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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:59 AM
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CDC Pediatric Influenza Mortality Statistics from 04 - 09
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 05:38 AM by Techn0Girl
Some here might be interested in actual statistics considering all the fear mongering about children that has been going on regarding H1N1.

Here are the actual stats taken from the CDC for ALL influenza pediatric deaths from 04, when the CDC first started tracking pediatric flu mortality, through the 09 season that ended this October.

Flu Season Pediatric Deaths
2004-5 .... 39

2005-6 .... 41

2006-7 .... 68

2007-8 .... 83

2008-9 .... 147

The above stats were taken directly from ...
(search on the links for "INFLUENZA-RELATED PEDIATRIC MORTALITY" )
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2004-2005/04-05summary.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2005-2006/05-06summary.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2006-2007/06-07summary.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2007-2008/07-08summary.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2008-2009/weekly39.htm

Things to know:
1. The flu season runs from October to October.

2. Not all states reported pediatric stats to the CDC in the beginning according to the CDC links - notice that in the stats I provided that the pediatric flu mortality rate rises each year. This is because more and more states start reporting into the system.

3. Deaths occurring after this October 10 get included in next season's (2009-10) flu season figures.

4. The 2008-09 deaths include both the March 2009 and September 2009 H1N1 outbreaks

Notice the number go up each year as more and more states report into the pediatric influenza mortality stat system

A straight line progression of the increasingly accurately reported numbers indicates that normal pediatric flu mortality for this year would be expected to be near 100. This season's figures would account for about 50 more deaths in children than would otherwise be expected in a normal flu season.

The above figures give you some year-to-year context for what is actually happening.

Conclusion: Two H1N1 outbreaks this year accounted for 50 additional pediatric deaths over and above what would have been expected in a regular flu season.


By way of context bicycles accounted for over 100 pediatric deaths in 2008 alone:
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811156.PDF

... now if the bicycles mutate we could be in real trouble ...
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:15 AM
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1. What you've cobbled together is dead wrong.
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 06:16 AM by snagglepuss
Nov. 13, 2009 CHILDREN DEATH ESTIMATES TRIPLE OVER NIGHT

Weekly 2009 H1N1 Flu Media Briefing: Children’s Death Estimates Tripled Based on New Data

The following is an unedited rough transcript of the Thursday afternoon, Nov. 12, news conference at the CDC in Atlanta, Ga.


Mike Stobbe: Hi, mike from AP. Doctor, did you say 540 children, and you were reporting about 120 recently. That’s quite a jump. I thought the CDC was keeping careful track. Could you tell us a little bit more about how that number jumped so dramatically.

Anne Schuchat: that's right. As of last Friday we reported 129 children had been reported with laboratory confirmed h1n1 influenza. Additional reports have come in about pediatric deaths from laboratory confirmed influenza where typing information wasn't available. We know that a number of the deaths that we're seeing are occurring outside the hospital where testing is not possible. We know that not every patient with influenza gets a diagnosis of flu.

For instance, many people can have a bacterial pneumonia following a flu illness and may or may not be recognized as flu. We don't think anything has changed. We think our 540 number is a better estimate for the big picture out there. We think individual reports we're getting through the national pediatric death notification system are vitally important. That system gives us additional detail about underlying diseases that children have, about issues like the bacterial pneumonia problem. With that system we make sure our guidelines are right and on track. We do think for influenza it's virtually impossible to find every case with a lab test. So the estimation method we are using now we believe gives a bigger picture, a probably more accurate picture of the full scope of the pandemic.

Diane Davis: Diane Davis from WSB in Atlanta. With these numbers seeming to triple literally overnight, should the public's level of concern be affected? It’s fair to say when they hear this, they will be quite alarmed. What is your message to the public, parents and adults, when they hear these new numbers?

Anne Schuchat: influenza is serious. Vaccination is the best effort to protect one's self or family. These efforts give a bigger picture of what's going on and reaffirm the priority recommendations we've given. We focus vaccination on younger people because they are disproportionately affected with the virus. Things haven't really changed from last week to this week; with you just feel we're finally able to update the public on how big a toll this virus is having so far. Of course, this is just the first six months and I am expecting all these numbers unfortunately to continue to arrive.

http://www.huntingtonnews.net/columns/091113-staff-columnscdcbriefing.html
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:09 PM
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2. You fail to say How the Statistics from the CDC are wrong....
You don't say that because you fon't know.

