Metal compounds fatal in human neuronal and fetal cells

[tabatha]

Mitochondrial dysfunction, impaired oxidative-reduction activity, degeneration, and death in human neuronal and fetal cells induced by low-level exposure to thimerosal and other metal compounds

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a91065...

[havocmom]

1. ah oh`

[Klukie]

2. Here is a list of potential sources of Thimerosol...

check it out....has anyone ever wondered if it was the common exposure of these substances that have caused problems versus specifically targeting vaccines? ( I am not sure if that was your intent...to target vaccines..I am just asking as a general question)

http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/mercurysources.html

[trotsky]

3. Yup, the Geiers.

Automatically suspect.

Besides, thimerosal isn't even in the routine vaccinations anymore. Sounds like they're just looking to swindle more parents.

[ensho]

4. kick

nt

[TheMadMonk]

5. Exposes cells in isolation to a lot of things naturally present in the body,...

...and those cells will also die. Even pure water itself.

Despite multiple studies, that include autopsies, and brain biopsies, nobody has ever managed to demonstrate the presence of mercury in the brains of the recently vaccinated that can not be adequately explained by exposure to mecury in the environment. Mercury that is many, many times more biologically active than that present in thimerserol. Mercury that is present in each and every one of us, and provided that it doesn't exceed a certain threshold does us no discernible harm.

It is virtually impossible to prove a negative. However, no study has ever managed to demonstrate a direct or even indirect causative link between the mercury in vaccines and neurological disorders.

If mercury is in any way linked to autism spectrum disorders (which is where you appear to be going, by not going there) then it would almost certainly have to be in conjunction with a specific and obviously very rare sensitivity that is not present in the vast majority of the population. A sensitivity that would be eventually triggered by environmental exposure unless people with it are isolated in a completely mercury free environment.

[trotsky]

6. Facts don't matter to the twue believers.

But I appreciate your post.

[tabatha]

7. You are guessing at intent.

My intent was to hear all sides of the story - i.e. both positive and negative.
That is why there was no commentary from me. I like to hear all sides, unlike some others.

I said in a previous post sometime ago, that that is exactly what I think - "a rare sensitivity" - because babies are growing so fast that any harm is usually handled and probably completely obliterated from a small mercury application.

There may be a number of factors contributing to "a rare sensitivity" - such as other chemical pollutants, genetic problems, etc. But any study should be appreciated, and considered in the context of all factors.

[trotsky]

8. Thank you for playing the role of FAUX News - Fair and Balanced.

Will you also bring us articles denying global warming? After all, if you're all about hearing "all sides of the story," I assume you are willing to post those articles too, right?

Look, quite simply, the Geiers' study looked at cells in a Petri dish exposed to chemicals ("in vitro"). As the other poster tries to point out, that can be vastly different than the reaction "in vivo" or in the live body. It is ridiculous to draw any conclusions whatsoever from this latest Geier nonsense. Keep in mind, they have a huge financial conflict of interest in this. They are *paid* "expert witnesses" who directly benefit from stirring the pot on a vaccine "controversy."

[tabatha]

9. I try to post scientific studies.

There are no scientific studies denying global warming.

I did NOT draw any conclusions, and I don't think the article did either.

[trotsky]

10. There are no scientific studies linking thimerosal to autism either.

That didn't stop you, or the Geiers.

[TheMadMonk]

11. I guess at intent becasue ASDs are the obvious destination...

...given the subjects thimerserol, neural and fetal cells.

I suspect I am entirely accurate.

Thimerserol is much more commonly used in Africa and other hot climate third world locations than in the West. There is no comensurate increase in ASDs in these nations. IF anything the prevalence is somewhat lower than in developed nations, though this is dificult to tell because diagnostic testing is less available.

Several nations have entirely phased out the use of Thimerserol in vaccines. There is no comensurate reduction in the prevalence of ASDs there.

Given these simple observations, then for Thimerserol to be the culprit, it must almost certainly be ingested Thimerserol from non-vaccine sources, such as those pointed out by an earlier poster. Ingested, and thus subjected to digestive proccesses which might (I say might, because I have no knowledge one way or the other) convert the compound Thimerserol to a more biologically active (and thus more harmful) mercuric compound. All a great deal of speculation, but because it hasn't been investigated anywhere near as rigorously as the thimerserol present in vaccines, it may be possible that the jury is still out as to whether or not a mother's vanity is implicated in her child's affliction.

I'll add this, at least some forms of autism appear to be the result of a brainstem defect which develops in utero two years or more before symtoms manifest, and long before it is even possible to administer the vaccines that far too many would like to implicate.

If other ASDs are the result of environmental factors, and their heightened prevalence in devoloped nations at least weakly suggests this posibility, then perhaps we should consider those factors which are common in these locales. And further, carefully consider differences in environmental pollutants (and their sources) between different "styles" of developed nations. As far as I'm aware China and before it, Soviet block countries in Eastern Europe, have not experienced the same increase in ASD diagnoses as the West, despite their highly polluting power generation industry (an industry that is notorious for releasing mercury into the environment). Yet one more negative correlation between mercury and ASDs.

What one thing makes the West stand out in comparison to these countries? I would say the motor car and the infernal combustion engine which powers it. Pure speculation on my part, but still a positive correlation.