo’s White Sands missile range, Albion W. Hart, one of the first engineers to graduate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, observed that the chunks of glass left by nuclear tests were identical to the formations that he observed in the African desert 50 years earlier. However, the extension of the cast in the desert would require that the explosion be 10,000 times more powerful than that observed in New Mexico.

Many scientists have sought to explain the dispersion of large glass rocks in the deserts of Libya, the Sahara, Mojave, and many other places in the world, as products of gigantic meteorite impacts. However, due to the absence of accompanying craters in the desert, the theory doesn’t hold up. Neither satellite imagery nor sonar has been able to find any holes.

Furthermore, the glass rocks found in the Libyan Desert present a grade of transparency and purity (99 percent) that is not typical in the fusions of fallen meteorites, in which iron and other materials are mixed in with the cast silicon after the impact.

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In 1927, years after the discovery of the Mohenjo Daro ruins, 44 human skeletons were found on the outskirts of the city. The majority were found face down, lying in the street and holding hands as if a serious catastrophe had suddenly engulfed the town. In addition, some bodies present signs of unexplainable radiation. Many experts believe that Mohenjo Daro is an unequivocal sign of nuclear catastrophe two millennia before Christ.


Full article:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/24575/


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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:27 AM
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1. MIHOP!
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:28 AM
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2. Airhead 101 science.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:34 AM
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3. Dude, what about lightning strikes?
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 09:53 AM by derby378
They've found some of those glass formations in the sand that look like the arcing of lightning bolts.

On edit: As for Mohenjo Daro, I've got nothin'.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:57 AM
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12. Over 2500 sq mi?
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:35 AM
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4. I heard about this recently. Interesting speculation. Thanks for posting the link. n/t
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:41 AM
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5. LOL
"...that modern scientists cannot explain"

So therefore MY wacky theory about nuclear wars in the bronze age is the TROOF!
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:49 AM
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8. I wonder which "modern scientists" they consulted...
Probably none. It's more fun to fantasize.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:46 AM
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6. Interesting questions that most scientists prefer not to deal with. nt
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:50 AM
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9. And you know most scientists?
Why do I think you know none at all? It's much more fun to speculate about such things, isn't it?
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:09 AM
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15. Of course I don't "know most scientists." I'm pointing out that most mainstream scientists haven't
dealt with info that is anomalous with what they already know.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:17 AM
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16. See my links below.
Scientists are investigating this desert glass, and have been for some time. Science doesn't jump to conclusions about stuff they find. They try to figure out what actually caused the phenomenon. There are several possibilities for this glass.

To me, the most likely seems to be the explosive end to a cometary-type object, as appears to have happened in Tunguska. Since it happened as long ago as 23 million years, much has changed in the landscape where this glass is found.

Saying that science doesn't investigate this stuff is just ignorant. There have even been conferences about this particular phenomenon.

Apply Occam's Razor to this. Assuming an age of 20+ million years, who, exactly would be building nuclear devices? Is not some exploding cometary meteor far more likely an answer?

Science studies, considers the evidence, then proposes possible causes. Silly people propose causes without knowing anything at all. I vote for the deliberations of the scientists.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:33 AM
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18. Thanks for links. My impression had been that not many scientists had studied
desert glass, or speculated on it much.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:53 AM
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20. That's the trouble with relying on such stories.
It doesn't take much effort to search Google for more information. Took me about ten seconds to find this stuff.

The assumption that a lot of people make that science isn't interested in unusual phenomena is simply wrong. They're very interested. Many dissertations and papers come from unusual phenomena, so lots of scientists are interested. What they don't do, however, is make stupid suggestions about causes. Instead, they actually study a phenomenon and try to figure out what was actually the cause, instead of speculating wildly, like the new age publications do.

Never assume. Never rely on one source. Investigate for yourself. That's why these times are so wonderful. You can have additional information almost instantly.

People are far too ready to accept the first jumble of words they encounter somewhere. That's a serious mistake.

This desert glass has been known about for a long time. People are still studying it. They don't have a definitive answer yet, but the least likely possibility is some nuclear explosion some 23 million years ago. That's just silliness.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:13 AM
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22. It is really less that they prefer not to deal with them, than that there
are no testable hypotheses about them, and they cannot earn a living chasing ghosts.

I'm sure that if someone would guarantee funding without the prospect of learning any answers, there would be plenty of scientists who would investigate such phenomena.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:35 AM
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24. Yes, funding is a big issue. nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:49 AM
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7. Eh, they never found a crater for the Tunguska explosion either..
That sucker leveled forests for miles and miles and burned up a lot too.

Was that a nuclear explosion as well?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:52 AM
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10. It was a nuke, fer shure.
Those folks out there in Siberia were fooling around in their hovels with some uranium, and things got out of hand. "Scientists" just won't admit that some ignorant Siberians solved the problem before they did.

I learned that from Derzu Uzala.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:17 AM
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23. Don't be silly.
It was a visitor's gravity drive that overloaded and went critical.

Duh.
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8 track mind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 02:25 PM
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27. "Comrade! Hold my Vodka and watch this!"
BLAM-O!

:rofl:
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:30 AM
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17. I thought it was speculated to be a meteor that exploded close to the surface. nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:44 AM
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19. There has been considerable speculation but to my knowledge no proof..
Everything from a mini black hole to a mini comet to an exploding meteor.

I believe that the entrance angle of the object into the atmosphere has been calculated to a rough approximation from the pattern of trees laid down in the blast.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:56 AM
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11. They should have consulted Wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_desert_glass

There are several scientific theories about this glass, which actually dates to about 23 million years ago. There have even been conferences to discuss it.

It's easy to say that science can't explain it.

New Age crap!
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:59 AM
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13. There's also this ancient meteor crater in Libya...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kebira_crater

Isn't it fun to actually look around?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:01 AM
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14. Chariots of the Gods covered this decades ago. nt
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:05 AM
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21. Man, I Thought This Would be from the Science section of Pravda
Must have missed this one.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 01:26 PM
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25. time travel!
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 01:28 PM by shireen
don't these guys watch SG-1?

they were probably launching an attack on half-ascended goa'uld Anubis.

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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 02:14 PM
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26. 25 million years? Enough time for tectonic motion?
Seems a long time. How far have the tectonic plates moved during that time? I seem to recall Africa and Europe are on separate plates. Could there have been an impact crater since covered up or moved by plate movement? Perhaps the crater is now under the Mediterranean?

I don't know enough about the speeds to know if that's remotely possible.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:48 PM
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28. Here's a website on Mohenjo Daro: it looks like a typical excavation to me, and I'm not
seeing anything in the photos that suggests the place was flattened by a nuclear explosion

www.mohenjodaro.net
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:52 PM
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29. Here's the Çatalhöyük website. Not finding anything there about ancient atomic weapons, either
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 09:58 PM
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30. What's that burning? Oh wait, it's the stupid. nt
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:18 PM
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32. Hahaha no it's the 22 million year old smell of the Zeus fart that made this
Scientists won't address the Zeus Fart Theory 'cause they's scurred.
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:57 PM
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31. Mohendjo Daro comments addressed here:
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 11:01 PM by Lithos
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:33 PM
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33. Clearly related to Xenu's attack on Teegeeack. End Transmission.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 12:17 PM
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34. Termites were the first species to utilize thermo-nuclear power.
Opposing termite mega-colonies eventually destroyed one another in spectacular thermo-nuclear explosions. Specialized "bomb warriors" would infiltrate the nuclear power cores of opposing colonies and initiate a detonation event.

The last remaining nuclear termite colony was destroyed by ants.
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