Instead you paste in a soft HuffPo article because it contains a sentence or two that seems to support your odd belief system.

The numbers that I posted are directly from the linked CDC reports. I am sorry that you don't have the capacity to understand then but that is not my problem.

The numbers show that H1N1 has killed only 50 or so more children than a regular flu season would have.

The numbers show that bicycles kill more children in a given year than H1N1 has this year.

Those are the facts and just because they don't support your odd beliefs does not mean they are wrong. It means that you are wrong.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 03:59 PM
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3. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity'.
You'd might contribute something worthwhile if you took MLK's words to heart.

Obviously you don't even bother reading anything that doesn't conform to your pet notions. An Attitude that is both arrogent and irrational.

My post is not from Huffington it is the TRANSCRIPT of the WEEKLY CDC BRIEFING in Alanta, GA.



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:58 PM
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:52 PM
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13. Are you really so dense? The briefing revised CDC 's own number. Cases have tripled.
The CDC no longer stands by the numbers you state.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:01 PM
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14. Just because you say something doesn't make it so.
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 06:14 PM by Techn0Girl
I'm sorry but what you are saying is just magical thinking and is not supported by any facts at all.

Additionally , this thread talks about infant deaths and you suddenly start talking about number of H1N1 cases, not deaths - just infection rates. Apples and Oranges.

I have no idea what you are talking about and I suspect that makes two of us.


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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:43 PM
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17. I'm not saying it. The CDC revised its stats. CDC has upped number pediatric
deaths from 120 to 540. Read the effing facts.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:49 PM
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18. Sorry - you ae just making this up...I am sorry you are so confused about things...
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 06:53 PM by Techn0Girl
You just aren't being coherent about any of your figures.
The CDC most certainly did not "revise" their official figures through some HuffPo article.

The CDC stats are stated as in the links earlier.
You just don't understand them. I am sorry that you are having so much trouble but that's not my problem.

You just don't seem to be able to understand the written facts and instead substitute some sort of odd fantasy to replace what you can't comprehend.

I'm going to put you on ignore along with your friend "Dave" and be done with it.
I'm not going to waste time on children who simply make things up.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:53 PM
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20. I DIDNT POST A HUFFINGTON POST ARTICLE. I POSTED THE TRANSCRIPT
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 06:54 PM by snagglepuss
OF CDC'S NOV 13, 2009 BRIEFING.

READ THE FACTS.

THE CDC HAS REVISED ITS FIGURES. THE CDC HAS RAISED THE NUMBNER OF PEDIATRIC DEATHS FROM 120 TO 540.

YOU ARE RELYING ON OLD STATS.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:23 PM
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5. Why don't you go back through the weeks...
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 04:40 PM by SidDithers
and find out exactly how many kids died from H1N1 during the 2008/2009 flu year. The numbers are right there, you don't have to extrapolate them.

Edit: nevermind, I did the math for you.

From week 22, where pediatric deaths were first attributed to H1N1, through week 39, the end of the 2008/2009 season there were 73 confirmed pediatric deaths from the H1N1 virus. That's 73 confirmed out of 147.

So, your extrapolation is pure bullshit.

Sid
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:56 PM
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7. No you are wrong...
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 05:28 PM by Techn0Girl
The 2008 link clearly says the number of flu deaths .
And we are talking TOTAL flu deaths when for some odd reason you are fixated only on H1N1 . That's not what my post was about.

You don't seem to be able to understand either my original post or the CDC stats.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. I'll let my posts speak for themselves...
and I think most DU'ers can read them and understand that real data trumps extrapolations any day of the week.

Sid
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:10 PM
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12. And indeed they do. They speak volumes.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:20 PM
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4. And for Week 46, ending Nov 21...
Thirty-five influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Twenty-seven of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection, seven were associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined, and one was associated with a seasonal influenza A (H1) virus infection that occurred in March.

And the week before that, Week 45, ending Nov 14:
Twenty-one influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Fifteen of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection, and six were associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Week 44, ending Nov 7:
Thirty-five influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Twenty-six of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection, eight were associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined, and one was associated with an influenza B virus infection.

