America's Health Insurance Industry is a Continuing Criminal Enterprise. Their greed

[John Q. Citizen]

results in the foreseeable deaths of eighteen thousand (18,000) men, women, and children each year and every year in America. The cause of death is the purposeful denial of access to health care, for profit.

Just like the Drug Cartels, The Sex Traffickers, and The Mafia, The Asbestos Mines, and the Tobacco Companies, The Health Insurance Companies make big money and could care less that their business kills Americans each and every day.

Many lawmakers and important government officials accept or have accepted large payoffs from these criminals. And many powerful public "servants" do the bidding of these scumbags.

From George Bush, to Max Baucus to Hillary Clinton to Chuck Grassly, to Barack Obama, these powerful men and women refuse to protect our sons and daughters, our brothers and sisters, our husbands and wives, our mothers and fathers and instead knowingly and complicity choose to protect the interests of criminals.

We are on to you Max, George, Hillary, Chuck, Barack, and you ilk! We have had enough of your criminal associations, we have had enough of your casual acceptance of blood money, and we have had enough of your complicity in the death, disfigurement, injury, and harm that your morally corrupt acceptance and furtherance of an ongoing criminal conspiracy have caused.


At one point in our history we allowed men and women to own other men, women, and children and to exploit them as slaves for economic profit; then, We said ENOUGH!

At one time in our history we let the factory owners and the mine owner work children to death for the profit of the owners. then, We said ENOUGH!

At one point in our history we let polluters dump toxic poisonous wastes into our water, our land, and our air, that killed and injured people so that the few could make more money; then, We Said ENOUGH!

At one time in our history we let Tobacco Companies market addictive poison to our kids for their corporate profit. Then, We Said ENOUGH!

Right now in our history we allow the health insurance companies to determine if we receive health care, what kind and how much we receive, and we allow them to bribe our public officials so that they can continue to make money while we go without health care. ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! Things have changed.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

1. If they insured your health and welfare as much as they insured

their profits, one would go up, the other down and the PAYING field would be leveled more or less.

www.lef.org

[xchrom]

2. i certainly think now that it will take this kind of anger

on the part of the people to get the 'change' that we the people need.

[John Q. Citizen]

3. I think we need to make the insurance industry as welcome as the tobacco industry or the

asbestos mining industry, or the porn industry.

We need to make the whores we call legislators think twice about associating with and taking money from these scumbags.

[ipaint]

4. Don't miss bill moyers tonight.

This week on the JOURNAL, Bill Moyers spoke with two leading healthcare journalists, Trudy Lieberman and Marcia Angell, M.D., seeking their perspectives on the current health reform debate in Washington. Lieberman and Angell each addressed whether the “public option” proposed by President Obama would actually serve to insure all Americans and who in the private health industry stands to benefit from the reforms under discussion.

“What has essentially advocated is throwing more money into the current system. He's treating the symptom and he's not treating the underlying cause of our problem. Our problem is that we spend two and a half times as much per person on health care as the average of other advanced countries, and we don't get our money's worth. So now he says, ‘Okay, this is a terribly inefficient, wasteful system. Let's throw some money into it...’ Obama said in his press conference the worst thing we can do is nothing, the most costly thing we can do is nothing. I disagree with that – you can throw more money into this system and make it even more costly... I think we have to start all over on this, I really do. I think we have to go for a single payer system.”

Marcia Angell, M.D.


“From my vantage point, I don't see that the solutions for controlling costs, that will really control costs the way other countries do, are really in place... We hear about preventive care as saving costs, because intuitively it sounds like it's going to work, but the academic studies show that more preventive care actually raises costs. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing to do, but it's not a good cost saver in the system... has been vague right from the very beginning, we have not known exactly what the Obama health plan has been... I see an administration that is trying to keep this playbook going as long as possible, and to commit to as little as possible until the eleventh hour. By then, it’s going to be too late for the American people to know what’s going to await them... As a journalist, that troubles me.”

Trudy Lieberman

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2009/07/diagnosi...

[xchrom]

5. bumping your heads up --

'We hear about preventive care as saving costs, because intuitively it sounds like it's going to work, but the academic studies show that more preventive care actually raises costs.'

