Anyone notice how 90% of DUers who claim Clinton is homophobic are straight?

[Clintonista2]

From what I remember, most of us in the GLBT forum supported Clinton, yet the Clinton haters try to tell us how terrible he was. I was reading a thread earlier where several gay DUers had to point out to straight DUers that anti GLBT policies came thanks to a majority rethug congress. Ruggerson did a great job putting them in their place:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=7892343#7892421

[amdezurik]

1. lot's of DU'ers and Kos'ers

and on other blogs have been infected with the "CLINTONS AM EVVVVVVVVIL" BS form RW media and regurgitate the talking points without thought

[meegbear]

3. And the Huffington Post ...

I used to love that site, but after the non-stop Hillary bashing (I DO like to get both sides without one side getting constantly attacked), I go there with minimal expectations.

[amdezurik]

4. Yeah, why i stopped listening to Randy Rhodes to

long before the "WHORE" shrieking she did, just strident and everything in the last 2,000 years was Hillary's fault.

[TriMetFan]

2. I see it this way....

People that hate President Clinton here in DU land are no better then Repukes that hate him.

[Maat]

5. Well, as many DUers know, I've consistently stood in solidarity with the GLBT community.

I'm going to a march for equality today. I've march the last two weekends, donated, and done anything that I could think of or been asked to do.

That having been said, I'm no great fan of the Clintons. I don't hate them; I just feel that a big part of President Clinton's policies were misguided. I have his so-called "welfare reform" in mind. I'm a retired social worker, and, when I was active, his "reforms" were implemented, and they were devastating and unrealistic. They showed a complete lack of understanding of the people with which we were dealing, and the very traumatic environment in which many had grown up and been socialized. Because the child care provisions were inadequate, and there were no additional resources with which to help a family stabilize so that a mom with a number of children could go back to work, it resulted in pure harassment of many families trying to comply (e.g. due to very judmental middle-class teachers and caretakers reporting "neglect" they pulled out of their hineys, due to their middle-class sensibilities). It started a snowball of crap. I still think that Clinton was never the progressive he was made out to be. He was much better than the Rethuglican alternative; however, the policies he went along with left much to be desired (e.g. the "repeal" of Glass-Steagall).

Of course, they are all too right for me. I believe that Obama will govern from the center-right according to MY perspective.

That's just my humble two cents' worth.

[catnhatnh]

6. Clinton is homophobic???

As a straight I have a hard enough time paddling my own canoe in terms of my attitudes towards homosexuality, without critiquing someone else's technique. Because if you are a straight of a certain age, and I turn 55 this month, then chances are if you are "gay supportive" or even neutral, you got there by overcoming prejudices that were openly taught in your youth. And even if you ARE supportive those old voices whispered into your young ears STILL come back with unflattering echoes of the past. I am not gay and can never reach full empathy. I can only hope that rather than a question of black and white, the more important thing is to support a community I was raised to dislike and distrust all the while ignoring the black mutterings of a superego I neither created nor can obliterate. I can never "walk a mile in your shoes" so instead I support you as a matter of both human and civil rights. I have not the right to judge you, I cannot judge Clinton, and have a hard enough time judging myself...

[mitchtv]

7. Well,Lirwin, we poor little gays need

someone to tell us how to ,think. we're too ezcitable to know better.

[mondo joe]

8. Well, if you go back to the primary, gays on DU were treated incredibly

badly because a lot of us supported Hillary, but had problems with Obama.

We were very consustently told we didn't know our own issues.

And I'm just going to add that though I supported Hillary, and had/have problems with Obama, I certainly voted for him and argued in favor of him (on other boards) after he won the nomination.

[dsc]

9. I got called a racist faggot to my face here

and now I get called it again for daring to state the truth that African Americans in California voted for issue 8 in droves. I must say I hope Obama follows through with his agenda. It is clear that we won't be getting a cabinet position.

[davidinalameda]

14. and Hillary would have appointed a gay person?

gee, I missed that during the primary

[dsc]

22. I don't know if she would have

since neither were asked. But I do think she is more likely to have than he.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

15. Lostinva was called a racist c*nt, a racist whore, and just plain racist for supporting Hillary

During the Donnie McClurkin thing.

Funny... all of those posters are stillon DU.