Week 43, ending Oct 31:
Eighteen influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Fifteen of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and three were associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Week 42, ending Oct 24:
Twenty-two influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Nineteen of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and three were associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Week 41, ending Oct 17:
Eleven influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Nine of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and two were associated with an influenza A virus for which subtype is undetermined.

Week 40, ending Oct 10:
Eleven influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Ten of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and one was associated with an influenza A virus, for which subtype is undetermined.



I'm sure you can do the math, but 7 weeks into the 2009/2010 flu season, we've got 121 pediatric deaths confirmed by H1N1, and 30 pediatric deaths by influenza A unknown subtype, which may or may not be H1N1.

I'll kick this thread weekly, as the CDC publishes their numbers, so we can further monitor the numbers, and see just how many pediatric deaths you think are insignificant.

Sid


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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. it never ceases to amaze how anti-vaxers embrace
death in others from diseases they deem to be insignificant.

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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. Just a reasonable person keeping a reasonable context.
Please, if you don't understand the numbers don't attribute any prior motivations to my own part.

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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:33 PM
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38. Anyone who checks your posts on the health forum knows that's BS.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 05:07 PM
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10. Yes, I agree that there were many deaths ...
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 05:29 PM by Techn0Girl
After Oct 10 as you rightly point out.
Oct was the middle and end of a large flu outbreak.

by your post we have 150 total pediatric deaths by influenza so far by your figures from the CDC site which I assumed were accurate until I looked at the reports myself at:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/fluactivity.htm

It appears that you made a mistake or perhaps your writing was unclear. There are 127 deaths of flu total for those weeks out of which some 30 or so were from flu other than H1N1.

It remains to be seen however whether this number will significantly increase over the next 12 months. Will it go to 175? Will it go to 200? Higher? We don't know. For all we know this could be the end of flu related deaths for the most part this season.

We don't know.

But even if the numbers go up by another 80 over the course of the season (200 total) then we still have only about 100 more pediatric deaths than would occur in a normal flu year.

I'm not saying this is not insignificant - I am saying that this is just not the national disaster that some people are making it out to be.

Contextually bicycles kill 100 children in a given year (that link I gave earlier). So even if we have 200 pediatric deaths this season which seems perhaps(?) close to the upper limit then what is happening is that H1N1 is causing about the same number of additional pediatric deaths - as do bicycles.

I am just trying to put this into a reasonable context and I thank you for your numbers. I do think it is important to keep track of what is really happening.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:29 PM
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15. The 30 or so that couldn't be subtyped aren't all some other flu.
Statistics actually show they are likely H1N1.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #10
21. OK, let me be more clear...
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 07:27 PM by SidDithers
Through week 46 of the 2009/2010 flu season, there have been 153 paediatric deaths from influenza, including 121 confirmed from H1N1. It's likely the other influenza deaths, from type A subtype unidentified were also H1N1, but we won't make that assumption.

Through week 46 of the 2008/2009 flu season, there were 0 paediatric deaths from influenza.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2008-2009/weekly46.htm

Is that enough reasonable context?

Sid



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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:06 PM
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23. You are reading it wrong (again)...
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 09:12 PM by Techn0Girl
I double checked each weekly stat and it looked to me as if you may be misreading the numbers. Whether intentionally or not I do not know. I do know that two other posters on this thread, whom I put on ignore, simply made up their own figures.

There should be 118 total flu deaths for the weeks you indicated
If you add up your very own numbers in your very own original post you get 118. Then if you go to each weekly CDC update you find that the weekly numbers that you posted (the ones that all add up to 118) are for TOTAL flu deaths - not for just H1N1 deaths.

So you can't have it both ways. You already said 118 total flu deaths for those weeks and now you are claiming more. That's just ridiculous.

The correct weekly figures (the ones that you originally posted) can be obtained from this link:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/fluactivity.htm.

But all of this is useless distraction and I will not go into it further with you. The figures are there for anyone with a 10th grade education to see.

The only point that I am making and it is still a valid one is that the number of additional H1N1 pediatric deaths are about the same as the number of deaths caused by bicycles - or about 100.



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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. This is the last time I will post the figures...
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 09:40 PM by SidDithers
if you can't add, that's not my problem. And it's more apparent that you don't understand the CDC data that you referenced in your OP.