[starroute]

6. Those deaths are not a bug but a feature

They're not merely collateral damage. They're not something that the people who run the system callously overlook. They're an essential part of the system. They're the whip that keeps everybody else paying up. Take away the deaths and you take away the incentive.

There is a depth of evil in our for-profit health care system -- as in many of our other for-profit systems -- than cannot be explained merely in terms of obliviousness. It is knowing evil, deliberate evil -- and evil that is essential to the perpetuation of the system itself. And that is the real, the ultimate reason why the system needs to be destroyed.

[John Q. Citizen]

7. Exactly! Just like whipping or hanging run away slaves enforced that system of evil. Allowing

18,000 deaths every single year, (6 9/11's a year) the insurance industry death-eaters keep their money rolling in.

Thank you for this input put. I want to use this piece to galvanize the vast majoritarian perception that we need a single payer system. I believe that until we can take the issue from the abstract to the realm of moral imperative we will be spinning our wheels.

It is an idea and a campaign that is evolving and I would appreciate any feedback to make it both more concise and more salient.

[Strider2]

16. Why demonize?

Think way back to when health insurance first became a reality. Prior to that it was a fee for service. No one then had a right to see a doctor. You paid if you wanted his service. Health insurance made paying for it a LOT easier. Now you want to demonize an industry that is providing a service we ask them to. On top of that, we think the government will somehow provide a better service--for less cost. I get VA benefits & have worked with the IHS. People there get denied care as well. Oh, and Medicare? Besides being rife with fraud & waste, it has a higher denial rate than your demonized private health care payment companies--some of which are NOT for profit.

The only logical reason for demonizing these companies is so someone else can control 1/6 of the US economy.

[silverweb]

8. They're guilty of conspiracy and collusion to defraud.

People pay them thousands of dollars and then are not provided with the care they were promised, resulting in great harm and even death, which I would at the very least call voluntary manslaughter.

This is prosecutable and I think AG Holder -- or better yet, an independent prosecutor -- seriously started building a case against these companies. Some of these health insurance and HMO execs definitely belong in jail.

[Shagbark Hickory]

9. And so do the politicians fighting to continue the status quo.

[Glory89fan]

10. Definitely

I mean, what kind of a system charges someone $15,000 to have your finger reattached?

[xchrom]

11. kick

[steven johnson]

12. I disagree -- demonizing the insustry is misguided at best

Polemical flourishes and legalistic metaphors muddy the waters.

[John Q. Citizen]

13. some people believe big tobacco got a raw deal. I'm not one of those people. The faster

our elected leaders don't want to be seen in public with the health insurance industry the better for all of us.

The industry is slime. They are criminals. And decent honest people don't hang out with criminals.


Same goes for slave holders, in my book.

I know there are people who will argue that slave holders are just honest business people.

Again, I disagree with those people.

[once_a_fool]

15. Demonising

Have relatives, say your Grandparents, one and/or both of them have a major medical problem such as Cancer or Heart problems...their medical bills mount up far beyond what they can afford to pay...they loose their paid off house and have to file bankruptcy...they loose everything and have to move in with you or your parents...now tell me who is the "Villain" in this all to often repeated scenario, that should NOT be Demonized???

[once_a_fool]

14. The Insatiable Greed

"Instantaneous Gratification," of the bottom line. Management paid enough to amass a fortune large enough to live like "Royalty" for "several lifetimes."

The President essentially has said by inference, "...If the Insurance companies keep raping America's pocketbooks, it won't be long until this major contribution to the destruction of our economy, and hence, our country, will come to fruition...then they will have 'raped' themselves out of existence!" "There are finite limits or boundaries on how much money you can 'squeeze' out of a society before it collapses!" "Just think about it...you won't have any place in the United States to spend all that money!"

If the insurance industry keeps "pushing the envelope" on how much the can squeeze out of our society, there may be a call for a "Constitutional Convention," or perhaps an "Armed Rebellion!" The insurance industry causes a great deal of financial "pain and suffering" in this country. You push society to the brink...and guess what you get? Remember Adolf Hitler and people like him?