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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:00 PM
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Please sign the petition to ban infant circumcision
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 11:28 PM by Devil_Fish
Ritual infant circumcision is still practiced in the world today, mostly in the USA and parts of Africa. Most countries do not practice it as a matter of policy, such as Europe, Latin American countries and Asia. In the USA, Female Genital Mutilation has been outlawed, but Male Genital Mutilation (aka circumcision) is still being done. The rates are dropping however as more and more people find out the truth about it, which is it's an unnecessary procedure that does NOT prevent STD's or other infections. Anesthesia is rarely used, and when it is used, it is most ineffective. Please support a ban on male infant circumcision. It's a basic human right to choose...HIS right! It's banned for baby girls, so why not baby boys?

Full article at link: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ban-male-circumcision

(Snip) (what irony)

I was circumcised as an infant. I do not wish to get into a discussion about the health benefits, hygiene, look, feel or any of that. I'm sure people will chime in saying "I'm glad I was circumcised, it's doesn't bother me, etc." Good, I'm glad that your happy. There are arguments for, www.circinfo.net and against www.nocirc.org and more then I care to remember but I'm sure people will post them in this thread. What is missing in the arguments for, is a discussion of human rights.

What I wish to discuss in this topic is the issue of human rights. The biggest thing that bothers me is that the choice was made not by me, but by a doctor not even related to me. I have read a lot of stories of originally intact men getting circumcisions in their 20's and 30's for issues such as hygiene, sexual pleasure, aesthetics, medical reasons and others. Good for them. I read a story about an intact man getting a half circ. because of a zipper snag, not liking it, going back and getting a full circ and liking it much better. Good for him. I read a story about a man who got a circumcision in his late teens due to medical reasons and did not feel deprived in any way. Good for him.

I was deprived when I was one day old of that choice. I got a full circ, and that's it for me. I did not get to grow up and decide that I want to keep my genitals intact, or that I want a half circ., or full circ., or anything in between. I did not get to choose, and that is what this is about. Circumcision is not reversible. It is painfully and un-necessary for most if not all infants.

I am expecting a baby. I do not yet know the sex of the baby, but I will respect the rights of this baby to choose what the genitalia looks, and feels like regardless of sex. I will educate my child about the human anatomy, and I will have an open relationship with my child where if there is a problem with the genitalia, they will be able to talk to me or mommy with out embarrassment. this will be more then what I got.

I feel that every child should have this right weather they are male or female. if you feel the same, please sign the petition. My apologies in advanced to any one I offended regarding this topic.

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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:03 PM
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1. this is a tilting at windmills
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:05 PM
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3. I have to say that I am someone whose opinion of routine circumcision has changed because of this
type of discussion and information. Framing it as a choice issue made it very clear to me. Change comes, sometimes slowly.
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:13 PM
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9. From wiki:
Tilting at windmills is an English idiom which means attacking imaginary enemies, or fighting otherwise-unwinnable battles. The word “tilt,” here, comes from jousting.

This idiomatic phrase originated in the novel Don Quixote, and is often used today in reference to persistent engagement in a futile activity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills

perhaps so if every one shares that attitude. fortunately, We live in a country where people think analytically.

Those who say it can not be done should not obstruct the path of those doing it.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:04 PM
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2. Circumcision is still a big thing with the Jewish rituals.
My son will be circumsized when he's 8 days old per the Jewish law.

Hawkeye-X
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:08 PM
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7. And many Jews are finding ways to mark the eighth day without circumcision, as well.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:21 PM
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:24 PM
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16. This topic is not about Palestine, or Jews. your in the wrong forum. NT
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 01:37 AM
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19. Fuck off and die, Nazi filth.
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Sebass1271 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:10 PM
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8. why they have to wait until that old? I am sure they would find it
painful. I believe it should be done when they are infants, to get it over with early...
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:22 PM
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13. there is greater then a 90% chance that they will never have to do it at all. NT
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:22 PM
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14. Why is circumcision still a big thing with the Jewish rituals?
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Sebass1271 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:07 PM
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4.  God!!!!.. form your own website..
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 11:11 PM by Sebass1271
now we have to deal with this?? my entire male family is circumsized.. and they are happy wiht it.. it happend when they were little.. so, move on..
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:26 PM
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17. I'm glad you and your family are happy. NT
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:07 PM
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5. I think it's up to the parents to decide
I chose not to circumcise my children.

My parents chose not to circumcise me.

My youngest boy ended up needing circumcision for medical reasons at age 16.

It was his call and he made it.

It was painful.

I didn't need it, and neither did my oldest boy.

That's fine too.

I'd rather work on educating parents so that the make the right decision, than to take the choice away from them.

If we believe in a woman's right to choose, then certainly we should support the parent's right to choose as well.


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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:36 PM
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18. I respectfully disagree.
What about respecting the child's right to choose? I think the choice should belong to the person who's body parts are in question regardless of age. This is un-necessary surgery. I do not wish to argue, Being an expectant father I have nether time nor energy to argue. You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Good day.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:08 PM
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6. Mend your own damn religion.
Keep your bloody paws off mine.
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:19 PM
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10. not a religious issue. Human Rights. NT
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:21 PM
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12. Done, thanks for the heads up. (sorry for the unitentional bad pun)
http://www.veoh.com/videos/e176471PJGJ6FGQ">Video of an infant circumcision which will piss off many DUers since it shows just how fucked this backwards barbaric ritual is. The decision should be made by the person who is attached to the genitalia.
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:23 PM
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15. Thank you for the sig, and the video. NT
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