From my post #4, 2009/2010 data:

#of pediatric influenza deaths
Week 46 - 35
Week 45 - 21
Week 44 - 35
Week 43 - 18
Week 42 - 22
Week 41 - 11
Week 40 - 11
Total = 153 pediatric influenza deaths through first 7 weeks of 2009/2010 flu season

included in those 153 deaths are:
# of pedeatric influenza deaths from H1N1
Week 46 - 27
Week 45 - 15
Week 44 - 26
Week 43 - 15
Week 42 - 19
Week 41 - 9
Week 40 - 10
Total = 121 pediatric H1N1 pediatric deaths.

And since you wanted to compare to previous years:

Weeks 40-46 inclusive, 2008/2009 flu season - 0 pediatric deaths from influenza virus
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2008-2009/weekly46.htm

Weeks 40-46 inclusive, 2007/2008 flu season - 0 pediatric deaths from influenza virus
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2007-2008/weekly46.htm

Weeks 40-46 inclusive, 2006/2007 flu season - 0 pediatric deaths from influenza virus
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2006-2007/weekly46.htm

Weeks 40-46 inclusive, 2005/2006 flu season - 1 pediatric death from influenza virus
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2005-2006/weekly46.htm

Weeks 40-46 inclusive, 2004/2005 flu season - 0 pediatric deaths from influenza virus.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2004-2005/weekly46.htm


So, in the previous 5 flu seasons, for the same time period (weeks 40-46 inclusive) there has been a total of 1 pediatric death from influenza.

For the 2009/2010 season, there have been 153 pediatric deaths from influenza, including 121 confirmed as H1N1.



Let me repeat that, it seems important:

In the previous 5 flu seasons, for the same time period (weeks 40-46 inclusive) there has been a total of 1 pediatric death from influenza.

For the 2009/2010 season, there have been 153 pediatric deaths from influenza, including 121 confirmed as H1N1.





You don't think that's a significant difference? You don't think that's a worrisome trend? You want to write that off, because it's only slightly more than the number of kids killed by bicycle accidents?

The figures are there for anyone with a 10th grade education. When will you be starting high school?

Sid

Edit: formatting adjustments
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:42 PM
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26. No I don't think it's significant...
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 09:43 PM by Techn0Girl
OK... let's take your figures as gospal.
Same answer.

150 total pediatric flu deaths in 2 months AFTER we went through a seasonal bout of H1N1 flu .

A normal flu season accounts for 100 pediatric deaths a year.
We're up to 150 now after a bout of flu.
Let's say we even go up another 80 deaths during the season. That's 230 deaths -
or only 130 more than during a normal flu season.
or about the same amount more as the number of child bicycle deaths each year.

Same answer.
It's not the end of the world.

Unless you intend to devote as much energy to warning people about the dangers of children riding bicycles as you are to this flu , I can not understand your concern.

Same answer.


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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. I'll kick this thread weekly, with updated CDC data...
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 09:56 PM by SidDithers
and we'll see how close your estimation of another 80 deaths for the year is. We've got 45 more weeks to go this year, including probably 18 weeks in what is usually considered peak flu season.

How many deaths will you need to see to consider it significantly different? Say, instead of 80 additional deaths, taking us to 230, we get 250 additional deaths, taking us to 400 pediatric deaths. Is that significant? Do you need 500? 600?

I'm just trying to get a gauge on your arbitrary frames of reference.

Edit: and they're not my figures. They're your figures, from the site you provided in the OP
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:34 PM
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30. Weekly figures are always a good thing. Let's see what happenns...
We only have 150 deaths now.
There is no need for you to cheerlead for more.

The sensible thing to do is to wait an see what happens.
Last March the flu came and went without disaster .
This September and October the same thing happened.

There is no reason to expect any great disaster.
None at all.




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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #30
57. He's been posting the weekly figures but you haven't been responding.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 12:25 AM
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41. Do you seriously not know the difference between CDC flu reporting season and seasonal bout of flu?
"150 total pediatric flu deaths in 2 months AFTER we went through a seasonal bout of H1N1 flu ."

No, we are still IN the bout of H1N1 influenza. Obviously we aren't "through a seasonal bout" since there is still a shitload of it out there, and people dying from it.

CDC collects numbers Oct-Oct because that is the typical season for typical standard seasonal influenza. H1N1 has not fallen within that time, we are not "through a seasonal bout" of it but IN it. "150 total pediatric flu deaths in 2 months" shows we are not "through a seasonal bout".

