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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:38 PM
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Why try to preserve civil rights in America?
The mere existence of the ACLU suggests that the preservation of civil rights in America is not in the American national interest. If a cause is truly in the American national interest, then there is no need for an organized special interest group dedicated to that cause.

Does anyone have any comments?
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:48 PM
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1. Who wrote that?
Stalin? If we allow our liberties to be stripped from us, then we are not the country that George Washington and the gang sacrificed so much to found. If fighting for our liberties means using a special interest group to do it, then that's what it takes.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-27-06 02:33 PM
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4. Something similar was written by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
Endnote #1 from The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy:

Indeed, the mere existence of the Lobby suggests that unconditional support for Israel is not in the American national interest. If it was, one would not need an organized special interest group to bring it about.


They suggest that "unconditional support for Israel" is not in the American national interest. Perhaps because that suggestion is uncontroversial, few readers pay attention to the reasoning that allegedly supports the suggestion.

It's unfortunate that they didn't identify the parts of their paper that they consider to be at least a little bit controversial.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:55 PM
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2. Is it really a special interest group? The ACLU has
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 08:55 PM by MadMaddie
taken on black clients, white clients, women, gays, Limpballs and other characters in the name of protecting every Americans right. If protecting all Americans rights to free speech etc is now being called a specal interest group....that means the right is now trying to redefine what the ACLU does....

The ACLU represents what's good about America....protecting all Americans.

If you don't have groups like the ACLU who then will protect the little guy?

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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:09 PM
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3. If some African-Americans, whites, women, and gays eat potatoes, then
can we conclude that the National Potato Council is not a special interest group?
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patriothackd Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 08:59 AM
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5. Does the ACLU really protect the little guy?
Can you name the top five RECENT cases they've taken on to protect either people of color or little guys?
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craneguypaul Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 10:35 PM
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7. Why try?
Our civil rights must be preserved, if we allow the Conservative right unchallenged social manipulation we are doomed to replay the travesty played out by the Nazi's early last century. The psychological manipulation being used by the hate talk radio demigods and the republican party is no real secret. In his book "Escape From Freedom" Eric Fromm explained the need for totalitarian leadership in Judeo/Christian society. We must teach our children to question authority. We need to challenge our fellows when ignorance and predigest are expressed. The real trouble with doing that is it often leads to hurt feelings, the need for tact and diplomacy can't be overlooked. We are trying to open hearts and minds, not make new enemies.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-10 09:03 PM
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9. Kick
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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:53 AM
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10. I have no fear...
...for I AM THE PERFECT CITIZEN!

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NorthCarolinaLiberty Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 08:51 PM
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11. vigilance
The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 02:34 PM
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12. Kick in response to the thread ...
Edited on Sun May-22-11 02:34 PM by Boojatta
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