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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:40 PM
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Sure, it kills birds, but it won't kill you
To summarize: she doesn't think bird flu is much of a threat
to humans, and offers an argument for her position.


But Peter Palese doesn't think so. He is lab director at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York, where the technique that re-created the 1918 genes — known as reverse genetic engineering — was developed. He and associate Adolfo Garcia-Sastre contend that what the resurrected virus really shows is how supremely adapted it is — how well its parts fit together, how perfectly it works. The sublime malignance of the 1918 virus doesn't lie in one part but rather in how the genes function together. Evolution shaped this virus to be a sleek, effective killing machine.

We don't know what bird the genes came from originally. It wasn't a domestic duck, chicken or goose, because their flu strains are quite different. According to Jeffery Taubenberger, the senior researcher at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, the 1918 flu originated in an unknown bird reservoir, one equally distant from American and Eurasian birds. "To me, it's from an unknown host, evolutionarily isolated from other birds," Taubenberger said last year.

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We don't know what will happen to H5N1 as it moves through Europe. It is certain, though, that the longer it lives in wild birds, the more likely it will become mild, at least for its wild-bird hosts. This is what happened to the 1918 flu after soldiers abandoned the Western Front. In just over a year, the virus lost its virulence and wandered the planet as an ordinary flu.

The lesson here is that the flu virus, like all of life, is subject to evolution. Lethal diseases don't fall out of the sky. They evolve in the context of a host and that host's conditions of life. There is no sign, so far, that H5N1 is turning into a human disease — effectively spreading from person to person. Even if it does, it needs a Western Front to become more than ordinary.

LA Times
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:47 PM
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1. If Avian Flu Evolves Into Human Flu And Intelligent Design Is Involved -
Then Jesus is Coming and "Boy,is he pissed!"
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:50 PM
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2. Your logic seems impeccable. nt
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:50 PM
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3. It's not like disease has a long history of mutating
in animals in close contact with humans and then infecting those humans. :sarcasm:

Oh wait, I'm forgetting SARS, Ebola and HIV, not to mention most of the diseases that Europeans brought with them to the western Hemisphere. :eyes:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:54 PM
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5. I don't think she is arguing with that.
It does infect and kill humans. She's talking about
the possibility of a human-to-human pandemic, and why
she thinks it's not likely. Haemorrhagic fevers, for
example, rarely get far because they kill in such a
quick and messy way, and that is because they are not
well adapted to human hosts.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:57 PM
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7. Hmmm.. thanks for that. I have a tendency to speak before I get all the
info. I can get a bit reactionary. Maybe it's time to start voting Republican. Just kidding.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:50 PM
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4. I agree. This whole thing is being hyped to the point of suspicion.
I feel that it is being "used"--to scare people into accepting more limits on their civil liberties.

Further, if it reaches pandemic stage and there is inadequate vaccine, etc. I suspect them of MIHOP.

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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:56 PM
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6. Avian flu may be hyped and Bush will use
anything to strike terror into the hearts of his loyal subjects!!!!!
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