Are you really incapable of understanding that or do you just like to argue, or have to prove yourself right?
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #24
63. One problem with your very clear analysis (I liked the lists!)
Is that the H1N1 was unusual in that it was active during time periods not typically considered the flu season.

So rather than compare a narrow time period from one year to the next, it might be a better idea to wait until the 'year' is over and then compare total annual fatalities from year to year.

I've long thought that this thread was trying to make points that it is just to early to make.
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. Oops! Just realized I respond to a 2.5-month old post - nt
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:37 PM
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16. I hate to call BS but you need to provide a link for your March 09 H1N1 outbreak.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 06:51 PM
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 08:07 PM
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22. Sorry you are wrong, there was no H1N1 outbreak in the US in March of 2009.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:36 PM
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25. From 04-05 your data only includes 17 states for the first half of the year.
In October 2004, influenza-associated pediatric deaths became nationally notifiable. As of July 6, 39 pediatric deaths had been reported to CDC from 17 states (California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Vermont, and Virginia) and New York City during the 2004-05 influenza season. All deaths were reported during January-June 2005.

From 05-06 the data is from 14 states.

During October 2, 2005 through June 24, 2006, 41 pediatric deaths have been reported to CDC from 14 states (Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Kansas, Michigan, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, and Wyoming) and New York City. Four of the deaths reported during this time period occurred prior to the 2005-06 influenza season. Influenza-associated pediatric mortality was first made a nationally notifiable condition for the 2004-05 influenza season. Due to the length of time this system has been in place, and because state participation may vary, it is not feasible to compare the number of deaths from season-to-season.

and so on.


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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. yes , that's right - I say that in the original post
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 09:57 PM
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29. Kind of, but you also say this - "Here are the actual stats taken from the CDC for ALL influenza ...
"Here are the actual stats taken from the CDC for ALL influenza pediatric deaths from 04"

And the OP title would also suggest complete information, which of course is misleading.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Your inability to read and interpret is not my problem.
Sorry but that's your problem.
I stated it all in the original O.P. including the fact that not all states reported in the early years. If you didn't understand the words that is not my problem.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:45 PM
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32. I can read and interpret just fine thanks.
Your quote again ... "Here are the actual stats taken from the CDC for ALL influenza pediatric deaths from 04"

There's only one way to interpret that statement. Unless you have another definition of the word "all"?
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:30 PM
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33. You can start by quoting the entire sentence ....
rather than a snippet that just supports your weird point.

And by the way do you have a point?
I don't think so. I'm not going to waste my time with someone who can't even read a basic sentence and is dishonest in his quotes .

You're on ignore from now on. You're a waste of time.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:32 PM
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34. Fine, here is the complete sentence.
"Here are the actual stats taken from the CDC for ALL influenza pediatric deaths from 04, when the CDC first started tracking pediatric flu mortality, through the 09 season that ended this October."

Incorrect, regardless.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 12:26 AM
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42. Fine, here is the complete sentence.
"Here are the actual stats taken from the CDC for ALL influenza pediatric deaths from 04, when the CDC first started tracking pediatric flu mortality, through the 09 season that ended this October."

Incorrect, regardless.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:37 AM
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49. Ignore the last bastion of the closed minded.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 11:52 AM
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35. Week 47 Update from CDC
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 11:58 AM by SidDithers
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/fluactivity.htm

During Week 47 - Seventeen influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Twelve of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and five were associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Through the first 8 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 170 pediatric deaths from influenza, 133 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 8 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 0 pediatric deaths from influenza.
Through the first 8 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 0 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Sid
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 01:13 PM
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36. See? Totally overblown.
Only 170 deaths as compared to 0 the last two years. 170 is equal to zero for very small values of 170, you know.
:evilgrin:
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 11:41 PM
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40. That's not fair Sid. You shouldn't pick on the weak.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 12:27 AM
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43. Thank you Sid.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/fluactivity.htm

During Week 47 - Seventeen influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Twelve of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and five were associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Through the first 8 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 170 pediatric deaths from influenza, 133 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 8 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 0 pediatric deaths from influenza.
Through the first 8 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 0 pediatric deaths from influenza.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 01:30 PM
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37. Week 48 update from the CDC
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/fluactivity.htm

During Week 48 - Sixteen influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Thirteen of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection, two were associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined, and one was associated with an influenza B virus infection.