Oh wait -- my personal fav: she was also called Fred Phelps. Which made zero sense.

[Moloch]

10. Clinton was homophobic.

He made a bunch of promises to us in order to get our votes and what did he ever do to make the lives of gay people in this country better? Not a damn thing. He should have stood up to Sam Nunn but he chose to cave on gays in the military. He supported DOMA.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

11. I'm glad that the DU GLBT Voice of Reason(tm) is chiming in

:applause:

[sniffa]

12. Bam!

There it is.

[Zuiderelle]

16. Oh for fuck's sake. Clinton was no more homophobic than Obama.

The case could be made in your mind for either. Obama doesn't "believe in gay marriage" and says that "marriage is between a man and a woman" and that it should be left to the states to decide.

How is that any less "homophobic" than Clinton being pressured into signing shit he didn't agree with?

But, then...


You're a homophobic asshole yourself

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

17. I have two things to say to you, okay?

1. Hillary is the only Dem candidate to march in Pride parades, and was an early champion of AIDS/HIV patients when she was First Lady of Arkansas -- at a time when even most officilas in NYC and SF turned a not blind eye.

2. YOU FUCKING ROCK!!!!!!

[MNBrewer]

21. or EQUALLY

[mitchtv]

19. hahahahahahaha

now ther's a voice we can trust

[dsc]

23. Crack open these things called history books

Congress, and only Congress, could permit gays to serve openly since sodomy was against the Code of Military Justice. Once Congress, led by Nunn but joined by many, rebelled Clinton had two choices. One no change at all or two don't ask don't tell which would end the witch hunts. He chose two. These aren't my opinions, they are unalterable facts.

[cboy4]

26. No, he was not and is not homophobic.

Give me a break.

[davidinalameda]

13. she wasn't homophobic

she just wasn't as good on GLBT issues such as DOMA as Obama

[mitchtv]

18. We;ll see

T will give him ample time, but not four years; if we don't see significant progress, I will drop him like a 3am trick

[Amimnoch]

20. That's pretty much how I feel right now.

We have the presidency.
We have a strong majority in both houses of Congress.

This year, like every 2 years for the last 18 years, i've poured my money.. as much as i can possibly afford.. my time at phone banks, walks, events and gatherings.. into this party. This time there is no friggin excuse. They have the power and the ability now. Either I get equal rights or it will be a cold day in hell before I donate another cent or minute for the party excepting any candidate that openly and unabashedly supports us (like DK)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

24. We'll have to agree to disagree == I see her as MUCH more gay=friendly than Obama or Biden

[cboy4]

25. All I know is I'm on a lot of ignore lists for my aggressive and

unapologetic defense of Hillary during the primaries.

And her post-primary speeches alone show I was right in sticking up for her.

[Jamastiene]

27. I like the Clintons. I'll just have to agree to disagree with anyone who hates the Clintons.

They are not perfect, by any means, but Bill Clinton was the first one to ever even try to lift the ban in the military and try to get federal hate crimes protection for us. Granted, DADT was a disaster, he had to work with what he had, which at the time was lemons. He did at least try in a time when it wasn't the politically popular thing to do, as we learned.

I know they tried and that's something worth remembering and thanking them for, to me. Look what they were up against. We know better than anyone what its like to try to get rights in the face of assholes who hate us. What the Clintons faced when they tried to help us were the same exact assholes. We know they are out there and we know what they are like.

The Clintons certainly don't hate us and they are not homophobic. They tried, but failed. I'd rather commend them for trying, but failing than not give them any credit at all.

Don't get me wrong. If someone has a legitimate criticism, and there are legitimate criticisms about the Clintons (they are not perfect), I don't see that as the same thing as hatred. Criticism, I understand, but outright hate and some of the sexist crap people said about Hillary during the primaries played a big part in the reason I left DU for a few months.

I can see someone having a criticism and stating that criticism about the Clintons' policies, but spewing misogynistic hate is uncalled for and supposedly against DU rules. Come on! They said they hated her because she reminded them of their mothers! I was like :wtf: kind of people are taking over DU? It was fucking ridiculous.

I guess I'll just always love the Clintons and those who don't like them will always not like them. Nothing is changing my mind any more than I can change other people's minds about that. I'll just have to agree to disagree with anyone who hates the Clintons.