Scientists call for end to obsolete/dangerous practice- water fluoridation

[philb]

EPA unions call for moratorium on fluoride in drinking water
By MATTHEW DALY Associated Press Writer, Thursday, September 1, 2005
US Environmental Protection Agency reveals that tens of millions of Americans may be at risk from fluoridated drinking water
WASHINGTON (AP) — Eleven unions representing more than 7,000 workers at the Environmental Protection Agency are calling for a national moratorium on programs to add fluoride to drinking water, citing what they call a possible cancer risk and adverse health effects http://www.fluoridealert.org/hp-epa.htm http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050901/NEWS0103/109010031 http://home.att.net/~gtigerclaw/EPAresponse.html http://www.nofluoride.com/

ELECTION 2005: 5 More US Communities Reject Fluoridation
Over 70 U.S. communities have rejected fluoridation since 1999
http://www.fluoridealert.org/communities.htm

Water Fluoridation "Obsolete" According to Nobel Prize Scientist Nations who still practice it "should feel ashamed of themselves"
Dr. Avid Carlsson, Pharmacologist, Nobel Laureat in Medicine/Physiology
http://www.fluoridealert.org/carlsson-interview.html

Fluoride water 'causes cancer'
Boys at risk from bone tumours, research by Harvard School of Dental Research reveals

Bob Woffinden Sunday June 12, 2005 The Observer
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1504672,00.html

Dentists Demand End to ‘Cancer Risk’ Fluoride in Water

By Treacy Hogan Environment Correspondent Irish Independent Tuesday 14 June 2005
http://www.fluoridealert.org/news/2288.html
Most European countries have rejected or ceased use of fluoride in water
http://www.fluoridealert.org/govt-statements.htm

The fluoride chemical added to water is an unprocessed, industrial waste-product from the pollution scrubbers of the phosphate fertilizer industry. It contains toxic metals such as arsenic, cadmium, mercury, and lead that are known to be carcinogenic and neurotoxic.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/phosphate/overview.htm
http://www.earthisland.org/eijournal/fluoride/fluoride_phosphates.html

Fluoride is extremely toxic and causes adverse health effects
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/index.html

Fluoride commonly causes tooth problems and brittle teeth and bones
http://www.fluoridealert.org/dental-fluorosis.htm

US Government Agencies Say Fluoride in Drinking Water Increases Toxicity of Aluminum
http://www.mercola.com/2001/may/16/fluoride.htm

[MercutioATC]

1. Just look at the warning on a tube of toothpaste sometime...

...it says "Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If more than used for brushing is accidentally swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away."

[SeveneightyWhoa]

6. And..?

Wouldn't you think that water has much less fluoride than a mouthful of toothpaste?

[rzemanfl]

2. As Colonel Jack D. Ripper said in Dr. Strangelove:

"I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration , Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids... "

This is going to be a hard sell for most people given the history of flouridated water.

[ThoughtCriminal]

3. The "Politics" of this one seems to have changed

Since I last looked seriously at it many years ago. The Anti-fluoridation movements from the 1950's to late 1970's really did seem to be the domain of right-wing conspiracy nuts and frankly some easily discredited quacks.

Now, I'm not so sure without doing much more research. Paul Connett does remind me of the late Dr. Yiamouyiannis, the anti-fluoridation crusader who unsuccessfully tried to sue Consumer's Union for libel.

http://www.salon.com/health/feature/2000/11/06/fluoride/
http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2005/06/experts-condemn-anti-fluoride-claims.html
http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/fluoride.html
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/yiamouyiannis.html

I think it's worth another look, but I wouldn't jump on this wagon.

[rzemanfl]

4. The "dentists demand" in the OP concerns me a bit. I'm 58

have most of my teeth and my "precious bodily fluids" seem okay too.