Through the first 9 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 186 pediatric deaths from influenza, 146 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 9 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 0 pediatric deaths from influenza.
Through the first 9 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Sid
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 10:51 PM
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39. If I'm following your posts in this thread right
there's been 25 pediatric deaths from H1N1 between weeks 46 and 48?

If so, my god. It would be absolutely monstrous to dismiss such facts as insignificant.


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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 10:41 AM
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44. Yes, that's right.
Edited on Sat Dec-12-09 10:43 AM by SidDithers
In week 47, there were 13 confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths.
In week 48, there were 12 confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths.

From what I understand, the CDC normallly starts each flu season's reporting at week 40. This year, they've gone back to week 35, to include deaths from this new H1N1 virus in the same reporting period. Unfortunately, this makes is difficult to compare year-to-date numbers from year to year.

Here's weeks 40-46 inclusive.

In week 46, there were 27 confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths.
In week 45, there were 15 confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths.
In week 44, there were 26 confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths.
In week 43, there were 15 confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths.
In week 42, there were 19 confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths.
In week 41, there were 9 confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths.
In week 40, there were 10 confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths.

And yes, I agree with you about the significance. While I don't think the numbers justify any sort of keep-your-kids-home-from-school type panic, I do think they reinforce the need for good hygiene practices and vaccinations.

Sid

Edit: forgot week 46
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:48 AM
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45. Week 49 update from the CDC
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

During Week 49 - Nine influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Eight of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and one was associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Through the first 10 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 195 pediatric deaths from influenza, 154 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 10 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 0 pediatric deaths from influenza.
Through the first 10 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Numbers definately trending down, which is good news.

Sid
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 05:48 PM
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46. Thank goodness it is abating a bit
Hopefully it won't swing back in a few months to take a second hit (third really, counting the first flurry of swine flu last spring).
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 04:14 PM
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47. Week 50 update from the CDC
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 04:15 PM by SidDithers
During Week 50 - Nine influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Eight of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and one was associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Through the first 11 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 204 pediatric deaths from influenza, 162 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 11 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.
Through the first 11 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.


Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 02:10 AM
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48. Week 51 update from the CDC...
During Week 51 - Four influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Two of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and two were associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Through the first 12 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 208 pediatric deaths from influenza, 164 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 12 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 0 pediatric deaths from influenza.
(The pediatric death that was reported during week 50 was later reclassified by the state to not be due to influenza. No influenza-associated pediatric deaths have been reported during the 2008-09 season.)

Through the first 12 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 11:22 AM
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50. Week 52 Update from the CDC...
During Week 52 - Four influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. All four deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection.

Through the first 13 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 212 pediatric deaths from influenza, 168 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 13 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Through the first 13 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.


Definately slowing down. Vaccination is a good thing.

Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 12:50 PM
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51. Week 1 Update from the CDC
During Week 1 - Four influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. All four deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection.

Through the first 14 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 216 pediatric deaths from influenza, 172 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 14 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Through the first 14 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.


Sid
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 02:13 PM
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52. Thank you for posting these updates.
Let's hope the deaths continue to stay low and hopefully go down even further.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 02:33 PM
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53. Agreed...nt
Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 10:36 AM
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54. Week 2 update from the CDC...
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 10:36 AM by SidDithers
During Week 2 - Nine influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Three deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection, four were associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined, one was associated with an influenza A (H3) virus infection, and one was associated with an influenza B virus infection. The influenza A(H3) and B deaths occurred during the 2008-09 influenza season. (So, 7 total in week 2 of 2009/2010)

Through the first 15 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 223 pediatric deaths from influenza, 175 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 15 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 0 pediatric deaths from influenza. (The pediatric death that was reported from Minnesota during week 52 was later reclassified by the state as not due to influenza. No influenza-associated pediatric deaths have been reported during the 2008-09 season)

Through the first 15 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.


Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 11:44 AM
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55. Week 3 updates from the CDC...
Edited on Fri Jan-29-10 11:51 AM by SidDithers
During Week 3 - Five influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Four deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and one was associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Through the first 16 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 228 pediatric deaths from influenza, 179 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 16 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 2 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Through the first 16 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Sid
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-30-10 10:38 AM
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56. I've been following this as well.
We are not finished with H1N1, I'm afraid. The OP's mindless blather notwithstanding.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 09:34 AM
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60. I think you're right, Robb...
H1N1 seems to be still simmering, and who knows if we're going to get another wave. Hopefully, the vaccination program was effective.

From previous years, the next 8 weeks are the heaviest in terms of regular, seasonal flu mortality. I certainly expect an uptick in pediatric deaths not associated with H1N1 over the next couple months.

And, I'm happy to kick the mindless blather, to keep it exposed.

Sid
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 05:43 PM
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58. Keep up the good work my friend.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 09:28 AM
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59. Thanks, Dave...
the stats come out on Friday mornings, and I ususally try to get the update done around noon.

Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 05:21 PM
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61. Week 4 update from the CDC...
During Week 4 - Four influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. All four deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection.

Through the first 17 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 232 pediatric deaths from influenza, 183 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 17 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 2 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Through the first 17 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:46 AM
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62. Week 5 update from the CDC...
Because the CDC retroactively updates their weekly reports, as more accurate information is available, I went back and redid the stats for the 2009/2010 Flu Season, starting at week 40. That's the reason the totals this week aren't simply last week's numbers plus this week's activity.


During Week 5 - Three influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Two deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and one was associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Through the first 18 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 245 pediatric deaths from influenza, 191 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 18 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 3 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Through the first 18 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 1 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Sid
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:29 PM
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65. That is pretty dramatic. nt
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 02:02 AM
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66. Ain't that the truth. Yet people are still calling it propaganda.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:39 PM
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67. Week 6 Update from the CDC...
During Week 6 - Two influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Both deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection.

Through the first 19 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 247 pediatric deaths from influenza, 193 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 19 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 4 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Through the first 19 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 10 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 10:20 AM
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68. Week 7 update from the CDC...
During Week 7 - Three influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. One death was associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and two deaths were associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Through the first 20 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 250 pediatric deaths from influenza, 194 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 20 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 9 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Through the first 20 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 22 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:34 PM
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69. Week 8 Update from the CDC...
During Week 8 - One influenza-associated pediatric death was reported and was associated with an influenza B virus infection. This death occurred during the 2008-09 influenza season.

Through the first 21 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 251 pediatric deaths from influenza, 194 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 21 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 17 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Through the first 21 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 24 pediatric deaths from influenza.


Good news! Our first week of the 2009/2010 flu season without a pediatric death from 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:11 AM
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70. Week 9 update from the CDC...
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 11:13 AM by SidDithers
During Week 9 - No influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported.

Through the first 22 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 251 pediatric deaths from influenza, 194 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 22 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 22 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Through the first 22 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 32 pediatric deaths from influenza.


I wonder if exposure to H1N1 early in the season is providing protection against regular seasonal flu later in the season. Based on previous years, we should be seeing more mortality from seasonal flu through these typical flu season weeks, but activity is almost non-existent.


Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:19 AM
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71. Week 10 update from the CDC...
Edited on Fri Mar-19-10 10:21 AM by SidDithers
During Week 10 - Two influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. One death was associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and one death was associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Through the first 23 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 253 pediatric deaths from influenza, 195 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 23 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 26 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Through the first 23 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 41 pediatric deaths from influenza.



Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 09:55 AM
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72. Week 11 update from the CDC...
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/fluactivity.htm


During Week 11 - One influenza-associated pediatric death was reported and was associated with an influenza A virus for which the subtype was undetermined.

Through the first 24 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 254 pediatric deaths from influenza, 195 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 24 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 32 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Through the first 24 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 48 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Sid
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 02:21 PM
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73. Week 12 update from the CDC...
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/fluactivity.htm

During Week 12 - One influenza-associated pediatric death was reported and was associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection.

Through the first 25 weeks of the 2009/10 flu season - 255 pediatric deaths from influenza, 196 of which are confirmed to have been caused by 2009 influenza A (H1N1)

Through the first 25 weeks of the 2008/09 flu season - 35 pediatric deaths from influenza.

Through the first 25 weeks of the 2007/08 flu season - 53 pediatric deaths from influenza.


Sid
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