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shockedcanadian Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:34 AM
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Update: My CSIS/RCMP lawsuit, defendants not denying allegations...
As some of you know I have launched a lawsuit against CSIS and the RCMP. In Canadian Federal Law I am required to list my actions against the government, I did so laying out my points of contention, including the employment interference and flagging at the U.S border by the Canadian government. I am seeking damages and more importantly accountability for the persecution for lack of a better word which I have experienced over the last 6 years (and beyond).

Surprisingly (though not to me), the government did NOT deny my accusations, which would send a strong message to the courts, instead the Crown sent me multiple pages of requests designed to delay and avoid any courtroom proceedings, and of course to threaten me with costs. This is the standard attempt to deny clients access to justice without directly stating so, (see the breach of contract launched by John Farrell against CSIS as an example), while an innocent party would simply deny the allegations and await the plantiffs' response, the Crown decided to play legal games with their citizens in an attempt to start a "war of attrition"; their unlimited budget versus the average Joes. This is much worse in Canada where we have very limited organizations who will assist financially during a human rights cause.

The standard response to an accusations is one of the following:

1. The defendant admits the allegations contained in paragraphs _____ of the statement of claim.

2. The defendant denies the allegations contained in paragraphs _____ of the statement of claim.

Even in some odd cases (such as one which I read about where the Plantiff accused CSIS of implanting a device into his brain), the Crown simply denies the allegation and then in the courtroom a judge either sides or doesn't. In my case, the Crown did NOT deny my allegations (as is the norm). This lack of denial is extremely important as it at the very least acknowledges the merit of the lawsuit, and furthermore it essentially admits some guilt. CSIS and the RCMP obviously have something to hide (some detractors on the site have suggested otherwise).

It is early in the process, but the obvious question anyone would ask is, "why wouldn't they deny the allegations?" If no employment interference occurred, than why wouldn't they simple plead innocence?

I had a massively redacted file sent to me when I requested it with a great deal denied access to due to "National Security". The all powerful (in Canada) National Security claim is invoked against a man who has no criminal record and have not been charged or even accused of anything? How much guilt can a party infer without even stepping into a courtroom?

I will keep people posted..
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:37 AM
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1. Do you have a link to an earlier thread or something that explains
what all of this is about? It's difficult to have a position on your issue without knowing what the issue might be.
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shockedcanadian Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:46 AM
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2. Absolutely...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

It is posted just a few postings below :)

In a very brief nutshell. I am taking CSIS to court due to employment interference at IBM Canada, and RBC (major bank here), and with sharing false information to the U.S government which caused me to be be flagged and have my passport confiscated for 40 minutes at the U.S border. I was told at the time that the U.S government did not a have a problem with me, but they suggested I contact the Canadian government to alleviate the situation, which obviously I am attempting now.



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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:51 AM
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3. OK, I read that. It explains nothing at all, except to repeat your
claim that you are being somehow interfered with by your government. Why would they be doing that? Normally, government agencies like those are not interested in random citizens. Why do you think they're interested in you? Why would they bother with you at all?

I actually went back and read all your posts on this business. Nowhere in them do you discuss why those agencies have any interest in you. Sorry, but I'm going to have to opt out of being interested in your story, unless you can explain. Right now, none of it makes any sense at all.
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shockedcanadian Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:26 AM
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4. Mineral Man...
Thanks for your candid response. I understand your position, myself, a strong defender of legitimate intelligence operations would ask the same questions. In my case, the answer unfortunately is not simple nor cut and dry. I cannot go into too deep of a detai as the response would need to be extremely detailed and complex, but I will give some broad strokes. You can be sure I would never go to the lengths I have to garner attention on myself from the state if I was not innocent. This you can be absolutely sure of regardless of your doubts. I am a University graduate with a scholastic award under my belt and I went as far as my MBA.

Their interest in me has changed ironically, and it is very complex (I have written an almost 100,000 word book outlining this in more detail). At this point for all intents and purposes has nothing to do with National Security or protecting Canadians, it has to do with protecting themselves. The fact that I was aware they were targeting me at IBM and I went to the Security Intelligence Review Committee to launch a complaint against them. I basically "made" their operative and was willing to expose these activities at a publicly traded company. it was the worst decision I could have made. Instead of less interference as one would expect, I experienced MORE. I was threatened twice after making this complaint and when I began my job at a major bank (RBC), I experienced the same until I was "managed out" of the company. It is their full intent to assassinate my character, and cover their own asses.

Their initial interest in me lied with their (and my) interest in The Reform Party (I have posted links to these stories). This was a grassroots political party that developed in Western Canada, founded by among other people a man named Preston Manning and Canada's current Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Yes, I kid you not, our current PM very likely was part of an organization which CSIS and the RCMP deemed a security risk. In fact, the current government has a major part of the Reform Party as it's members, it joined with The Canadian Alliance and the Conservaitves to form the current government (a majority, as it were).

When this organization was gaining some interest in Eastern Canada (Ontario where I am from), CSIS and the RCMP viewed them as a threat, a new party in which they didn't have the same amount of influence and control as they did in the traditional political parties in Canada (Liberals, Conservatives and NDP). I was not extremely interested in politics, but some of their beliefs made sense to me, including:

-a desire to eliminate affirmative action as it was not effective
- a desire to have referredums held with Canadians if any drastic legal changes or changes to the Charter of Rights and freedoms were to be discussed (unlike now where it is totally in the hands of Parlaiment).

CSIS and the RCMP, infiltrated The Reform party as they viewed them as some sort of radical threat. Keep in mind this is a law abiding party on Canadian soil. When they infiltrated this party their goal was simple; to discredit and tarnish them. In fact none other than a former CSIS agent has publicly stated this (Michael Juneu something or other). This was done by presenting them as a party full of radical, racist members; including some members of the Heritage Front (a White supremist organization funded by CSIS mole Grant Bristow).

The issue at the border was simply another in a long list of right violations which I have had to ensure. I have been to the U.S many times, in fact, I admire the U.S for their strong belief in freedom and civic duty and I have NEVER posed a threat to them, any more than I have ever posed a threat to Canada. I am not a violent person, not a terrorist or threat in any way shape or form, yet, this happens to me. It's the old guard, the dinosaur intelligence agencies in Canada more interested in manufacturing a threat and increasing their budgets, rather than dealing with legitimate and honest threats.

So there you have it, very briefly, their desire to target me and unwillingness to deny my allegations. If you read many of my former postings there will be more light shed on the subject. It is shocking for many to believe that a country as admired as Canada operates this way, and they are protected by the most draconian secrecy laws in ANY Western nation (and even some non-democratic nations). We are a great country with great citizens, but our intelligence agencies are quite immoral and absolutely unaccountable for the activities they engage in.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 10:36 AM
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5. OK. Well, good luck to you.
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libguy_6731 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 03:49 PM
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6. self-delete
Edited on Sat Aug-06-11 03:49 PM by libguy_6731
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