[philb]

8. Thats also true in the countries that don't fluoridate water

there are more effective and less toxic ways to prevent/retard cavities

but I don't think you can find any credible evidence that water fluoridation prevents cavities;
but there clearly is a lot of evidence it causes health harm

[rzemanfl]

14. Well, if flouride has no credible evidence behind it, they sure as

hell fooled millions of teeth in the 50's and 60's.

[RC]

5. All I can reply to this is

Bullshit. This thread is a waste of good bandwidth. Where did you find this monster, under your bed or in the closet?

[philb]

9. this represents the consensus of most scientists

do you have evidence to the contrary

do you know of any Board certified neurologist who disagrees with the one I quoted. or for that matter any chemist?
I doubt you will find one. If you do, I'd be very interested in what he says.

I have personal research and regulatory background with this issue over many years.
Its a matter of record that the supply going into water is extremely toxic waste from the
phosphate industry that contains toxic and radioactive elements that are causing widespread harm to the public.
The whole thing has been a huge flimflam boondoggle from the start.

[Gman]

7. This is a BIG right wing issue

When they're getting the EPA to ban fluoride, the bottom of the barrel crazies have taken control. Again, this issue is not based so much on science (is it ever with the RW?) as much as it is, as the RW sees it, the government force medicating people.

[philb]

10. Its not a right wing issue; though there might be some right wingers who

support it; most of those involved that I know are environmentalists

but those quoted here are Neurologists and Scientists, researchers & mostly non-political

[philb]

11. there is real science articles here by doctors, EPA scientists, other

credible scientists with MDs, PhDs, etc. There is a huge amount of studies, books, etc. by scientists and
the majority supports not using fluoride in water; especially the toxic waste from phosphate mining that is considered
the largest source of toxic waste in Florida- yet disposed of in water supplies around the country. very strange.

Have those who are suggesting that this isn't a science issue read any of the science articles and EPA testimony to Congress?
Why would all of the EPA scientists not only say fluridation is dangerous, but also go to extremes to say so?
Its available and referenced here. The books written by several of the doctors and Chemists have a huge amount of
medical study/clinical study documenation.

Are you aware of any credible documentation that water fluoridation is either safe or effective?
Are you suggesting that the studies documenting adverse health effects are in error?
Why do you think other countries don't fluoridate water, yet have similar dental health to the U.S.?
And are Nobel Laureat scientists articles and statements in error? what evidence is there of that?

[soothsayer]

12. It makes people passive and easily manipulated, so they say.

Prozac and Paxil contain flouride, too.

[philb]

13. Fluoride based antibiotics cause major adverse effects

an example:
Fluoroquinolone antibiotics have been found to cause peripheral neuropathy(13). This study found that many cases are severe and long term, with some cases affecting many organs. Of the cases followed in this study, 70% lasted more than 3 months and 58% more than one year. Examples of fluoroquinolones causing PN are levofloxacin, ciprofloacin,afloxacin.

13. J.S. Cohen, Peripheral Neuropathy Associated with Fluoroquinolones, The Annuls of Pharmacology, 2001, Vol 35, Dec.

There have been lots of recent findings of major problems with fluoride based antibiotics recently and some are being banned and restricted. PN is not the main problem.

[Celebration]

15. Cipro!!!!!

Very nasty stuff indeed. My daughter had a terrible reaction from it years ago. It took a ton of "alternative" "woo woo" treatments to get her functioning normally again.

[philb]

16. I had the same problem; had mild case of walking pneumonia- took

flouride based antibiotic prescribed by Doctor- just to make sure it didn't get worse.
I had no problem with pneumonia but had chronic diarhea for several months. Had to see specialist
and Digestive Clinic to recover- used Culturelle pro-biotics.

[baby_bear]

17. As a toxicologist, I agree

This not the the nut case issue it was when the right wing claimed it was a communist plot.

Now, it is a serious scientific issue that needs serious examination at the federal level.

I don't see it happening, though; not any time soon.

b_b

[T Roosevelt]

18. Just saw an ad for bottled water with fluoride

and my first thought was WTF? You buy bottled water to get away from all the crap in tap water.