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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:45 AM
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IN activist blatantly, shamelessly lies about creationists' motives

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2005...

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The confrontation is evident in Fishers, where a fledgling advocacy group is threatening to sue Hamilton Southeastern Schools if the district fails to give a "balanced and nonpartisan" view of the origins of life -- in other words, to let Darwin's critics get equal time.

The group -- headed by Delaware County resident Alex P. Oren -- has a stated mission to stop "the influence of atheism and immorality" in public schools. While his faith motivates his effort, Oren insists he isn't seeking equal time for God, just the arguments against evolution.

"This is not science versus religion," he said. "This is science versus science."
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Yeah, right, you fucking liar!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 11:48 AM
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1. I'm still waiting for a Jesus-powered car...
If they have the universe figured out as a wholly owned and operated entity of God, then why haven't THEY made leaps in engineering and research?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:00 PM
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2. This zealot and his wife were interviewed
by NPR a few months back.
They are anti-science and a threat to education.
I was so angry after listening to that interview, I refused to listen to NPR for the rest of the week.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:04 PM
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3. If they want to include Darwin's criques then somebody should send
Edited on Wed Aug-17-05 12:05 PM by izzybeans
this fucknut John D. Watson's "The Double Helix" he'll learn that what Darwin got wrong was based on an empirical question concerning the difference between a gemulle and a gene. A difference between a classification analyst and a microscopic examination. If a science teacher wants to teach about Darwin's legitimate critics who do things like, oh I don't know, fucking science, then sure. Otherwise, tell this nitwit to bring the lawsuit and pay his lawyers, when he looses, ask him to appeal the decision, keep paying his lawyers. Through natural selection, his resources will have been depleted and his cause will become extinct. It'll be a glorifying day of reckoning. :bounce:

Burtworm, this guy probably isn't a liar, he's an imbecile with no concept of what comprises science.

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:10 PM
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4. He's blatantly lying about his motives.
He wants to wage jihad on science in the schools. It's what they all want.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:46 PM
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8. I agree...however I think what's scariest is that he probably believes
"with all his god fearing heart" he's right.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:00 PM
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10. Although, if he's so firm in their beliefs, why is he so threatened?
:wtf:
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:23 PM
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11. Because the firm believers are most threatened by that which
contradicts them most firmly.

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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:20 PM
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5. I just don't understand these people
This doesn't apply to all Christians, it doesn't apply to all theists, but it does apply to this kind of Christian.

The group -- headed by Delaware County resident Alex P. Oren -- has a stated mission to stop "the influence of atheism and immorality" in public schools.

Why do these people equate atheism with immorality? Why do these people think that without a petty, father-figure God looking over their shoulder life would become a free-for-all of killing and raping? This is beyond stupid. I have never killed or raped because I'm nice and normal, not because I fear the wrath of God.

In many ways, the mindset of this kind of Christian is more child-like than that of the children he's supposedly trying to protect.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:24 PM
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6. They fear and loathe us because they want to be like us.
That's my pop psychology take on it. We eat of the fruit they're forbidden to eat, and we live.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:37 PM
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7. Seriously...
I was discussing evolution vs creationism with a fellow who was a creationist, but otherwise seemed like a smart and reasonable guy. For some reason the discussion drifted to God's existance, and he said something like, "If I knew for a fact that God didn't exist, I'd go on a shotting spree, I mean, there's no punishment, so why not?"

WTF!? How do people live with the fear of a petty God looking over their shoulder?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 12:50 PM
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9. I guess human punishment is no punishment?
What an idiot! :eyes:
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:54 PM
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12. Sounds pretty undeveloped to me
Take a look at Lawrence Kohlberg's theory of the stages of moral development. Many of the more primitive Christians seem to be stuck in the 'pre-conventional' stages, similar to the moral sense shown by most young kids. It would be interesting to see whether they show signs of arrested cognitive development too (apart from having the ultimate imaginary friend, of course...)
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